Anglicans: Why don't you come home to Rome?

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I used to be Roman Catholic, but have been Anglican for 20 years now. . .

Best of luck to you. I know, having been Roman for 30 years . . .
Hello new poster Alexia. So from your post it sounds like you have been a member of the Anglican church from 1988 to 2008 (20 years) and you were a member of the Catholic Church from 1958 to 1988 (30 years)?

Is this right?
 
Pray and don’t worry…easier said than done. I don’t know how many times I’ve said to God “ok, this problem is yours, I give it all to you and your will” and then find I’ve taken it all back on my shoulders again. We can only try. Our 2 sons no longer practice the catholic faith or any faith. Our 2 daughters are very catholic…both divorced and received annulments. The one who is secretary at church and sings and teaches too has 2 little boys, but no kids by the first marriage which was a disaster from the start despite doing all the requirements. She is very devout, takes part in Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and other devotions. She used to teach at the catholic school but it became too stressful with all that she wanted to be for her boys. The other is a very busy mom of 4 (2 have graduated from catholic school)plus 2 step daughters. Her first marriage ended after almost 20 years even tho she tried and tried to keep it together for the kids. He had been stepping out on her for years and moved in with the latest one…and are married now. He had no faith but now is a practicing mormon again. It’s such a sad thing for me to see the kids going back and forth between homes. The oldest is married and a good catholic and very busy so she doesn’t so much. Anyway, my post was supposed to be mostly about our oldest who became mormon 22 years ago which literally broke my heart. She was 19, the classic age at which they get them here in Utah. She started college with a sports scholarship, hurt her back, had trouble with the coach(who was a catholic sleeze bag…I was so angry when I found out this years later)and the mormons were there to pick her up, give her fellowship etc. It was all done without our knowledge until right before she was baptized when she told me and then moved out so we couldn’t do anything but cry. I prayed and prayed and prayed for all those years. So much more happened, I could write a book, but eventually after she married (in the temple where we couldn’t go)and then had very sad miscarriages, and 3 girls after discovering thru NFP (thru her catholic aunt)that she needed progesteron. We became closer as being moms and she was happily homeschooling when disaster struck, breast cancer. She fought it bravely for 4 years and died in Nov. of 06 at her home with her husband, dad and me by her side…with the kids in and out of her room. I was in shock for over a year. We stayed with them, in a motel, and then a little apt near them, both before and after she died for 1 1/2 years…300 miles from out home which our youngest son lived in, then the sister moved in too who was preparing for her 2nd marriage (another book)with 3 of her kids. It’s been a harrowing time for us but we are finally settled back in our house and our widowed son-in-law and the girls have moved to about 60 miles from us near his parents and siblings so they are moving on with their life and we see them a lot. The difference in our religions is not an issue anymore. We love our son-in-law and of course our granddaughters. We made sure the girls wore the proper clothing to church and got to their little after school activities and they knew we went to Mass and I said the Liturgy of the Hours every day and rosary. I felt that some of their friends where they used to live had hopes of converted us but all in all they were wonderful…dear people that I’m glad to have known. they helped so much. Her funeral was in their mormon ward and then her body was brought back home to within a half a mile of where we live, where she was raised, at her request. There was a little graveside service by the mormons who came 300miles to do, and which many from our area attended, and then a luncheon given at our church, which I thought was very nice of them to do. It’s within site of the cemetery. Our plot is right next to her, in what’s supposed to be the Catholic section. I was with our then Pastor when he blessed the area years ago. As she lay dying, when no one else was in the room, I blessed her with St,. Jude’s oil that was mixed with a tiny bit of chrism oil. I also rubbed baby oil on her arms and told her it was to remind her of when she was my baby. She was basically in a coma due to meds Hospice had given her. Then I said the Liturgy of the Hours for the dead and prayed the chaplet of Mercy at different times. I feel…or I have to feel…that God took her to Himself, probably a little detour in purgatory, because she loved Him so much and that He had answered my prayers at the end. Our prayers are just not always answered in the way we’d like but I continue to pray for our sons and for others who are away from Christ and His church…but I know that ALL is in His hands. Have faith that it is, in whatever you pray for. Has anyone else read Abandonment to Divine Providence? It helps. God bless…M.A.
What Faith! What a life! God bless you and your family. Your prayers are certainly answered. You did all you could and I hope that you will be rewarded also in this life when the other members of the family come home.

