Anglo Lutheran Catholic Church and the Ordinariate

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I just read that the Anglo Lutheran Catholic Church will be allowed to enter the Ordinariate for Anglicans.

One of their Bishops, Edward Steel has posted on this development on another website.

From looking at their website, it appears there are several parishes in different states and I also believe one in Africa.

If so, this is great news. More and more Anglicans in England appear to be following the three Bishops who were all ordained Catholic priests over a month ago.

Hopefully the Ordinariate will be opening doors for many of different denominations to enter into Christ’s Holy Catholic Church

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
BernadetteM said:
I just read that the Anglo Lutheran Catholic Church will be allowed to enter the Ordinariate for Anglicans.

One of their Bishops, Edward Steel has posted on this development on another website.
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Perhaps I am being overly cautious, but does this mean that the ALCC has been accepted into the ordinariate, or that the Catholic Church is considering them for it?
The following is a synopsis of what led to this marvellous development, which was sent to me by Most Rev. Edward J. Steele, the ALCC Bishop of Florida, and who is one of our regular commenters.
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On May 13, 2009, The Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC) mailed a letter to Walter Cardinal Kasper, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, stating the ALCC “desires to undo the mistakes of Father Martin Luther, and return to the One, Holy, and True Catholic Church established by our Lord Jesus Christ through the Blessed Saint Peter.” That letter was in turn forwarded to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) for consideration, and the CDF in June 2009 sent the ALCC a reply acknowledging receipt of the petition, with the assurance the request for full membership was being given serious attention.
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However when the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI graciously released Anglicanorum coetibus in November that same year, the ALCC did not immediately respond as others did. Instead the ALCC, being of Lutheran heritage, praised God for the apostolic constitution and for the gift offered to our Anglican brothers and sisters; but continued to wait with the blessed hope that our petition too, would soon be granted.
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Surprisingly, in October 2010 the ALCC received a letter from Archbishop Luis Ladaria, Secretary of the CDF, informing the ALCC that an Episcopal Delegate, Donald Cardinal Wuerl, had been appointed in the United States to assist the CDF with the implementation of Anglicanorum coetibus (Cardinal Wuerl was still an Archbishop at the time however). The letter further stated, “As we proceed toward the erection of Ordinariates we would invite you, therefore, to make contact directly with Archbishop Wuerl at the following address…” Humbly, the ALCC responded with a resounding “YES”, mailing a letter to Cardinal Wuerl in compliance with the correspondence received from the CDF, requesting to be a part of this wonderful reunification within the Body of Christ.
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It is with great joy and deep gratitude, therefore, that the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church makes known her intention to enter the American Ordinariate under the provisions of Anglicanorum coetibus, and looks forward to serving with all our brothers and sisters in Christ to undo the Reformation and restore the visible, corporate unity of Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
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theanglocatholic.com/2011/02/our-family-is-growing/

I’m pretty dense when it comes to the subtleties of church-speak, so maybe I am off-base, but to me the letter sounds as if the ALCC is being formally considered for the ordinariate, not that it has been already included. What do others think?
 
Dale,

Technically and actually there in not yet an Ordinariate in the States. Only in the UK has it been established. Like the rest of us who have announced for the Ordinariate, we have to wait for it to be established in the States and Canada by Rome. We have unoffically organized and are growing each month. Now we get to add ALCC to the growing list of Anglican groups indicating they want to join. ALCC is now added to ACA(TAC),CEC, TEC, REC, ACNA, CANA parishes, clergy and laity who are waiting. In Canada, ACCC.

The ALCC has made known when it comes home to the Church, the CDF has told them that path will be the Ordinariate. Not only does this include parishes in the States, but one in Germany and a Diocese in the new country of Southern Sudan.

Fr. Mark
 
The CDF is the dicastery which is setting up the various national Ordinariates, and it is the CDF which sent the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC) a letter of instruction signed by its Secretary, Archbishop Ladaria, to enter the Catholic Church (quoting the letter of instruction) “through the procedures of Anglicanorum coetibus.”

In its 2009 petition to Rome, (which you may read for yourself toward the bottom of the page of the following web site: stmichaelsalcc.org/News.dsp , did not ask to enter through the Ordinariate, only to enter in whichever form the Vatican felt would be the most appropriate, The tone of the petition is penitential: note the last lines of the petition which state: “We in the ALCC have no ambition but to return to the Holy Mother Church. Your Prodigal Child has returned and is at your door step. Holy Father, please let us in.”

The CDF, after due consideration made the determination that the ALCC is to enter through the provisions of the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum coetibus. All the ALCC has done is to accept the CDF’s instructions unconditionally in writing, with a copy of the CDF’s Letter of Instruction as an attachment.

The ALCC will not question Rome’s decisions now or when we are finally absorbed into the Catholic Church. Someone once asked another of the ALCC’s bishops what it would do once inside the Catholic Church. His response was “whatever the Holy Father asks us to do.” I enthusiastically second that.

