Anglicans: What are your beliefs about the Blessed Virgin Mary?

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I have encountered some sharp disagreements among Anglicans regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary.

So, Anglicans: What are your beliefs about the Blessed Virgin Mary?

Please feel free to pick and choose one or more issues from this list or add some of your own for discussion:

**Mary as Theotokos or Mother of God‎
**
Definitely. This is a central pillar of Christological orthodoxy.
Perpetual Virginity
As an Anglican I do not see myself as required to believe this as a matter of faith. I do have some questions about it, but I also hesitate to reject it given the antiquity and universality of the belief. I think it quite likely that there is something I’m not getting here, as a 21st-century Westerner. If nothing else, I’m fascinated by the way this doctrine led to the development of a concept of marriage based on consent (thus given women rights they would perhaps not otherwise have had).

** Assumption
**

Same as above but with less at stake on either side. I can’t think of any serious theological objections to it (I suppose one could argue that it compromises the idea that the bodily resurrection hasn’t happened yet–but besides the obvious fact that we believe Jesus has His body at present, there’s Enoch and Elijah. . . . ). But it also doesn’t have quite as much antiquity and universality of tradition behind it. I certainly acknowledge the Dormition as a major feast day of the Church, however.
**
Immaculate Conception
**
Much more dubious about this one. Not a deal-breaker–in other words, not a serious reason for rejecting Catholicism on its own–but not something I would be inclined to embrace without the authority of the Church compelling me (which it presently does not, as I understand and experience the Church). I’m somewhat inclined to say that this is either correct or erroneous depending on how we understand original sin. I certainly believe that Mary was “entirely sanctified” in her mother’s womb, though I might put even this under the category of pious tradition rather than dogma.

** Mediatrix/QUOTE]

**Depends on what you mean by it, but it’s not a title I see any particular reason to use. I accept that Mary intercedes for us, as we intercede for each other–and obviously I accept that her faith and obedience were (in divine providence) instrumental causes of all the grace we receive. If the title means these two things, I have no problem with it.

**** Co-Redemptrix

Same as above, essentially.****

Her Place within the Communion of Saints
I like the “neck” metaphor.
** Requests for Her Intercession**
Definitely legitimate. Not something I would insist on as a matter of dogma, but I think Christians who rule out the possibility are missing out on some of the rich nuances of the communion of saints.
** Veneration**
Same as above. I believe in theosis. That means that when we venerate saints–not as objects of worship in themselves but as people who have been divinized by grace–we are not committing idolatry, because we are honoring the transforming grace of God. This applies to venerating physical representations of them as well (in other words, I accept II Nicea).
** Other Beliefs/Doctrines**
The only real problem I have with Marian piety (well, not counting forms of folk piety that the Catholic hierarchy would itself clearly disapprove of) is the tendency for some pious Catholics to speak as if Mary could somehow understand our weaknesses better than Jesus can, because she’s “just human” and He is divine and our judge. I think that’s a serious distortion of the doctrine of the Incarnation. But so is the idea that because Jesus is our mediator therefore Mary was “just a vessel” and doesn’t matter. That misses something very important about the orthodox Christian doctrine of salvation–it’s about transformation and divinization.

Edwin
 
Does that statement encompass the Anglican Church in general? I would assume the Blessed Virgin is part of all the Eucharistic Liturgys just as in the EO?

If someone has a copy I would like to see it.
Almost no statement about Anglicanism encompasses the entire Anglican Church. 😉

I don’t remember the invocation of the Theotokos during the liturgy - outside of Christmas, but it has been a while since I’ve been to an Anglican service.
 
With all the affirmations I’m seeing here from Anglicans, does that mean you are personally involved with Marian devotions/piety? Do you pray the Hail Mary, the Rosary, or other forms of devotion? I have a friend who’s a newly ordained Anglican priest but he seems to steer clear of all things Marian.
 
With all the affirmations I’m seeing here from Anglicans, does that mean you are personally involved with Marian devotions/piety? Do you pray the Hail Mary, the Rosary, or other forms of devotion? I have a friend who’s a newly ordained Anglican priest but he seems to steer clear of all things Marian.
My parish has a Mary Shrine, as Our Lady of Walsingham. The recently deceased rector included a sung Angelus at each Sung Mass on Sunday. His successor moved that to a spoken Angelus at the Wed. night Mass.

Rosary is recited individually by some parishioners.

GKC
 
Almost no statement about Anglicanism encompasses the entire Anglican Church. 😉

I don’t remember the invocation of the Theotokos during the liturgy - outside of Christmas, but it has been a while since I’ve been to an Anglican service.
It is common, in my parish, to mention the Blessed Mary, Ever-Virgin Mother of God, in the Intentions of the Mass. And in appropriate seasonal Proper Prefaces, as at Christmas.

