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In our Episcopal Diocease there is a church that affiliates with them but identifies itself as “Anglo-Catholic”. They have Masses (low and high) and seem to maintain a lot of their Catholic heritage. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks!
 
rabby(name removed by moderator) said:
Hi,
In our Episcopal Diocease there is a church that affiliates with them but identifies itself as “Anglo-Catholic”. They have Masses (low and high) and seem to maintain a lot of their Catholic heritage. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks!
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Yes.

But it’s not easy to start from that point, and briefly explain much.

Anglo-Catholic is a common and historical term, over the past 175 years or so, which describes a portion of the range of doctrine to be found in Anglicanism in general. Specifically that portion which arose from the Oxford movement/Tractarians and the slightly later Ritualist movement, in the Church of England. It emphasizes the historic connection of Anglicanism with its Catholic heritage, as a part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. It is characterized by high Church ritualism, and doctrines close to RC.

Anglo-Catholic, historically, was rarely used to formally name a church, though a given parish might be known as an Anglo-Catholic one (as opposed to a reformed/evangelical one), and that appears to be what you are referring to, if this parish is a part of the Episcopal Church. My parish is an Anglo-Catholic one. Not associated with the Episcopal Church at all.

Anglicanism in general is difficult to explain, As it has become in the past 40 years, even more so. If you have another question, I’d have another go at it.

GKC

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Yes, Anglo-Catholicism is a tradition in the Anglican churches that was revitalized by the Oxford movement (led by J.H. Newman, who as you may know, later entered the Holy Roman Church and was eventually made a cardinal and has recently been beatified; while still an Anglican, he believed that there were 3 valid branches of Christianity- Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Anglicanism) in the 19th century. There are different strains of Anglo-Catholics, including Affirming Catholics, who are social liberals like many mainstream (Low or Broad Church, as opposed to the High Church, which is practically synonymous with the Anglo-Catholics) Anglicans are, traditional Anglo-Catholics, who are more conventional in their moral outlook and are prone to be against things like abortion, gay marriage, and female ordination (all of which have already been accepted by much of the Anglican Communion, particularily by the Episcopal Church in the U.S., and Anglo-Papalists, who are like the conventional Anglo-Catholics yet even desire for the Anglican Communion to be reunited with Rome. Obviously, Anglo-Catholics will adhere to Roman Catholic doctrine and practice in varying degrees. But Anglo-Catholics are in no means in communion with the Pope, that is unless they have actually left the Anglican Communion and entered the Roman Catholic Church as a group. An example of “Romanized” Anglo-Catholics would be those who are members of Anglican Use parishes or, if in England, are under the jurisdiction of the recently constructed Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham. Personal ordinariates for Anglo-Catholics who wish to come home to Rome are likely to soon be established in other English-speaking countries
 
Young_Thinker said:
Yes, Anglo-Catholicism is a tradition in the Anglican churches that was revitalized by the Oxford movement (led by J.H. Newman, who as you may know, later entered the Holy Roman Church and was eventually made a cardinal and has recently been beatified; while still an Anglican, he believed that there were 3 valid branches of Christianity- Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Anglicanism) in the 19th century. There are different strains of Anglo-Catholics, including Affirming Catholics, who are social liberals like many mainstream (Low or Broad Church, as opposed to the High Church, which is practically synonymous with the Anglo-Catholics) Anglicans are, traditional Anglo-Catholics, who are more conventional in their moral outlook and are prone to be against things like abortion, gay marriage, and female ordination (all of which have already been accepted by much of the Anglican Communion, particularily by the Episcopal Church in the U.S., and Anglo-Papalists, who are like the conventional Anglo-Catholics yet even desire for the Anglican Communion to be reunited with Rome. Obviously, Anglo-Catholics will adhere to Roman Catholic doctrine and practice in varying degrees. But Anglo-Catholics are in no means in communion with the Pope, that is unless they have actually left the Anglican Communion and entered the Roman Catholic Church as a group. An example of “Romanized” Anglo-Catholics would be those who are members of Anglican Use parishes or, if in England, are under the jurisdiction of the recently constructed Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham. Personal ordinariates for Anglo-Catholics who wish to come home to Rome are likely to soon be established in other English-speaking countries
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Well said, in more detail.

GKC
 
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GKC said:
Yes.

But it’s not easy to start from that point, and briefly explain much.

Anglo-Catholic is a common and historical term, over the past 175 years or so, which describes a portion of the range of doctrine to be found in Anglicanism in general. Specifically that portion which arose from the Oxford movement/Tractarians and the slightly later Ritualist movement, in the Church of England. It emphasizes the historic connection of Anglicanism with its Catholic heritage, as a part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. It is characterized by high Church ritualism, and doctrines close to RC.

Anglo-Catholic, historically, was rarely used to formally name a church, though a given parish might be known as an Anglo-Catholic one (as opposed to a reformed/evangelical one), and that appears to be what you are referring to, if this parish is a part of the Episcopal Church. My parish is an Anglo-Catholic one. Not associated with the Episcopal Church at all.