Blessings.
  • Irl Gladfelter
 
IAGladfelter said:
The CDF is the dicastery which is setting up the various national Ordinariates, and it is the CDF which sent the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC) a letter of instruction signed by its Secretary, Archbishop Ladaria, to enter the Catholic Church (quoting the letter of instruction) “through the procedures of Anglicanorum coetibus.”

In its 2009 petition to Rome, (which you may read for yourself toward the bottom of the page of the following web site: stmichaelsalcc.org/News.dsp , did not ask to enter through the Ordinariate, only to enter in whichever form the Vatican felt would be the most appropriate, The tone of the petition is penitential: note the last lines of the petition which state: “We in the ALCC have no ambition but to return to the Holy Mother Church. Your Prodigal Child has returned and is at your door step. Holy Father, please let us in.”

The CDF, after due consideration made the determination that the ALCC is to enter through the provisions of the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum coetibus. All the ALCC has done is to accept the CDF’s instructions unconditionally in writing, with a copy of the CDF’s Letter of Instruction as an attachment.

The ALCC will not question Rome’s decisions now or when we are finally absorbed into the Catholic Church. Someone once asked another of the ALCC’s bishops what it would do once inside the Catholic Church. His response was “whatever the Holy Father asks us to do.” I enthusiastically second that.

Blessings.
  • Irl Gladfelter
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I thought I’ld be the first to say this to you, since this seems to be an almost certainty now, the bridge is open, and the Holy Father waits for you with open arms

Welcome home, and may God bless you
 
IAGladfelter said:
The CDF is the dicastery which is setting up the various national Ordinariates, and it is the CDF which sent the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC) a letter of instruction signed by its Secretary, Archbishop Ladaria, to enter the Catholic Church (quoting the letter of instruction) “through the procedures of Anglicanorum coetibus.”

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His response was “whatever the Holy Father asks us to do.” I enthusiastically second that.
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Hi, Irl…sorry, I do not know what to address you (Bishop, Father…) but pardon me ahead…

I just want to say that ALCC’s humility in that last statement of yours is very heartwarming. It is this display of humbleness, IMHO, that has led you back to full communion with Christ and His Church. And may I say, I think you are setting the example for all those wishing or contemplating communion with the CC.

God bless and Godspeed…
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IAGladfelter said:
The CDF is the dicastery which is setting up the various national Ordinariates, and it is the CDF which sent the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC) a letter of instruction signed by its Secretary, Archbishop Ladaria, to enter the Catholic Church (quoting the letter of instruction) “through the procedures of Anglicanorum coetibus.”

In its 2009 petition to Rome, (which you may read for yourself toward the bottom of the page of the following web site: stmichaelsalcc.org/News.dsp , did not ask to enter through the Ordinariate, only to enter in whichever form the Vatican felt would be the most appropriate, The tone of the petition is penitential: note the last lines of the petition which state: “We in the ALCC have no ambition but to return to the Holy Mother Church. Your Prodigal Child has returned and is at your door step. Holy Father, please let us in.”

The CDF, after due consideration made the determination that the ALCC is to enter through the provisions of the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum coetibus. All the ALCC has done is to accept the CDF’s instructions unconditionally in writing, with a copy of the CDF’s Letter of Instruction as an attachment.

The ALCC will not question Rome’s decisions now or when we are finally absorbed into the Catholic Church. Someone once asked another of the ALCC’s bishops what it would do once inside the Catholic Church. His response was “whatever the Holy Father asks us to do.” I enthusiastically second that.

Blessings.
  • Irl Gladfelter
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Bishop Gladfelter,

On the Virtue On Line website and another associated with it, they claim that the ALCC accepts the 39 Articles in the BCP. Is this true? The Articles are very protestant in nature and deny many of the Catholic Churches teachings. The also said that there is only one website if you go to any of the listed ALCC parishes and they refer back to the same website. There are other accusations, however you must understand that these websites are anti anyone entering the Ordinariate and hold themselves up to be “Pope” against evnr other Continuing groups of Anglicans, except their own.

Not to question the ALCC’s true intent or belief that the Catholic Church is where they are being led, but to clarify these types of statements.

Anglicans entering the Ordinariate have just ignored these trouble makers and some of those involved with the Ordinariate do at times post a response to the comment section.

Thank you for clarifying the ALCC’s position of these matters.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
BernadetteM said:
I just read that the Anglo Lutheran Catholic Church will be allowed to enter the Ordinariate for Anglicans. …
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At which point, it will cease to exist as a separate entity, I suppose.

Has it been determined that the bishops of the ALCC will be allowed to serve as priests?

Is the ALCC being instructed to turn over it’s assets to the Ordinariate?
 
Hesychios said:
At which point, it will cease to exist as a separate entity, I suppose.

Has it been determined that the bishops of the ALCC will be allowed to serve as priests?

Is the ALCC being instructed to turn over it’s assets to the Ordinariate?
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I have no idea. The head of the ALCC is the one who announced the information. If you go to post #6, you can read what he has to say on this thread.

I would assume their clergy would go through the same process that the Anglican priests are going through.

