Anguish, pain, shock in Muslim community after San Bernardino shooting

[zz912]

This appears to me to assume that radicalization is an instantaneous event rather than a longer process. I would think that as an individual slowly becomes radicalized (in any ideology really) their speech and actions proportionally become more radical and their association with more moderate members of the group wanes inversely. This would imply that there exists a bit of time for the tell tale signs to be observed by the moderates for them to proactively do or say something about it.

Furthermore you have individuals who while they themselves wouldn’t act radically nevertheless stoke the flames of radicalism in other ways, which in turn leaves an impression on others leading to their own radicalization. It’s odd that while individuals like Carly Fiorina are sometimes implicated as having facilitated anti-abortion radicals like Robert Dear through their incisive speech (e.g. the contentious PP video she allegedly saw), and other conservatives for not speaking out against Carly Fiorina initially for sparking the flames, little seems to be said of Muslims who do next to nothing about radicalization within their own community. While I hate the way Muslims are being generalized and scapegoated for the acts of the relative few, there is a problem with “moderate Muslims” not voting with their feet and dollars. “Fixing” Islamic extremism is not the job of non-Muslims. They need to clean their own house.

This a pretty uncharitable and almost slanderous post. Carly Fiorina accurately describing the horrific evils of Planned Parenthood is not responsible for the actions of the clearly mentally ill Robert Dear. We don’t even have decent information about why he attacked or was even there. He was inside the Planned Parenthood for 5 hours and didn’t harm or kill anyone in there. He only shot at LEO’s and those outside. We only have a third-hand claim that he said something about baby parts. We don’t have anything official or interviews of the man.

And the fact that we have so many days that have passed, and so little information about him gives a hint that the narrative the media has tried to portray about him and his attack is false. The more days that pass with no real info released about him, the more convinced I become the narrative is false.

 

[Padres1969]

He went to pray every single day at the mosque. They had multiple young men coming and going at all hours of the day and night from their apartment. This is a group of radical muslims we are talking about here. It’s not a lone wolf. And they are known in the community.

So he went to pray every day? That’s not indicative of anything sinister, if it were I suspect many on this site would be suspected criminals.

As for people coming and going from the apartment at all hours I’ve not seen anything about that in the press. Would you care to provide a link? All I’ve seen is that Farook may have been talking to some suspected terrorists in the US and possibly overseas but they’ve been thus far described as “soft connections.”

So far everything I’ve read says they were known in the community, but not as radicals and that the radicalization was surprising to everyone.

 

[lax16]

As I said though, I highly doubt they go around to their non-radical family and friends espousing extreme radical ideals of bombing and mass killing (ie: Daesh or Al Queda levels of radicalism). Just expressing base conservative ideals does not make one a would be terrorist that someone would report to authorities.

No, unfortunately they just hang around at home making bombs and planning attacks while their family doesn’t seem to know what they are up to. This is ridiculous and a way of doing what the mob wives/families used to do: I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing.

I mean look at it from a Christian perspective. I consider many of the orthodox stances of Catholicism to be ultra conservative (dare I say even radical). Doesn’t mean I expect a anyone who espouses those ideals to go firebombing a building. Same can be said of most Muslims, even conservative one. There’s a reason most of the people who get radicalized family are quoted shortly there after as having no idea they were even conservative or capable of such things. They usually aren’t aware. The only people who know are usually those that radicalized them or that they’re working with to further their Islamist goals (and I highly doubt their going to report their handiwork to the authorities).

It seems Muslims aren’t aware but maybe aren’t asking either? I know many ultra conservative Catholics and have had disagreements with them over their self-righteous behavior. They may think others aren’t good enough and gossip about who is on birth control, but they have yet to commit an act of terror in the name of the Catholic Church.

But you are right to say to always look at the situation from a Christian perspective. I have to remind myself of that everyday.

 

[Padres1969]

No, unfortunately they just hang around at home making bombs and planning attacks while their family doesn’t seem to know what they are up to. This is ridiculous and a way of doing what the mob wives/families used to do: I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing.

It seems Muslims aren’t aware but maybe aren’t asking either? I know many ultra conservative Catholics and have had disagreements with them over their self-righteous behavior. They may think others aren’t good enough and gossip about who is on birth control, but they have yet to commit an act of terror in the name of the Catholic Church.

But you are right to say to always look at the situation from a Christian perspective. I have to remind myself of that everyday.

Well as someone who lived in apartments/town homes for many years my perspective is hat friends and family genuinely can have no idea about what happens inside the house. Neighbors too. I mean I couldn’t even tell you when my neighbors are home or not never mind what genre doing in their garages. And I certainly don’t monitor their comings or goings close enough that I could report something to the police should something untoward be happening. And I suspect I’m not unique in that regard.