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Chris, I must thank you for such a charitable, thoughtful, and intelligent reply. I agree with many points you make. And I do not think Catholics “check out their brains at the door.” If I felt that way, I wouldn’t have returned to the RCC from Anglicanism.

The only thing I would say is to be careful comparing Benedict XVI with Rowan Williams. You could speak to MILLIONS of Anglicans who would hear what you said and say, “uh-hem, Rowan doesn’t speak for me!” I know my diocese here, that broke off from the Episcopal Church and is aligned with a south american conservative archbishop, would NEVER read or take seriously anything that idiots like schiori or williams have to say. One cannot equate the Archbishop of Canterbury with the Pope. Anglicans don’t view them that way. Each diocese is autonomous and there are brilliant, intelligent, traditional, good people in the Anglican Communion that are not loyal to spong, schiori, or these other fruitcakes! That is why re-alignment is going on.

And no, I could NOT live in heaven without my labradoodlepoodle! I love my two cats and dog! Well, the calico is kind of a moron and not very nice but my black and white cat and my dog have to be there with me! End of story! lol

I don’t think that I feel that I am trying to ‘do my own thing’ and not follow God’s will. I’m not trying to be disobedient but rather, if I don’t agree with Rome, seriously, don’t agree, then it is a matter of conscience, not outright defiance. I’m not totally sold on infallibility but I understand the concept and theology behind it.

Again, thanks for such a great reply!
i am a new Catholic of a little over a month converting from anglicanism. so far i don’t miss anything. i can definitely say that you should not compare the Pope to Archbishop Rowan Williams. he is a part of the current problem in the anglican communion because he is a weak leader. i left for many reasons. anyhow, i was at a Bible study at a Catholic church once and asked the priest if animals would be in heaven. he said that if a man and a dog were drowning in a lake and you saved the dog, you saved the wrong one. animals cannot comprehend salvation therefore, they will not be in heaven because they cannot make the choice to be saved. i know that all the pets i have owned have had souls though. so i guess i disagree with what the priest was teaching. at that time i was not Catholic. in fact, i stopped my journey for 8 years. after being in the episcopal church/anglican communion for 5 years, i found my way back to the catholic church.

Well a couple of things—first of all, I was NOT making the mistake of comparing Rowan Williams with Benedict XVI? You didn’t read my post. I was telling the previous poster that he should NOT compare the two!? You’re preaching to the choir. I was making the point that the Anglican Communion has 77 million folks in it and the majority of them do not respect or follow Williams. They think he’s a joke. He’s not a pope or a serious leader. That’s the point. The poster told me that Benedict’s works are better than someone like Williams. I agreed but warned that the two can’t be compared. The Pope is a highly-respected, serious leader that has real power over his flock. The ABC is a mere figurehead, the AC is a communion of independent and autonomous dioceses so it’s comparing apples and oranges.

And as far as your analogy of saving a dog or a man drowning in a lake, that’s a no-brainer? The dog! JUST KIDDING…obviously any idiot knows to save a person first? I never said to let people drown to save dogs? I just believe that we make God pretty weak and inept if He can create a universe, become incarnate, work amazing miracles, and save humanity and yet he cannot and will not bring animals back to heaven, then uh, well, you do the math. We hear imagery of the lion and the lamb and animals being in heaven so I personally think God can and will do whatever He wants. I believe he will have animals in heaven. If you don’t, whatever…
 
no, i understood what you were saying. i was agreeing with you why you should not compare the Pope with the archbishop.

when i hit the quote button, i didn’t know it was going to include the other person’s quote. i even said it was going to be confusing.

so i am not disagreeing with you.

as far as the dog, i know people had brought up the topic of animals in heaven so i was simply relating a personal story.

sorry you got so confused about my post and took everything the wrong way.
 
no, i understood what you were saying. i was agreeing with you why you should not compare the Pope with the archbishop.

when i hit the quote button, i didn’t know it was going to include the other person’s quote. i even said it was going to be confusing.

so i am not disagreeing with you.

as far as the dog, i know people had brought up the topic of animals in heaven so i was simply relating a personal story.

sorry you got so confused about my post and took everything the wrong way.
About infallibility. Look, I am a revert and consider myself a “primary school Catholic” because I have still a lot of learning and catching up to do.

