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Mandy31
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Dear deborhaz,
Thank you for the swift reply. But I can’t get rid of my feelings very easily.
Mandy31
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Dear deborhaz,
Thank you for the swift reply. But I can’t get rid of my feelings very easily.
Mandy31
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Cinette
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Mandy I think you worry too much. Episcopalians are Christians and she sounds like a committed Christian.
I think you are in her face too much and that is the obstacle.
I have 4 children and no. 3 is the only practicing Christian. My youngest was never baptised and she has a 4th child on the way. I have baptised my grandchildren secretly. I pray and pray and pray and I KNOW that my prayers will be answered one day.
So, if you think you have a problem think of me!! I am full of guilt.
You can’t pray and worry because that means you don’t trust God.
Just love J and be her friend and maybe you can attend a service or two at her Church. That might get her to the CC. Go a couple of times to her church and then see if she will come with you to your Church at the Easter Vigil
Whatever you do never bring up the subject again. Do you watch EWTN? You should. She might like some of the programs too
God love you
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gurneyhalleck1
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My advice as a brother in Christ is to put down the Catechism and try reading some Ratzinger. Specifically Jesus of Nazareth. It’s important to see that despite how easily we fall into the trap of arguing about rules and regulations and doctrines and scapulars, that the focus of everything we do is the person of Jesus.
Chris, I must thank you for such a charitable, thoughtful, and intelligent reply. I agree with many points you make. And I do not think Catholics “check out their brains at the door.” If I felt that way, I wouldn’t have returned to the RCC from Anglicanism.
The only thing I would say is to be careful comparing Benedict XVI with Rowan Williams. You could speak to MILLIONS of Anglicans who would hear what you said and say, “uh-hem, Rowan doesn’t speak for me!” I know my diocese here, that broke off from the Episcopal Church and is aligned with a south american conservative archbishop, would NEVER read or take seriously anything that idiots like schiori or williams have to say. One cannot equate the Archbishop of Canterbury with the Pope. Anglicans don’t view them that way. Each diocese is autonomous and there are brilliant, intelligent, traditional, good people in the Anglican Communion that are not loyal to spong, schiori, or these other fruitcakes! That is why re-alignment is going on.
And no, I could NOT live in heaven without my labradoodlepoodle! I love my two cats and dog! Well, the calico is kind of a moron and not very nice but my black and white cat and my dog have to be there with me! End of story! lol
I don’t think that I feel that I am trying to ‘do my own thing’ and not follow God’s will. I’m not trying to be disobedient but rather, if I don’t agree with Rome, seriously, don’t agree, then it is a matter of conscience, not outright defiance. I’m not totally sold on infallibility but I understand the concept and theology behind it.
Again, thanks for such a great reply!
Chris, I must thank you for such a charitable, thoughtful, and intelligent reply. I agree with many points you make. And I do not think Catholics “check out their brains at the door.” If I felt that way, I wouldn’t have returned to the RCC from Anglicanism.
The only thing I would say is to be careful comparing Benedict XVI with Rowan Williams. You could speak to MILLIONS of Anglicans who would hear what you said and say, “uh-hem, Rowan doesn’t speak for me!” I know my diocese here, that broke off from the Episcopal Church and is aligned with a south american conservative archbishop, would NEVER read or take seriously anything that idiots like schiori or williams have to say. One cannot equate the Archbishop of Canterbury with the Pope. Anglicans don’t view them that way. Each diocese is autonomous and there are brilliant, intelligent, traditional, good people in the Anglican Communion that are not loyal to spong, schiori, or these other fruitcakes! That is why re-alignment is going on.
And no, I could NOT live in heaven without my labradoodlepoodle! I love my two cats and dog! Well, the calico is kind of a moron and not very nice but my black and white cat and my dog have to be there with me! End of story! lol
I don’t think that I feel that I am trying to ‘do my own thing’ and not follow God’s will. I’m not trying to be disobedient but rather, if I don’t agree with Rome, seriously, don’t agree, then it is a matter of conscience, not outright defiance. I’m not totally sold on infallibility but I understand the concept and theology behind it.
