Animal Rights

[wabrams]

PETA has brought alot of things to light that would’ve otherwise been ignored.I don’t agree with everything they say or do.But,in this instance they may be seen as having done SOME good.

AS for ELF,…well,…anybody that employs terrorist tactics is evil.

So you think PETA has done some good…ok. But then you say that anyone who uses terrorist tactics is evil…sounds good to me. If you have read much about PETA, I think you would be shocked at their tactics.

 

[marietta]

No - you can still keep the cats. Feed them table scraps. Don’t send them fro grooming or nail clipping or training or etc…

Cats should eat cat food. Save the human table scraps for needy humans.

marietta

 

[CatsAndDogs]

PETA are the people who equate ham with the Jewish Holocaust.

There’s something INCREDIBLY (funny and) ironic in that statement, somewhere.

I’m just not quite sure where.

I can just see the Masad (מסד) and PETA, fighting side by side on the battlefield, Uzi’s and Molotov cocktail’s (respectively) arrayed against Oscar “The Apostate” Meyer and his ham-handed hordes!

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“Future Meyertrooper”

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[marietta]

I think it’s fine for people to have pets, but the pet industry is out of control. Dogs don’t need clothing, grooming and dog treats, psychology and luxury items. Dogs are dogs. Actually table scraps are good for dogs, they don’t even need special dog food. A dog can be a watchdog, a companion, a hunting animal, a herding animal, etc. They really need to earn their keep though, because dogs were breed to help man. They get spoiled and mean-tempered if they do not have a job or purpose, just like people. Cats should roam free and kill vermin and mice.

The main thing is that people are treating thier pets like children, and pets are not children, they are animals.

Dogs should NOT eat table scraps - they can cause severe illness, such as pancreatitis, which is difficult and costly to treat. Much scientific research has gone into pet foods in the last couple of decades to improve the nutritional value and reduce the yard waste (or litter box waste). There are also foods for animals that are overweight, have kidney disease, have allergies, etc. When we assume stewardship, or ownership, of a pet, we sign on for a responsibility which can last up to 25 years.

Cats should NOT roam free - their life spans are significantly reduced due to predators, viruses, and exposure to the elements. If you ever have an opportunity to witness a cat dying of distemper you may change your song.

I pray that you have no pets.

marietta

 

[Salonika]

marietta:

Dogs should NOT eat table scraps - they can cause severe illness, such as pancreatitis, which is difficult and costly to treat.

I nearly lost my girl cat to pancreatitis some years ago - its onset was so sudden, one moment purring on my knee, almost the next yowling in a way I hope I will never hear again.

She pulled through and has only has one relapse.

When we assume stewardship, or ownership, of a pet, we sign on for a responsibility which can last up to 25 years.

Agree and we have a responsility to make sure they are cared for if we become unable to do so eg because of illness or die.

Cats should NOT roam free - their life spans are significantly reduced due to predators, viruses, and exposure to the elements. If you ever have an opportunity to witness a cat dying of distemper you may change your song.

Both of mine were used to coming and going before they moved in with me. So as a compromise they have a cat door.

 

[Sam_Maloney]

Dogs should NOT eat table scraps - they can cause severe illness, such as pancreatitis, which is difficult and costly to treat. Much scientific research has gone into pet foods in the last couple of decades to improve the nutritional value and reduce the yard waste (or litter box waste). There are also foods for animals that are overweight, have kidney disease, have allergies, etc. When we assume stewardship, or ownership, of a pet, we sign on for a responsibility which can last up to 25 years.

marietta

Sorry, gotta strongly disagree: commercial dog foods are formulated to generate profits, not health. Many have ingredients like corn and sorbitol that are potential toxins for dogs, and other nastiness like rancid fats, by products too foul even for use in hot dogs, and the contents of cattle stomachs ‘animal digest’].

A slice of roast beef, boned turkey or chicken, or even the [occsional] french fry that would otherwise end up in the trash is way better for your pet, your pocket book, and the planet than most of this overpriced, over processed junk.

But you do need to be a savy, educated pet owner. Part of that is not trusting everything a pet food manufacturer says…

 

[Sam_Maloney]

There’s something INCREDIBLY (funny and) ironic in that statement, somewhere.

I’m just not quite sure where.