However, I do know that the Pope does not pronounce “articles of Faith” frequently. The last time was towards the end of the 19th century I think. I know that the Pope writes encyclicals and that together with the Cardinals - the Magisterium, matters of Faith are discussed, studied and defined. I know and believe that Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide us and that God would be always with us.

So we stumble and fall but our Holy Father and the Magisterium are there to keep up fed and on track.

So I think that we can feel comforted that Jesus did not leave us orphans.

I wish we had Christian Unity. I pray for it.

Always enjoy your posts. They are ingtelligent and very good.

🙂
 
i was replying to post #182 about being careful not to compare the Pope and the archbishop of canterbury. so i was AGREEING with you.
 
thank you cinette. not all of my posts are intelligent. LOL

i agree with what you said about the magisterium and the Pope.
 
About infallibility. Look, I am a revert and consider myself a “primary school Catholic” because I have still a lot of learning and catching up to do.

However, I do know that the Pope does not pronounce “articles of Faith” frequently. The last time was towards the end of the 19th century I think. I know that the Pope writes encyclicals and that together with the Cardinals - the Magisterium, matters of Faith are discussed, studied and defined. I know and believe that Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide us and that God would be always with us.

So we stumble and fall but our Holy Father and the Magisterium are there to keep up fed and on track.

So I think that we can feel comforted that Jesus did not leave us orphans.

I wish we had Christian Unity. I pray for it.

Always enjoy your posts. They are ingtelligent and very good.

🙂
I made my coffee and came back to my computer because I thought of something else.

I believe that our Holy Father is the Father of all Christians even though other Christians do not accept him or “agree”.

I just don’t think Faith is a matter of agreement.

In Eph Paul says that there is only One Body and One Spirit…one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all. Jesus also said that one day there would be one flock and one shephard.

We come to Catholic Answers for answers and it is great to interact with people of different denominations and Faiths. What I lament is when you get people who ask questions and then provide the answers themselves! When they are confronted with an answer with compelling evidence and are referred to the scriptures and books, they continue to hammer their preconceived ideas and opinions. They don’t take the slightest notice of the evidence. I noted once when a whole lot of scriptures were quoted one bloke (I love that word - not used in a long time!!) answered immediately - didn’t have time to even check the references!!

One should listen and *reflect and discern and pray…

If we are stubborn we will not learn. I know that I have learned a lot from Protestants who really know and love their Faith. But many Protestants are closed to the CC - there is a stubborn determination to resist. One wonders why they even come on this forum.

Maybe it is to be a thorn in the side!

It doesn’t matter. I still enjoy these forums and who knows maybe we are sowing seeds.

As for Anglicanism. I am very sad at what is happening. I hope for full communion one day. They are close to us in many ways and have also contributed in other ways.

:clapping: :love: 👋 *****
 
i never really gave much thought to protestants and anglicans and catholics until about 10 years ago. i grew up knowing the basics of christianity and driving around town i saw the different churches. i never grew up around a lot of religious people though so i did not realize there is so much animosity between the different religious groups. it is sad and i hope, too, one day we will have unity.

i wonder what the early church fathers would think if they could visit present day and what they would think of how the Catholic church is today and the protestant churches and the megachurches!! they would no doubt be very shocked at how christianity has developed throughout history.

maybe the protestants do come here to be a thorn in the side, but i also see our Pope as the Holy Father looking out for the world and all peoples of all faiths. maybe the other people of the other faiths don’t want his prayers, but i think he is a spiritual shepherd on earth for all of us.

when you look at the faces of the Popes you can see the awesome responsibility they know that they have. i think their job is harder than the job of the president of the united states.

i would love for the anglican communion to be united with Rome again.
whether that will happen or not, i do not know.

anyhow, it is late so i have to go now.

bye!!
 
i never really gave much thought to protestants and anglicans and catholics until about 10 years ago. i grew up knowing the basics of christianity and driving around town i saw the different churches. i never grew up around a lot of religious people though so i did not realize there is so much animosity between the different religious groups. it is sad and i hope, too, one day we will have unity.