Again, thanks for such a great reply!
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anon52328184
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Chris, I must thank you for such a charitable, thoughtful, and intelligent reply. I agree with many points you make. And I do not think Catholics “check out their brains at the door.” If I felt that way, I wouldn’t have returned to the RCC from Anglicanism.
The only thing I would say is to be careful comparing Benedict XVI with Rowan Williams. You could speak to MILLIONS of Anglicans who would hear what you said and say, “uh-hem, Rowan doesn’t speak for me!” I know my diocese here, that broke off from the Episcopal Church and is aligned with a south american conservative archbishop, would NEVER read or take seriously anything that idiots like schiori or williams have to say. One cannot equate the Archbishop of Canterbury with the Pope. Anglicans don’t view them that way. Each diocese is autonomous and there are brilliant, intelligent, traditional, good people in the Anglican Communion that are not loyal to spong, schiori, or these other fruitcakes! That is why re-alignment is going on.
And no, I could NOT live in heaven without my labradoodlepoodle! I love my two cats and dog! Well, the calico is kind of a moron and not very nice but my black and white cat and my dog have to be there with me! End of story! lol
I don’t think that I feel that I am trying to ‘do my own thing’ and not follow God’s will. I’m not trying to be disobedient but rather, if I don’t agree with Rome, seriously, don’t agree, then it is a matter of conscience, not outright defiance. I’m not totally sold on infallibility but I understand the concept and theology behind it.
Again, thanks for such a great reply!
i am a new Catholic of a little over a month converting from anglicanism. so far i don’t miss anything. i can definitely say that you should not compare the Pope to Archbishop Rowan Williams. he is a part of the current problem in the anglican communion because he is a weak leader. i left for many reasons. anyhow, i was at a Bible study at a Catholic church once and asked the priest if animals would be in heaven. he said that if a man and a dog were drowning in a lake and you saved the dog, you saved the wrong one. animals cannot comprehend salvation therefore, they will not be in heaven because they cannot make the choice to be saved. i know that all the pets i have owned have had souls though. so i guess i disagree with what the priest was teaching. at that time i was not Catholic. in fact, i stopped my journey for 8 years. after being in the episcopal church/anglican communion for 5 years, i found my way back to the catholic church.
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anon52328184
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okay, i did not mean for those to run together. that will definitely confuse people. sorry about that.
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Cinette
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I believe that we should all pray for the Anglican Church. The people must feel terrible without any authority they can really trust. There are some wonderful clergy in the Anglican Church and they too must have a heavy heart. Unity is so essential.
I really cannot see how the clergy can come home to Rome just like that, They can’t leave their Church in the hands of SSA, whacky, goofy “clergy”
So I think we should pray, pray and pray for the Anglican Church.
:tsktsk:
PS I am not against people of same sex attraction (SSA) just those loud, vulgar, practicing homos who have created a sub-culture. Some of the greatest spiritual mentors were of SSA. As long as they are celebate.
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anon52328184
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yes, we definitely need to keep the anglican church in our prayers.
i didn’t realize how much the episcopal church had strayed away from the scripture because i didn’t go to church for 30 years. i left the church when i went off to college.
i wasn’t sure what you meant by SSA. that is the first time i have seen that meaning same sex attraction. i know that the priest at my old church said that they were welcome to the church as long as they were celibate.
i didn’t know any though. so i never got to hear their story. if there were any at our church, they definitely were not loud or vulgar.
there are so many different types of anglicans now that i get really confused.
there are the new age anglicans, the middle of the road anglicans and then there are the orthodox anglicans. i am not sure what the future holds, but
i pray for the people i left behind in the anglican communion. they definitely didn’t want to follow me to the RCC.
i didn’t realize how much the episcopal church had strayed away from the scripture because i didn’t go to church for 30 years. i left the church when i went off to college.
i wasn’t sure what you meant by SSA. that is the first time i have seen that meaning same sex attraction. i know that the priest at my old church said that they were welcome to the church as long as they were celibate.
i didn’t know any though. so i never got to hear their story. if there were any at our church, they definitely were not loud or vulgar.
there are so many different types of anglicans now that i get really confused.
there are the new age anglicans, the middle of the road anglicans and then there are the orthodox anglicans. i am not sure what the future holds, but
i pray for the people i left behind in the anglican communion. they definitely didn’t want to follow me to the RCC.