Anglicanism in general is difficult to explain, As it has become in the past 40 years, even more so. If you have another question, I’d have another go at it.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus

Added: Diocese of Upper SC, or Diocese of SC?
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Hey GKC,
I attend a high church Episcopal Chuch that is Anglican Catholic (Anglo-Catholic) in belief and practice.

Peace,
Anna
 
rabby(name removed by moderator) said:
Hi,
In our Episcopal Diocease there is a church that affiliates with them but identifies itself as “Anglo-Catholic”. They have Masses (low and high) and seem to maintain a lot of their Catholic heritage. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks!
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I know that this is an overly simplistic view of the situation but I have never understood something concerning Anglicanism. I’m I not correct in believing that the Anglican Church originated because Henry VIII wanted a divorce? This seems to be more a political split then a doctrinal split. If that is true, why then would any Anglican not want to re-unite with the Catholic Church in this day and age? The fact that some Anglicans want to be so closely associated with the CC that they add “Catholic” to their name has always puzzled me. Why don’t those of you who would add Catholic to your Anglican name just become Catholic?

Thanks.
 
SteveVH said:
I know that this is an overly simplistic view of the situation but I have never understood something concerning Anglicanism. I’m I not correct in believing that the Anglican Church originated because Henry VIII wanted a divorce? This seems to be more a political split then a doctrinal split. If that is true, why then would any Anglican not want to re-unite with the Catholic Church in this day and age? The fact that some Anglicans want to be so closely associated with the CC that they add “Catholic” to their name has always puzzled me. Why don’t those of you who would add Catholic to your Anglican name just become Catholic?

Thanks.
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No. Henry wanted a decree of nullity, with respect to his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. Not the same thing. Common error, though.

Politics indeed played a huge part in Henry’s whole problem. Very complicated, too. All sorts of politics.

Anglicans who do not become Roman Catholics usually do so because they can not affirm all that the RCC requires them to affirm, doctrinally.

I often sign my posts the way I do because I am Catholic (not Roman Catholic), in the Anglican tradition. Certainly, no RC needs agree with that.

GKC

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GKC said:
No. Henry wanted a decree of nullity, with respect to his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. Not the same thing. Common error, though.

Politics indeed played a huge part in Henry’s whole problem. Very complicated, too. All sorts of politics.

Anglicans who do not become Roman Catholics usually do so because they can not affirm all that the RCC requires them to affirm, doctrinally.

I often sign my posts the way I do because I am Catholic (not Roman Catholic), in the Anglican tradition. Certainly, no RC needs agree with that.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus
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As I said, I realize my view is overly simplistic, but my point remains the same regardless of the details between Henry VIII and the Pope. What was once a political situation, it seems, has now grown into issues concerning doctrine, but it could not have been so at the origination of the Church of England. This had to have been a development over time as to doctrinal issues and was not the reason for the split originally. Hope I’m making sense.
 
SteveVH said:
As I said, I realize my view is overly simplistic, but my point remains the same regardless of the details between Henry VIII and the Pope. What was once a political situation, it seems, has now grown into issues concerning doctrine, but it could not have been so at the origination of the Church of England. This had to have been a development over time as to doctrinal issues and was not the reason for the split originally. Hope I’m making sense.
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At the time it was a mixture of theology and politics, as almost everything was. Henry made very few changes to what the RCC was teaching, when he took the Church private in England. But he did make a few adjustments, primarily with respect to the necessary relationship between a sovereign and the Papacy.This sort of thing represented the essence of the way in which theology and politics were intertwined in the day. And given the tone of the time, when his son Edward became King, under a Protectorate (Edward had no true opinions in this area, being too young) the Church in England adopted a far more reformed tone. Which was reversed completely under Mary, and then moved to a sort of medium level mid-way point, under the Elizabethan Compromise. Doctrinally, the CoE, and then Anglicanism, are not synonymous with the RCC, and haven’t been, since 1534. Some parts are pretty close, though.

GKC
 
GKC said:
At the time it was a mixture of theology and politics, as almost everything was. Henry made very few changes to what the RCC was teaching, when he took the Church private in England. But he did make a few adjustments, primarily with respect to the necessary relationship between a sovereign and the Papacy.This sort of thing represented the essence of the way in which theology and politics were intertwined in the day. And given the tone of the time, when his son Edward became King, under a Protectorate (Edward had no true opinions in this area, being too young) the Church in England adopted a far more reformed tone. Which was reversed completely under Mary, and then moved to a sort of medium level mid-way point, under the Elizabethan Compromise. Doctrinally, the CoE, and then Anglicanism, are not synonymous with the RCC, and haven’t been, since 1534. Some parts are pretty close, though.

GKC
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Thanks for your answer and for putting up with my ignorance in this area. I think I learned something today, which is always a good thing. 👍
 
SteveVH said:
Thanks for your answer and for putting up with my ignorance in this area. I think I learned something today, which is always a good thing. 👍
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You are very welcome.

Henry and the affairs of his day are a small hobby of mine.

GKC
 
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