i wonder what the early church fathers would think if they could visit present day and what they would think of how the Catholic church is today and the protestant churches and the megachurches!! they would no doubt be very shocked at how christianity has developed throughout history.

maybe the protestants do come here to be a thorn in the side, but i also see our Pope as the Holy Father looking out for the world and all peoples of all faiths. maybe the other people of the other faiths don’t want his prayers, but i think he is a spiritual shepherd on earth for all of us.

when you look at the faces of the Popes you can see the awesome responsibility they know that they have. i think their job is harder than the job of the president of the united states.

i would love for the anglican communion to be united with Rome again.
whether that will happen or not, i do not know.

anyhow, it is late so i have to go now.

bye!!
I just had to respond. Deborah yesterday you said that it was 4 in the morning and you had to go to bed! You are the opposite to me!

Some years ago I used to go to Perpetual Adoration in the very early morning - my hour was 3am and it was at the Maronite Church some distance from my home - about 15 kms. although my hour was set for Fridays I would sometimes go on other days and would fill in for people on holiday. That changed my pattern and I did this for 4 1/2 years. Then my husband had an accident and needed my assistance full time so I stopped.

Most times I fall asleep at 8pm in front of the TV or even 6 or 7 pm but at 2 or 3 in the morning I am wide awake. I wish I could change this pattern but at the same time it is a very happy time for me because I use it in many different ways and have certain freedom. So right now it is 7.35 am and you my dear are off to bed. What do you do in the small hours which for you are the late hours and what time do you get up??

:coffeeread: :o :whacky: :love:
 
actually, sometimes in the evening i will go to a nearby restaurant for a late breakfast or just to chat and drink coffee or tea. tonight i went for a sandwich and returned home to finish laundry. i am a night person by nature. especially where i live in the deset it is so hot during the day, that the hours between midnight and 4 am are the nicest time of the day. sometimes i will go swimming as late as 1 or 2 in the morning.

my hours are really mixed up right now and i know i am not getting the proper sleep. sometimes during the day i will take a nap.

do you still take care of your husband? i think you said he had converted to Catholicism is that right? and you are a revert to Catholicism. you probably know a lot more than i do and are more spiritual.

when i was growing up no one really told me what it meant to be episcopalian.
i just knew we were almost catholic. i thought we were okay with the Pope.
now i see we were not. so i really didn’t have a clue what being an episcopalian was about. it would be wonderful if some day both the orthodox church and the anglican church could be in communion with the holy see.

it is weird to think it is day time there and night time here. i had a friend whose brother and parents lived in south africa for awhile.

have a nice day!!!
 
He’s not a pope or a serious leader. That’s the point.
That was my whole problem with Anglicanism (and protestantism in general). There is no real authority to make final, irrevisable decisions. Therefore everything (EVERYTHING) is going to be up for debate at some point, since nothing is irreformably settled.
Add that to a decision making process that can create ‘doctrine’ via majority vote and you have a recipe for… well… the stew that the Episcopal Church is in right now. 🤷

I didn’t mean to compare +Rowan and +Benedict as equals in stature or authority, only as (mostly) respected theologians within their own communions.
 
Hi, Cinette,
We come to Catholic Answers for answers and it is great to interact with people of different denominations and Faiths. What I lament is when you get people who ask questions and then provide the answers themselves! When they are confronted with an answer with compelling evidence and are referred to the scriptures and books, they continue to hammer their preconceived ideas and opinions. They don’t take the slightest notice of the evidence. I noted once when a whole lot of scriptures were quoted one bloke (I love that word - not used in a long time!!) answered immediately - didn’t have time to even check the references!!
Thank you for sharing your insights into this matter. My view is similar but there is a difference. I tend to look at their ‘hammering’ as a form of pain expression.

Admittedly, some truly, “just don’t get it…” and, in reality, never will. But, there are others who ‘hammer’ because they see many years of participating in ‘x’ religion being deeply challenged - and they are mixing confusion, desparation and grief at their loss with their posts. Their sincerity is nudging them forward to the Catholic faith, but their former ways are keeping them for joyfully embracing the Faith. They need ur prayers … truly.