Mileage may differ.

GKC
 
I would have to say I believe these for sure:

Mary as Theotokos or Mother of God‎
Perpetual Virginity
Her Place within the Communion of Saints
Requests for Her Intercession
Sean,
I see you found me on two forums. I post on three and have the same username and icon on all. So, I’m easy to spot.

Thanks for contributing to this thread.

Peace,
 
With all the affirmations I’m seeing here from Anglicans, does that mean you are personally involved with Marian devotions/piety? Do you pray the Hail Mary, the Rosary, or other forms of devotion? I have a friend who’s a newly ordained Anglican priest but he seems to steer clear of all things Marian.
And our Episcopal/Anglican Rector encourages us to ask for her intercession. Though I have gone back and forth on this issue.

Peace,
 
Sean,
I see you found me on two forums. I post on three and have the same username and icon on all. So, I’m easy to spot.

Thanks for contributing to this thread.

Peace,
No problem! Yes, I saw your posts on the Anglican forum and I thought your user name and icon looked familar. I post here, on the Anglican Forum, and on STR subforum on Christian Forums. I use to post on other forums, but i’m limiting it to these three for now.
 
My diocese has a large number of parishes of high church persuasion. Our cathedral church is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary and has a Marian shrine with votive candles.

Many churches in England have a Lady Chapel dedicated to the BVM as does my own parish church. We have 2 statues of of the BVM, one in the Lady Chapel and another in a niche in the nave. Above the high altar we have a painted Pieta. There is also stained glass and a tapestry depicting the Blessed Mother. We sing Marian hymns on appropriate days. Our parish has a quiet, understated devotion to Mary.

Some churches will sing a Marian anthem after Mass or Office. A previous rector at my parish used to ring the evening Angelus bell.

If memory serves me right, we celebrate 5 Marian feast days according to the Common Worship calender, perhaps slightly more than the Book of Common Prayer. In the Eucharistic liturgy of Common Worship, the Blessed Virgin can be invoked within some of the Eucharistic prayers: eg…

*Bring us at the last with the Blessed Ever-Virgin Mary, St Peter and all the saints to the vision of that eternal splendour for which you have created; through Jesus Christ our Lord, by whom, with whom, and in whom…*etc.

At evensong we sing the Magnificat which is an evening canticle in both the Book of Common Prayer and Common Worship. There will of course be seasonal material relating to Mary.

On a personal level, I pray the Hail Mary, Angelus/Regina Caeli and Salve Regina.

I rather like the words of Mark Frank, one of the 17th century Anglican Divines (from a sermon on the Annunciation):

Give we her in God’s name the honour due to her. God hath styled her
‘blessed’ by the Angel, by Elizabeth; commanded all generations to call her
so, and they hitherto have done it, and let us do it too. Indeed, some of late
have overdone it; yet let us not therefore underdo it, but do it as we hear
the Angel and the first Christians did it; account of her and speak of her as
the most blessed among women, one ‘highly favoured,’ most ‘ highly’ too.
But all the while give Dominus tecum all the glory, the whole glory of all to
Him; give her the honour and blessedness of the chief of the saints, him
only the glory that she is so, and that by her conceiving and bringing our
Saviour into the world we are made heirs, and shall one day be partakers
of the blessedness she enjoys, when the Lord shall be with us too, and we
need no angel at all to tell us so.
 
No problem! Yes, I saw your posts on the Anglican forum and I thought your user name and icon looked familar. I post here, on the Anglican Forum, and on STR subforum on Christian Forums. I use to post on other forums, but i’m limiting it to these three for now.
Well, we are on the same 3 forums. 😃
 
My diocese has a large number of parishes of high church persuasion. Our cathedral church is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary and has a Marian shrine with votive candles.

Many churches in England have a Lady Chapel dedicated to the BVM as does my own parish church. We have 2 statues of of the BVM, one in the Lady Chapel and another in a niche in the nave. Above the high altar we have a painted Pieta. There is also stained glass and a tapestry depicting the Blessed Mother. We sing Marian hymns on appropriate days. Our parish has a quiet, understated devotion to Mary.

Some churches will sing a Marian anthem after Mass or Office. A previous rector at my parish used to ring the evening Angelus bell.

If memory serves me right, we celebrate 5 Marian feast days according to the Common Worship calender, perhaps slightly more than the Book of Common Prayer. In the Eucharistic liturgy of Common Worship, the Blessed Virgin can be invoked within some of the Eucharistic prayers: eg…

*Bring us at the last with the Blessed Ever-Virgin Mary, St Peter and all the saints to the vision of that eternal splendour for which you have created; through Jesus Christ our Lord, by whom, with whom, and in whom…*etc.