I can just see the Masad (מסד) and PETA, fighting side by side on the battlefield, Uzi’s and Molotov cocktail’s (respectively) arrayed against Oscar “The Apostate” Meyer and his ham-handed handed hordes
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Bizzare, isn’t it? But that’s the claim they made.

They had a ‘Holocaust on your plate’ ad campaign a couple years ago. Featured a picture of a ham dinner. Compared the numbers of pigs we eat to Hitler’s victims. Jewish leaders weren’t amused, so I doubt you’d see MOSAD and PETA shoulder to shoulder-- quite the contrary.

They aren’t just exagerating for effect, either. The leadership of the group truly believes that a human life is no more valuable than a pigs, a rats, guppies.

It amazes me how much support they have from people who claim to be Catholic.

 

[Zooey]

[sign1]Note:This subject always gets people angry; let’s try to behave ourselves for once, OK?[/sign1]

OK, that said: Yes, animals have a right to decent & humane treatment. They are part of God’s creation, & should be treated as such.
That does not mean that I do not believe that humans come first…It means that, to be human is to accept the responsibility for being the stewards of God’s creeation.

So you don’t think that animal rights groups like PETA are too extreme?

Now…about PETA…
I live near the folks who raise animals for essential medical research. (Not for testing Glow-In-The-Dark-Fuchsia Mascara). Periodically, PETA raids them…The result is always the same: When the people come to work (or to answer a late night police report of a break-in), PETA has let the animals out of their cages…and killed them.
Methodically, slicing their throats, poisoning them, you name it; whatever the chosen method, if this http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/25.gif ] is “animal rights”, I will personally take vanilla.
So will my much beloved cat, who eats 9-Lives canned, & Purina Cat Chow.
And if you knew what goes into pet food, you wouldn’t begrudge it to pets! Do you really want cow brains http://bestsmileys.com/sick/9.gif&:eek: sheep lungshttp://bestsmileys.com/sick/9.gif & pigs’ reproductive organshttp://bestsmileys.com/sick/9.gif for your dinner???http://bestsmileys.com/puking/5.gif
I didn’t think so…

The ASPCA is a wonderful organization. So are local Humane Societies. They take care of animals (including the thankless job of euthanizing animals who are too sick or injured or brutalized to rehabilitate).
Someone mentioned the RSPCA: Britain’s version of the ASPCA; also a fine group of people.
None of these folks are guilty of holding animals above humans…and neither are they guilty, like the PETA folks, of being on record as opposed to any & all companion animals. (They think animals are better off dead than being pets. I think they’re, not to put too fine a point on it, as crazy as bedbugs).

 

[marietta]

Sorry, gotta strongly disagree: commercial dog foods are formulated to generate profits, not health. Many have ingredients like corn and sorbitol that are potential toxins for dogs, and other nastiness like rancid fats, by products too foul even for use in hot dogs, and the contents of cattle stomachs ‘animal digest’].

A slice of roast beef, boned turkey or chicken, or even the [occsional] french fry that would otherwise end up in the trash is way better for your pet, your pocket book, and the planet than most of this overpriced, over processed junk.

But you do need to be a savy, educated pet owner. Part of that is not trusting everything a pet food manufacturer says…

Every commercial product on the planet is developed to generate profits. Commercial release and marketing of special-needs and prescription pet foods does not point to greed on the part of the manufacturers, nor does it indicate that the products fail in their attempts to reduce weight, support renal function in the presence of renal failure, or eliminate allergens which cause so many problems for cats and dogs. I’m not speaking about Alpo or Ol’ Roy. The foods recommended in my AAHA Animal Hospital are higher-quality over the counter foods with a good track record, or prescription foods for medical concerns. Science Diet, Purina, IVD - they all make prescription foods and the results of changing pets to these foods when an alternative is needed are quite remarkable.