While they may seem like a ‘thorn’… just imagine how they are feeling! Everyone struggles in their own way. Truly, we are planting seeds… and, as I recall, the Sower in the parable only had a 20% success rate on seed hitting good ground (the yield is a different issue! 😃 ) Don’t take it personally. ‘Thorns’ are out there, but we are expected to do our best with everyone we come in contact with. The increase is credited to God.🙂

God bless
 
Hi, Cinette,

Thank you for sharing your insights into this matter. My view is similar but there is a difference. I tend to look at their ‘hammering’ as a form of pain expression.

Admittedly, some truly, “just don’t get it…” and, in reality, never will. But, there are others who ‘hammer’ because they see many years of participating in ‘x’ religion being deeply challenged - and they are mixing confusion, desparation and grief at their loss with their posts. Their sincerity is nudging them forward to the Catholic faith, but their former ways are keeping them for joyfully embracing the Faith. They need ur prayers … truly.

While they may seem like a ‘thorn’… just imagine how they are feeling! Everyone struggles in their own way. Truly, we are planting seeds… and, as I recall, the Sower in the parable only had a 20% success rate on seed hitting good ground (the yield is a different issue! 😃 ) Don’t take it personally. ‘Thorns’ are out there, but we are expected to do our best with everyone we come in contact with. The increase is credited to God.🙂

God bless
Thank you Tom for that.

I am grateful for your insight. It will make me more patient in the future.

I always felt that if the sum of my life were to bring one soul to salvation I could say that I have had a successful life. We do not have to see the harvest because it might make us proud (BAD)

You will have a bit of a laugh :rotfl: :rotfl: but I look upon my Catholic faith as a means to get to heaven by Condorde and that Protestants have to settle for the ox wagon! We are not better than anyone else, we just have more resources that’s all. ie the sacraments, the Eucharist…

I can understand the anguish of the Anglican faithful and feel we need to pray for them.

We will find Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, etc. in heaven. Those who love God and obey his commandments will surely have the gates of heaven opened to them. Athiests (implicit faith) will also be found there. I get the needle at people who say “So and so is not saved” what a cheek, what a blunder of judgement!!! Have they not read the bible (Do not judge…) what about the thief who was on the cross next to Jesus? Have they never heard of him, huh?

I am seriously worried about secularists. Many have been exposed to Christianity but reject it - they believe too much in their own power. Is it not a BIG sin to think we can rely on our own power?? Is it not a great tragedy and very dangerous? CS Lewis said that the ROOT of all sin is pride and there is too much of that around.

Thank you again for teaching me something about people.

:yup:

:tiphat:

:love:
 
Hi, Cinette

While I am confident I did not ‘teach’ much you already did not know…😃 I do feel obligated to jump on your analogy :rolleyes:
You will have a bit of a laugh :rotfl: :rotfl: but I look upon my Catholic faith as a means to get to heaven by Condorde and that Protestants have to settle for the ox wagon!

The Concorde no longer flys! 😃 Here is a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde

Considering all of the changes in transportation we have experienced in our own lifetime … I am not sure there is one that would honestly stand the test of time…:rolleyes: But, please don’t use one that is already dated…👍

But, however we do it … we all need to keep on spreading the Word of God - in this forum and all others that we find. You just never know which one of those seeds we spread will land on good ground…🙂

God bless
 
Hi, Cinette

While I am confident I did not ‘teach’ much you already did not know…😃 I do feel obligated to jump on your analogy :rolleyes:

The Concorde no longer flys! 😃 Here is a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde

Considering all of the changes in transportation we have experienced in our own lifetime … I am not sure there is one that would honestly stand the test of time…:rolleyes: But, please don’t use one that is already dated…👍

But, however we do it … we all need to keep on spreading the Word of God - in this forum and all others that we find. You just never know which one of those seeds we spread will land on good ground…🙂

God bless
Yes I know the Concorde no longer flies but the idea came to me when it did and by still using the Concorde to illustrate my idea I think one can get a pretty good idea of what I mean.

It is a strange thing but one never knows what will stick. I guess that the best thing is to try to live good lives and really love and be generous with kindness. This will at least get the attention and from there…who knows?

I have heard the most amazing stories of what triggered Faith in people.