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Cinette
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Deborah have you ever watched EWTN? If not then you should. I assume you are in the UK and I do believe it is available free. Here in South Africa we purchased a modem and dish and it didn’t cost much and you pay once and then of course you are invited to make a contribution if you can.
You will see the faith in all its glory and there is a programme called The Journey Home by Marcus Grodi. There have been many wonderful clergy on that programme who have come to the RCC and who were so on fire for the truth. They have a genuine affection for their old Church but circumstances forced them to come to Rome. I would like to see the whole of the Anglican Church do the same but alas there is too much division and someone must stay behind to fight off the bad elements.
That is why I say we have to pray for the Anglican Church
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anon52328184
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actually, i am in the united states, not the UK. yes, we have EWTN here.
the journey home is one of my favorite shows. i try to watch it each week.
a lot of the people interviewed are ex-anglicans. they do not seem to be sorry they have left.
there are too many anglicans who want to remain protestants thought. they don’t want to have anything to do with the Pope.
that is why i am not sure what will happen to the communion.
the journey home is one of my favorite shows. i try to watch it each week.
a lot of the people interviewed are ex-anglicans. they do not seem to be sorry they have left.
there are too many anglicans who want to remain protestants thought. they don’t want to have anything to do with the Pope.
that is why i am not sure what will happen to the communion.
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Cinette
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I wonder what it is about the Pope that is so off-putting? Actually I was disappointed when Ratzinger was elected (bias and ignorance) but now I think he is AMAZING! My son, who was baptized in a non-Catholic congregation used to think the Pope was the anti-Christ etc. etc (all the things some non-Catholics expound) but already during JP II he became very respectful of the Pope and is now devouring Ratzinger! It may be a matter of time!!
I think that the reason for people not liking the Pope is because there is no compromise with truth. I was like that. I used to think the Pope was too reactionary/conservative and tht there should be a relaxing of beliefs ie artificial contraceptives, etc. I do think though that there should be an order for married priests. I understand the reason for celibacy but I think it would do no harm to have an order for married priests. Like the Maronites and other eastern rite Catholics. I do not think that women should become priests though - it is not their role. Women have a unique role to play in the family and in the Church.
I find the Catholic Church very exciting. My husband was an Athiest and Communist and later (after exposure to the RCC and 11 years of attending Mass and reading) he converted. I did not push him. In fact I am a revert and it was my prayers (not only for him) but for other things which were answered in the most amazing way that made him take a look. It was a Jewish scientist who got him going. I must say that the same attitudes which got him interested in Communism got him to the Church. What I mean is he lived under fascism and that drew him to Communism as he cared very much about social justice. Now he is a member of SVP and is extremely concerned about the poor (always was).
Isn’t it funny how each person’s journey is different?
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anon52328184
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this is a reply to Cinette. i also like Pope Ratzinger. i think he is such a wonderful, humble and learned man. i am currently reading a book called The Apostles by him. i think there will be one coming out in the fall called the Church Fathers. there is also one called Questions and Answers. i have another book that he wrote before he became Pope called Many Religions-One Covenant (Israel, the Church and the World). i haven’t read that one yet. i think when i was in the episcopal church, i thought that meant we didn’t need anyone telling us what to do and that meant we were in charge of our own faith. however, look where the anglican communion is now. i think it shows we do need a Pope to be a spiritual shepherd and the magesterium to help protect the tradition and scripture and make sure that we are following the truth of the scripture and not how one person is interpreting it. what country was your husband raised in? who was the Jewish scientiest that influenced him and what did the scientist say that made him seek out the Catholic church? i studied in a synagogue for 8 months only because i wanted to see how the people were and how their faith was and how they worshipped since Jesus was Jewish. i don’t understand why so many people see the Pope as the anti-christ? i have an ex-neighbor who was in the Catholic church until she was 50 and now she is jehovah witness. she depresses me because she never has anything good to say about the Catholic church. i was just confirmed on 7-15-08, so i am going to give it a year and see how it goes. i don’t have the faith that i used to have.