At evensong we sing the Magnificat which is an evening canticle in both the Book of Common Prayer and Common Worship. There will of course be seasonal material relating to Mary.

On a personal level, I pray the Hail Mary, Angelus/Regina Caeli and Salve Regina.

I rather like the words of Mark Frank, one of the 17th century Anglican Divines (from a sermon on the Annunciation):

Give we her in God’s name the honour due to her. God hath styled her
‘blessed’ by the Angel, by Elizabeth; commanded all generations to call her
so, and they hitherto have done it, and let us do it too. Indeed, some of late
have overdone it; yet let us not therefore underdo it, but do it as we hear
the Angel and the first Christians did it; account of her and speak of her as
the most blessed among women, one ‘highly favoured,’ most ‘ highly’ too.
But all the while give Dominus tecum all the glory, the whole glory of all to
Him; give her the honour and blessedness of the chief of the saints, him
only the glory that she is so, and that by her conceiving and bringing our
Saviour into the world we are made heirs, and shall one day be partakers
of the blessedness she enjoys, when the Lord shall be with us too, and we
need no angel at all to tell us so.
So, may I ask does all this stuff you explain and all these prayers about Mary and reverence bring you closer to Christ or detract from Christ?
 
So, may I ask does all this stuff you explain and all these prayers about Mary and reverence bring you closer to Christ or detract from Christ?
For me, closer.

As Frank, the Caroline Divine points out, it can be overdone.
 
Does that statement encompass the Anglican Church in general? I would assume the Blessed Virgin is part of all the Eucharistic Liturgys just as in the EO?

If someone has a copy I would like to see it.
This is the link to the 1979 Book of Common Prayer: bookofcommonprayer.net/index.php

Mary in The Holy Eucharist: Rite Two:

The Nicene Creed . . . .“For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. . . .”

“. . . .We give thanks to you, O God, for the goodness and love which you have made known to us in creation; in the calling of Israel to be your people; in your Word spoken through the prophets; and above all in the Word made flesh, Jesus, your Son. For in these last days you sent him to be incarnate from the Virgin Mary, to be the Savior and Redeemer of the world. In him, you have delivered us from evil, and made us worthy to stand before you. In him, you have brought us out of error into truth, out of sin into righteousness, out of death into life. . . .”

“. . . .Father, you loved the world so much that in the fullness of time you sent your only Son to be our Savior. Incarnate by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, he lived as one of us, yet without sin. To the poor he proclaimed the good news of salvation; to prisoners, freedom; to the sorrowful, joy. To fulfill your purpose he gave himself up to death; and, rising from the grave, destroyed death, and made the whole creation new. . . .”

". . . .And grant that we may find our inheritance with [the **Blessed Virgin Mary, with patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, (with _______) and] all the saints whe have found favor with you in ages past. We praise you in union with them and give you glory through your Son Jesus Christ our Lord. . . . "
Link: bookofcommonprayer.net/eucharistII.php
 
Thanks Anna, 🙂
Gary,

You are most welcome. 🙂

I will add that our Rector has been know to work in the “Hail Mary,” at the Feast of St. Mary the Virgin, for example.

The Blessed Virgin Mary is one of the 4 icons in our Nave, along with Kyrie Pantocrator (Christ as the Lord and Creator of Heaven and Earth,) St. John the Baptist, and our Patron, St. Dunstan of Canterbury.

Anna
 
Mary is the Lord’s gift to the universal Church and she is the one, along with St. Joseph…who deserves more recognition…who make us more as family.
 
Mary is the Lord’s gift to the universal Church and she is the one, along with St. Joseph…who deserves more recognition…who make us more as family.
Kathleen,
As always, I appreciate your comments. 🙂

Peace and blessings,
 
I have encountered some sharp disagreements among Anglicans regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary.

So, Anglicans: What are your beliefs about the Blessed Virgin Mary?

Please feel free to pick and choose one or more issues from this list or add some of your own for discussion:

Mary as Theotokos or Mother of God‎-----yes
Perpetual Virginity-----yes
Assumption-----yes
Immaculate Conception-------yes (just recently came across a good argument for it)
Mediatrix-------yes
Co-Redemptrix------not officially-because it’s not dogma (I agree she cooperated)
Her Place within the Communion of Saints-----yes
Requests for Her Intercession----yes
Veneration-----yes
Other Beliefs/Doctrines


I look forward to your responses.

Peace and blessings,
Anna
My husband on the other hand…yes, no, no, NO!!, NO!!, NO!!!, no, no, no. (I want to convert to Catholicism-can you tell?-but it’s hard with a HARDCORE Anti-Catholic as you spouse.

edited to add my responses are above next Marian Doctrines
 
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