My husband came to Faith through Science but one of the things that touched him the most was when he started coming to Mass with me. First the priest was a revolutionary and my husband and I both were and had lived thru a revolution (Mozambique) and here in S Africa we experienced Apartheid and the Priest was very outspoken about this. He got my husband’s attention also because he was a very good priest who knew his stuff. But what I noticed was how often my husband would take off his glasses and rub his eyes with the palm of his hand. He then explained that he was always moved at the reverence and ferver of the people around us. So you never know…

👍
 
Hi, Cinette,

It is truly a blessing to have a Priest who can make such a difference in the lives of the Faithful. These dedicated men need our daily prayers. 🙂

I hope peace and fellowship have returned to Mozambique.

You are right about not knowning what it is (as though it were singular) that suddenly opens someone up to Faith. God’s Hand moves in truly wonderous ways.

God bless 👍
 
it must have been a peaceful time to go to perpetual adoration at 3am.
there probably weren’t many people there.

the church i go to for perpetual adoration is close to a busy intersection.
one walked though a beautiful prayer garden before you enter the chapel of adoration and it is so peaceful inside. however, normally i go there anywhere between noon and 3:00 and sometimes they are practicing the organ in the church (which can be heard loudly inside the chapel) and then you can hear the traffic at the intersection. the church is lovely, but when they constructed it, they maybe didn’t think they should have put the adoration chapel farther back on the grounds away from the street. there are usually 2 or 3 other people there as well, which doesn’t bother me too much because i know how much they love Jesus and they want to spend time with him too. i am not a member of the church, so i don’t have the code to access the garden and chapel after the gate is locked.

i am sure those moments in the middle of the night there you were able to feel so close to the Lord.

i liked your analogy of Catholics reaching heaven by way of the Concorde
(even if it no longer flies) and protestants by way of the ox cart. LOL
that is funny.
 
it must have been a peaceful time to go to perpetual adoration at 3am. I was totally alone. We all had an hour attributed to us and would only leave when the next person came - we would sign our names in a special register. The Maronites have a statue of Our Lady on top of a kind of circular beehive structure and the statue rotates slowly all day and night and can be seen from the highway. So if you are going one way in the morning Our Lady might be facing North and then later East etc. The Adoration Chapel was under the statue and inside this little chapel it was like a cave and the walls and ceiling were painted whitish and there were stalectites just like a cave. It was nice as I was all alone with God and my heart would glow. Often as I left I would cry tears of joy as I looked up at the stars. I felt a holy presence. Sometimes if a person could not come they would inform us and someone would take their place or we might even do 2 hours. We made sure that there was always someone there. It was dark but the guard would let me in and there was a beautiful garden. Sometimes I would go to the loo and had to cross the garden to the side of the main church and there would only be the moonlight to light my path. I was never scared but I did once have an incident on the highway when a lorry whose driver must have fallen asleep at the wheel suddenly swerved into my path and hit a brokendown car at the side of the road. I had been singing “Spirit of the Living God” at the time and I am sure the Spirit helped me but it gave me the fright of my life as I could feel sparks fly onto my car at the impact.

the church i go to for perpetual adoration is close to a busy intersection.
one walked though a beautiful prayer garden before you enter the chapel of adoration and it is so peaceful inside. however, normally i go there anywhere between noon and 3:00 and sometimes they are practicing the organ in the church (which can be heard loudly inside the chapel) and then you can hear the traffic at the intersection. the church is lovely, but when they constructed it, they maybe didn’t think they should have put the adoration chapel farther back on the grounds away from the street. there are usually 2 or 3 other people there as well, which doesn’t bother me too much because i know how much they love Jesus and they want to spend time with him too. i am not a member of the church, so i don’t have the code to access the garden and chapel after the gate is locked.

i am sure those moments in the middle of the night there you were able to feel so close to the Lord. You have no idea. It was a wonderful time for me - I did it for 4 1/2 years

i liked your analogy of Catholics reaching heaven by way of the Concorde
(even if it no longer flies) and protestants by way of the ox cart. LOL
that is funny.
Ciao Deborah:tiphat: :love:
 
i am happy for you that you have those memories of the perpetual adoration chapel.

it sounds like it was a unique and beautiful place to worship and spend time with the Lord. from your description, i was able to create a picture in my mind of what it must have looked like.
 
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