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Cinette
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this is a reply to Cinette. i also like Pope Ratzinger. i think he is such a wonderful, humble and learned man. i am currently reading a book called The Apostles by him. i think there will be one coming out in the fall called the Church Fathers. there is also one called Questions and Answers. i have another book that he wrote before he became Pope called Many Religions-One Covenant (Israel, the Church and the World). i haven’t read that one yet. i think when i was in the episcopal church, i thought that meant we didn’t need anyone telling us what to do and that meant we were in charge of our own faith. however, look where the anglican communion is now. i think it shows we do need a Pope to be a spiritual shepherd and the magesterium to help protect the tradition and scripture and make sure that we are following the truth of the scripture and not how one person is interpreting it.
what country was your husband raised in?
The ex-Portuguese Colony, Mocambique in Southern Africa
who was the Jewish scientiest that influenced him and what did the scientist say that made him seek out the Catholic church?
Gerald Schroeder’s books: first, “Genisis and the Big Bang” and then “The Hidden Face of God”. My husband attended a lecture Schroeder gave in S Africa (he lives in Israel). My husband read several other books - all to do with Science and his conclusion was that Science proves the existence of God
i don’t understand why so many people see the Pope as the anti-christ?
Have you ever read Karl Keating’s book "Catholicism and Fundamentalism? You will see how there were many people who made it a career to write books condemning Catholicism. Fundamentalists especially were, and still are, unrelenting in their determination to spread outright lies about the Church
i have an ex-neighbor who was in the Catholic church until she was 50 and now she is jehovah witness. she depresses me because she never has anything good to say about the Catholic church.
I am convinced that this comes about out of ignorance. You can be in the Church until you are 80 and still not really know it. I was away for 27 years. I came back 20 years ago and am delighted. One of the things that helped me enormously was a Life in the Spirit Seminar at a Catholic Charismatic Renewal group called “Family of God” (imagine the lady who started this group did so 36 years ago - she has 9 children and 27 grandchildren last I counted - how she found the time!) One can approach one’s Faith with a very childlike manner or one can do so from an intellectual standpoint.
i was just confirmed on 7-15-08, so i am going to give it a year and see how it goes. Welcome Home! Ouch - I shall paraphrase something that St Augustine said “You have to believe in order to understand, not understand in order to believe”.
Once my husband believed in God it was easy to embrace Catholicism. He had no problem with the teachings whatsoever
i don’t have the faith that i used to have.
I shall pray for you.
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anon52328184
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no, i have never heard of karl keating’s book Catholicism and Fundamentalism.
i did hear what john hagee said of the church recently - he called the Catholic church the great whore of Babylon. later, he came out and apologized. but by then, a lot of damage has been done.
i think a lot of people are afraid of the Pope and what they will have to profess to if they join the Catholic church. maybe that is what keeps anglicans from wanting to join.
your husband certainly has had an interesting journey. i like the quote by St. Augustine. i am glad you found your way back also. i think a lot of us leave church in our 20’s and 30’s. it is like we are out searching and experiencing life and then in our 40’s (at least for me) we want to get our spiritual life in order again. my journey took 12 years to come to the RCC. since i was out of the whole church environment for so long, i don’t know how it will go. i really enjoy the masses.
anyhow, hopefully, some day i will have a chance to read the book.
it is almost 4 in the morning here and i need to get to bed!! LOL thanks for the advice and encouragement!
i did hear what john hagee said of the church recently - he called the Catholic church the great whore of Babylon. later, he came out and apologized. but by then, a lot of damage has been done.
i think a lot of people are afraid of the Pope and what they will have to profess to if they join the Catholic church. maybe that is what keeps anglicans from wanting to join.
your husband certainly has had an interesting journey. i like the quote by St. Augustine. i am glad you found your way back also. i think a lot of us leave church in our 20’s and 30’s. it is like we are out searching and experiencing life and then in our 40’s (at least for me) we want to get our spiritual life in order again. my journey took 12 years to come to the RCC. since i was out of the whole church environment for so long, i don’t know how it will go. i really enjoy the masses.
anyhow, hopefully, some day i will have a chance to read the book.
it is almost 4 in the morning here and i need to get to bed!! LOL thanks for the advice and encouragement!