Boiled chicken with rice? A good bland diet for an upset stomach. Boiled ground beef and rice? Same. A steady diet of table food? Insanity. Too much fat and sodium, and not a balance of what a cat or a dog needs. It’s been pointed out over and over that pets are not people - best not to feed them as people.

marietta

 

[Oscarthecat]

Dogs should NOT eat table scraps - they can cause severe illness, such as pancreatitis, which is difficult and costly to treat. Much scientific research has gone into pet foods in the last couple of decades to improve the nutritional value and reduce the yard waste (or litter box waste). There are also foods for animals that are overweight, have kidney disease, have allergies, etc. When we assume stewardship, or ownership, of a pet, we sign on for a responsibility which can last up to 25 years.

pet food as we know it has only been around since the late 1800’s…
Dogs did pretty well for thousands of years hunting and eating table scraps.

Cats should NOT roam free - their life spans are significantly reduced due to predators, viruses, and exposure to the elements. If you ever have an opportunity to witness a cat dying of distemper you may change your song.

Can’t agree with you more on this for people who live in an urban or suburban area. We have several cats, and they’re indoors at all times.

But then again, cats didn’t evolve to live in houses.

 

[marietta]

**Oscarthecat writes: **
" . . . pet food as we know it has only been around since the late 1800’s . . . Dogs did pretty well for thousands of years hunting and eating table scraps."

Consider the food humans were eating in the U.S. in the late 1800s. Then think about the junk we eat every day. Dyes, preservatives, fillers, all kinds of contaminants. If dogs were out hunting and eating table scraps today as they did in the 1800s, then perhaps we wouldn’t have had to develop commercial dog foods. There are many foods that are harmful to dogs today as they have been all along:

avocados
chocolate
coffee
onions and onion powder
grapes and raisins
macadamia nuts
alcoholic beverages
moldy or spoiled foods
salt
fatty foods
gum, candies or other foods sweetened with xylitol
tea leaves
raw yeast dough
turkey, chicken and other small animal bones

Plants, decorations, household items of all kinds - often dogs will eat these thinking they’re treats. I’m saying be aware of what is within their reach. Now, I don’t have a problem with giving a dog a piece of a roast or chicken. But these bits do not provide a balanced nutritional diet and should not comprise the total of a dog’s daily diet. We domesticated them; we are responsible for their well-being.

marietta

 

[Sam_Maloney]

Re: pet food–

I guess it all depends on what’s coming off your table. But saying pets can’t live on people food is simply incorrect. Some stuff we eat is problematic for dogs, but so are a LOT of the ingredients in ‘mainstream’ pet foods.

The line that table scraps will kill your pet is one that General Mills and the other mainstream companies have been trying to push for years.

By all means, be a responsible pet owner, understand what you are feeding, and that some stuff that’s good for you, isn’t good for them.

 

[marietta]

Re: pet food–

I guess it all depends on what’s coming off your table. But saying pets can’t live on people food is simply incorrect. Some stuff we eat is problematic for dogs, but so are a LOT of the ingredients in ‘mainstream’ pet foods.

The line that table scraps will kill your pet is one that General Mills and the other mainstream companies have been trying to push for years.

By all means, be a responsible pet owner, understand what you are feeding, and that some stuff that’s good for you, isn’t good for them.

Have you heard of obesity in dogs? How do they get that way?

Table food. A soft-hearted, emotionally-based relationship with a cat or a dog can lead to obesity. I see it every single day at work. Two months ago I assisted in a euthanasia of a beagle that weighed 89 pounds. I often have clients come into the hospital who have to take ten minutes to remove the rhinestone-studded harness that envelops the dog over a hand-knitted sweater with hearts and lip prints appliqued onto it, so we can weigh the dog and examine it. Three weeks ago one of these doting owners told me the dog had never had dog food a day in its life - it ate four hot dogs a day and two mints. It also ate ice cream every time they went to the bank together. Under the sweater the dog was emaciated and had serious skin issues. There’s no way to explain to this type of pet owner that what they are doing is detrimental to the health of the pet. This same woman was in because her dog had a torn toenail. One look at his medical record showed us that he hadn’t been in for vaccines in 5 years, either.

But I’m sure I will run into the old vaccine danger saw here, so what’s the point in trying to educate?

marietta

 

[LeroyCRHP]

I believe in animal rights, my personal opinion, PETA is right on many issues but goes to far. I guess I’m not ready to be vegetarian or not wear leather.

FROM THE PETA WEBSITE:
Why Animal Rights?
Almost all of us grew up eating meat, wearing leather, and going to circuses and zoos. We never considered the impact of these actions on the animals involved. For whatever reason, you are now asking the question: Why should animals have rights? LEARN MORE.