Wish I knew more.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
Hesychios said:
At which point, it will cease to exist as a separate entity, I suppose.

Has it been determined that the bishops of the ALCC will be allowed to serve as priests?

Is the ALCC being instructed to turn over it’s assets to the Ordinariate?
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Interesting question, Hesychios, about the assets.

The Anglo-Lutheran Catholic denomination has 11,000 baptized members. Are they converting en masse? I had never heard of them. Interesting combination of church observances and beliefs in their title -Anglo…Lutheran…Catholic
 
On another website Bishop Gladfelter stated that they celebrate either the OF or Anglican Use liturgies.

There are Lutherans in some churches, as I recall seeing years ago, that celebrate a very catholic form of the Mass and also have statues etc.

I assume they were what Anglicans call high church Lutherans before leaving the Missouri Synod.

I am sure that Rome will be deligent in their decision in allowing them to enter the Ordinariate. There have been many former Lutherans who have become Catholic priests.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
BernadetteM said:
Bishop Gladfelter,

On the Virtue On Line website and another associated with it, they claim that the ALCC accepts the 39 Articles in the BCP. Is this true? The Articles are very protestant in nature and deny many of the Catholic Churches teachings. The also said that there is only one website if you go to any of the listed ALCC parishes and they refer back to the same website.
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If you check the ALCC’s websites, you will find that the ALCC accepts the 39 Articles of Religion but not as written in the Book of Common Prayer.

The ALCC accepts the 39 Articles of Religion only insofar as they are in agreement with Catholic teaching as reconciled with Catholic teaching by Blessed John Henry Cardinal Henry Cardinal Newman in Tracts for the Times and Tract 99 by its author.

The results is then accepted only insofar as they are in agreement with the teachings of the current Ordinary and Sacred Magisterium as summarized in the current Catechism of the Catholic Church.

In the end, then, at the bottom line, what the ALCC actually accepts as binding on consciences are the teachings of the current Ordinary and Sacred Magisterium as summarized in the current Catechism of the Catholic Church.

As far as websites about the ALCC are concerned, I refer you to the following ones:
  1. anglolutherancatholic.org
  2. orgsites.com/pa/rac
  3. ecclnet.org
  4. stmichaelsalcc.org
  5. stmichaelsalcc.org/News.dsp
Blessings,
  • Irl
 
IAGladfelter said:
If you check the ALCC’s websites, you will find that the ALCC accepts the 39 Articles of Religion but not as written in the Book of Common Prayer.

The ALCC accepts the 39 Articles of Religion only insofar as they are in agreement with Catholic teaching as reconciled with Catholic teaching by Blessed John Henry Cardinal Henry Cardinal Newman in Tracts for the Times and Tract 99 by its author.

The results is then accepted only insofar as they are in agreement with the teachings of the current Ordinary and Sacred Magisterium as summarized in the current Catechism of the Catholic Church.

In the end, then, at the bottom line, what the ALCC actually accepts as binding on consciences are the teachings of the current Ordinary and Sacred Magisterium as summarized in the current Catechism of the Catholic Church.

As far as websites about the ALCC are concerned, I refer you to the following ones:
  1. anglolutherancatholic.org
  2. orgsites.com/pa/rac
  3. ecclnet.org
  4. stmichaelsalcc.org
  5. stmichaelsalcc.org/News.dsp
Blessings,
  • Irl
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Your Grace,

I am very pleased to hear about this latest development in regard to the ALCC communion into full communion with the Catholic Church. Let me be among the first among CAF’ers to welcome you to the Catholic Church. May God His Majesty grant you His peace along the way, and we will glorify God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost now and forever. Amen.
 
Dale_M said:
Perhaps I am being overly cautious, but does this mean that the ALCC has been accepted into the ordinariate, or that the Catholic Church is considering them for it?

theanglocatholic.com/2011/02/our-family-is-growing/

I’m pretty dense when it comes to the subtleties of church-speak, so maybe I am off-base, but to me the letter sounds as if the ALCC is being formally considered for the ordinariate, not that it has been already included. What do others think?
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In answer to the ALCC-s 2009 petition to enter the Roman Catholic Church (the full text of which is online toward the bottom of the website, stmichaelsalcc.org/News.dsp , the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has sent the ALCC a Letter of Instruction directing it to enter the Catholic Church “through the provisions of Anglicanorum coetibus.” The ALCC has formally accepted the terms and provisions of that Letter unconditionally in writing. The process is under way.
 
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Interesting question, Hesychios, about the assets.

The Anglo-Lutheran Catholic denomination has 11,000 baptized members. Are they converting en masse? I had never heard of them. Interesting combination of church observances and beliefs in their title -Anglo…Lutheran…Catholic
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The ALCC has very little in corporate assets, and as a corporation, owns no real estate itself. If asked to turn over to elements of the Catholic Church the corporate assets it does own, the ALCC will gladly do so.

As stated elsewhere, the ALCC intends to do anything and everything the Catholic Church asks of it immediately whenever asked.

Blessings,
  • Irl
 
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