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Deo_Volente
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Grace & Peace!
I share with you your wariness re: the whole theology of the “God within.” Without the discipline of the three vows, that sort of theology can lead very easily to a religion of self-indulgence and prejudice. We see it everyday in the the extremities of fundamentalism and liberalism and in every church and Christian community. Worse, however, is when the theology leads us to believe that God is naturally in us by virtue of who we are, leading us to think that we are Divine by nature and not through the divinizing power of grace working in us in love to bring about the new creation. The God within, then, leads to self-absorption, not to greater heights of loving surrender to the God who chooses to make his temple in and among men.
(By the by, I like Pope Benedict XVI very much. I sometimes disagree with him and think I hate him for disagreeing with me, but that attitude just shows my immaturity. And while I may not be in communion with him in the way that you may be, he is the Pope, after all! I actually like him better than his predecessor, to be honest.)
Under the Mercy,
Mark
Deo Gratias!
Hi, Chris. I agree with you here, particularly in this regard–the danger is in forgetting that Christ is the Way, and coming, through that forgetfulness, to mistake myself (my whims, my tastes, my prejudices) for the way. When you mention boundaries or guidelines, I read, however, responsibility and relationship. When we walk the Way, our relationship to it, to Our Lord, requires the responsibility of honesty, humility, and love. The three vows of poverty, obedience, and chastity I think represent the most succinct articulation of what this responsibility entails–not as commands, but as attitudes to the world adopted out of charity, humility, and honesty.
I share with you your wariness re: the whole theology of the “God within.” Without the discipline of the three vows, that sort of theology can lead very easily to a religion of self-indulgence and prejudice. We see it everyday in the the extremities of fundamentalism and liberalism and in every church and Christian community. Worse, however, is when the theology leads us to believe that God is naturally in us by virtue of who we are, leading us to think that we are Divine by nature and not through the divinizing power of grace working in us in love to bring about the new creation. The God within, then, leads to self-absorption, not to greater heights of loving surrender to the God who chooses to make his temple in and among men.
Like you, I think, I don’t believe Christian mysticism and Christian discipline can be so easily teased apart. In the light of Christian mysticism, what is concrete in the Church becomes transparent, flowing, responsive to grace: “My yoke is easy, my burden is light.” In the light of Christian discipline, mysticism assumes a form conducive to grace. Even Augustine, when pressed for a definitive commandment, writes, “Love, and do what you will.” That’s not “love, then do what you want.” But “love–and if you really are loving, if love is what you are, if love is the fruit you bear, there’s no way you can go astray.” A gloss to this would be St. John of the Cross’ words written at the summit of his mystical drawing of Mount Carmel, “There is no road here, for there is no law for the righteous man.”
(By the by, I like Pope Benedict XVI very much. I sometimes disagree with him and think I hate him for disagreeing with me, but that attitude just shows my immaturity. And while I may not be in communion with him in the way that you may be, he is the Pope, after all! I actually like him better than his predecessor, to be honest.)
Under the Mercy,
Mark
Deo Gratias!
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tqualey
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Hi, Mandy31,
Mandy31:
I think Cinette is right - you are worrying too much. The only person we have any control over is ourselves. While there is a bond between you and your daughter, you may effectively be pushing her farther away.
God has a plan for each of us - it may be that His Plan for you is to just continue to pray for your daughter without a constant repitition of joining you at Catholic Mass. Our Lord is very understanding and He knows what is in your heart.
Take comfort in the fact that you are doing all you can. By quietly continuing in your persevering prayers you are laying down a treasure, based on the Infinite Merits of Christ, for your Daughter.
By the way, in your enthusiasm for praying for your Daughter - be sure to include all the folks on the list, too!