Animals Are Not Ours to Eat
Animals Are Not Ours to Wear
Animals Are Not Ours to Experiment On
Animals Are Not Ours to Use for Entertainment
Animals Are Not Ours to Abuse in Any Way

PETA MISSION STATEMENT:

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), with more than 2.0 million members and supporters, is the largest animal rights organization in the world.

PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing trade, and in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of other issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and other “pests,” and the abuse of backyard dogs.

PETA works through public education, cruelty investigations, research, animal rescue, legislation, special events, celebrity involvement, and protest campaigns

 

[Sam_Maloney]

I believe in animal rights, my personal opinion, PETA is right on many issues but goes to far. I guess I’m not ready to be vegetarian or not wear leather.

FROM THE PETA WEBSITE:
Why Animal Rights?
Almost all of us grew up eating meat, wearing leather, and going to circuses and zoos. We never considered the impact of these actions on the animals involved. For whatever reason, you are now asking the question: Why should animals have rights? LEARN MORE.

Animals Are Not Ours to Eat
Animals Are Not Ours to Wear
Animals Are Not Ours to Experiment On
Animals Are Not Ours to Use for Entertainment
Animals Are Not Ours to Abuse in Any Way

PETA MISSION STATEMENT:

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), with more than 2.0 million members and supporters, is the largest animal rights organization in the world.

PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing trade, and in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of other issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and other “pests,” and the abuse of backyard dogs.

PETA works through public education, cruelty investigations, research, animal rescue, legislation, special events, celebrity involvement, and protest campaigns

Like the communist party’s mission statement, it’s all sweetness and light until you look closely at actual outcomes.

These are not good people who take a good thing too far: these are people who, given the choice between running over a man or an endangered lizard would hit the man, every time: there are more people, after all.

 

[buffalo]

Dogs should NOT eat table scraps - they can cause severe illness, such as pancreatitis, which is difficult and costly to treat. Much scientific research has gone into pet foods in the last couple of decades to improve the nutritional value and reduce the yard waste (or litter box waste). There are also foods for animals that are overweight, have kidney disease, have allergies, etc. When we assume stewardship, or ownership, of a pet, we sign on for a responsibility which can last up to 25 years.

Cats should NOT roam free - their life spans are significantly reduced due to predators, viruses, and exposure to the elements. If you ever have an opportunity to witness a cat dying of distemper you may change your song.

I pray that you have no pets.

marietta

Tell that to all the older people who fed their dogs table scraps all their lives.

 

[That_one_guy]

PETA are the people who equate ham with the Jewish Holacaust.

Decent people should condemn them and have nothing to do with them.

DO NOT trust any ‘information’ they ‘uncover’: it’s pure propaganda for the feeble minded.

A lot of organizations have made mistakes.
Yet,at the same time,have made beneficial contributions to humanity.Our Beloved Church,for example.How many heretics became Saints?How many innocents were burned at the stake.Does this make Her evil?
Come on,…!!!

 

[That_one_guy]

So you think PETA has done some good…ok. But then you say that anyone who uses terrorist tactics is evil…sounds good to me. If you have read much about PETA, I think you would be shocked at their tactics.

I don’t know why,…but, I am sometimes shocked by humanity in general.

 

[That_one_guy]

Cats should eat cat food. Save the human table scraps for needy humans.

marietta

I don’t know many cats that will eat vegetables.

 

[That_one_guy]

Dogs should NOT eat table scraps - they can cause severe illness, such as pancreatitis, which is difficult and costly to treat.

Particularly if the pets owners are eating a lot off unhealthy food themselves.

Much scientific research has gone into pet foods in the last couple of decades to improve the nutritional value and reduce the yard waste (or litter box waste). There are also foods for animals that are overweight, have kidney disease, have allergies, etc. When we assume stewardship, or ownership, of a pet, we sign on for a responsibility which can last up to 25 years.

Cats should NOT roam free

(yeah!They spray and poop in my garden and drive the dogs absolutely insane!)

• their life spans are significantly reduced due to predators, viruses, and exposure to the elements. If you ever have an opportunity to witness a cat dying of distemper you may change your song.

I pray that you have no pets.

marietta