God bless:thumbsup:
I think Cinette is right - you are worrying too much. The only person we have any control over is ourselves. While there is a bond between you and your daughter, you may effectively be pushing her farther away.
God has a plan for each of us - it may be that His Plan for you is to just continue to pray for your daughter without a constant repitition of joining you at Catholic Mass. Our Lord is very understanding and He knows what is in your heart.
Take comfort in the fact that you are doing all you can. By quietly continuing in your persevering prayers you are laying down a treasure, based on the Infinite Merits of Christ, for your Daughter.
By the way, in your enthusiasm for praying for your Daughter - be sure to include all the folks on the list, too!
God bless:thumbsup:
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Mandy31
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Cisette,
Thank you for writing with the good advice. I have gone to J.'s Church
several times.
I remember once was when J invited us to S’s baptism several years ago. My husband, son and daughter-in-law attended the service.
My husband said he won’t go again because he says he has a funny feeling about the Church. My son and daughter-in-law were supposed to be her godparents.
After driving not a few miles, J chose one of her Episcopal Church friends to do the honors. and my son was really upset about that mess. and was angry and disappointed for some time.
During the mass I went to communion with my daughter but later found out it is not permissible to do so. I have checked Catholic Answers and it is definely not the right thing to do.
I would go to her church if I could drive by myself. I have asked my husband if we coud go to J’s Church but he says he dose not like THAT church.
I feel really bad about this situation because, as a family, we always attended Mass every Sunday. And the kids all went to catechism after Mass.
I think one reason I feel guilty is that J promised her dying father that she would get an annulment from her first husband who is still living.
I searched the net some time ago and spoke with him by phone. In fact. J. talked to him and he told her that he was unhappy because of his actions that caused the divorce. But he wouldn’t live with him again.
My grand-daughter S. goes to chyrch with J. I wish I could go , at least once in a while. J. has asked me to go with her but as I said my husband won’t go and I dont drive.
I understand how you feel, Cisette. we did the best we knew at that time. I’ve read Vatican 11 and we are not supposed to interfere with other religions.
But sicnf you have been so kind to write, I will try not to feel guilty anymore, but, of course, that won’t change my emotions.
Mandy31
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Cinette
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Mandy, pray with **love, trust and expectation **and remember that if you worry it means you don’t trust God.
Cisette,
Thank you for writing with the good advice. I have gone to J.'s Church
several times.
I remember once was when J invited us to S’s baptism several years ago. My husband, son and daughter-in-law attended the service.
My husband said he won’t go again because he says he has a funny feeling about the Church. My son and daughter-in-law were supposed to be her godparents.
After driving not a few miles, J chose one of her Episcopal Church friends to do the honors. and my son was really upset about that mess. and was angry and disappointed for some time.
During the mass I went to communion with my daughter but later found out it is not permissible to do so. I have checked Catholic Answers and it is definely not the right thing to do.
I would go to her church if I could drive by myself. I have asked my husband if we coud go to J’s Church but he says he dose not like THAT church.
I feel really bad about this situation because, as a family, we always attended Mass every Sunday. And the kids all went to catechism after Mass.
I think one reason I feel guilty is that J promised her dying father that she would get an annulment from her first husband who is still living.
I searched the net some time ago and spoke with him by phone. In fact. J. talked to him and he told her that he was unhappy because of his actions that caused the divorce. But he wouldn’t live with him again.
My grand-daughter S. goes to chyrch with J. I wish I could go , at least once in a while. J. has asked me to go with her but as I said my husband won’t go and I dont drive.
I understand how you feel, Cisette. we did the best we knew at that time. I’ve read Vatican 11 and we are not supposed to interfere with other religions.
But sicnf you have been so kind to write, I will try not to feel guilty anymore, but, of course, that won’t change my emotions.
Mandy31
Why don’t you ask CA to pray for you and your family. There is a thread for this.
Pray and stop worrying.
Cinette
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grandmama16
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Pray and don’t worry…easier said than done. I don’t know how many times I’ve said to God “ok, this problem is yours, I give it all to you and your will” and then find I’ve taken it all back on my shoulders again. We can only try. Our 2 sons no longer practice the catholic faith or any faith. Our 2 daughters are very catholic…both divorced and received annulments. The one who is secretary at church and sings and teaches too has 2 little boys, but no kids by the first marriage which was a disaster from the start despite doing all the requirements. She is very devout, takes part in Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and other devotions. She used to teach at the catholic school but it became too stressful with all that she wanted to be for her boys. The other is a very busy mom of 4 (2 have graduated from catholic school)plus 2 step daughters. Her first marriage ended after almost 20 years even tho she tried and tried to keep it together for the kids. He had been stepping out on her for years and moved in with the latest one…and are married now. He had no faith but now is a practicing mormon again. It’s such a sad thing for me to see the kids going back and forth between homes. The oldest is married and a good catholic and very busy so she doesn’t so much. Anyway, my post was supposed to be mostly about our oldest who became mormon 22 years ago which literally broke my heart. She was 19, the classic age at which they get them here in Utah. She started college with a sports scholarship, hurt her back, had trouble with the coach(who was a catholic sleeze bag…I was so angry when I found out this years later)and the mormons were there to pick her up, give her fellowship etc. It was all done without our knowledge until right before she was baptized when she told me and then moved out so we couldn’t do anything but cry. I prayed and prayed and prayed for all those years. So much more happened, I could write a book, but eventually after she married (in the temple where we couldn’t go)and then had very sad miscarriages, and 3 girls after discovering thru NFP (thru her catholic aunt)that she needed progesteron. We became closer as being moms and she was happily homeschooling when disaster struck, breast cancer. She fought it bravely for 4 years and died in Nov. of 06 at her home with her husband, dad and me by her side…with the kids in and out of her room. I was in shock for over a year. We stayed with them, in a motel, and then a little apt near them, both before and after she died for 1 1/2 years…300 miles from out home which our youngest son lived in, then the sister moved in too who was preparing for her 2nd marriage (another book)with 3 of her kids. It’s been a harrowing time for us but we are finally settled back in our house and our widowed son-in-law and the girls have moved to about 60 miles from us near his parents and siblings so they are moving on with their life and we see them a lot. The difference in our religions is not an issue anymore. We love our son-in-law and of course our granddaughters. We made sure the girls wore the proper clothing to church and got to their little after school activities and they knew we went to Mass and I said the Liturgy of the Hours every day and rosary. I felt that some of their friends where they used to live had hopes of converted us but all in all they were wonderful…dear people that I’m glad to have known. they helped so much. Her funeral was in their mormon ward and then her body was brought back home to within a half a mile of where we live, where she was raised, at her request. There was a little graveside service by the mormons who came 300miles to do, and which many from our area attended, and then a luncheon given at our church, which I thought was very nice of them to do. It’s within site of the cemetery. Our plot is right next to her, in what’s supposed to be the Catholic section. I was with our then Pastor when he blessed the area years ago. As she lay dying, when no one else was in the room, I blessed her with St,. Jude’s oil that was mixed with a tiny bit of chrism oil. I also rubbed baby oil on her arms and told her it was to remind her of when she was my baby. She was basically in a coma due to meds Hospice had given her. Then I said the Liturgy of the Hours for the dead and prayed the chaplet of Mercy at different times. I feel…or I have to feel…that God took her to Himself, probably a little detour in purgatory, because she loved Him so much and that He had answered my prayers at the end. Our prayers are just not always answered in the way we’d like but I continue to pray for our sons and for others who are away from Christ and His church…but I know that ALL is in His hands. Have faith that it is, in whatever you pray for. Has anyone else read Abandonment to Divine Providence? It helps. God bless…M.A.
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anon52328184
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that is such a touching story. you have really been through so much. even though i don’t agree with the Mormon religion, they seem like very nice people. it seems that your daughter had been well received by the Mormon community and they did not abandon her in her time of need. how sad for you to lose your daughter. you sound like a wonderful mother and your daughter was so lucky to have you for her mother. i am sure she is being well taken care of by God and was received with loving arms in Heaven.
may God bless you!
may God bless you!
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emeraldcoast
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God bless you and your family, Grandmama16!
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