Animals and sin

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I’ve been thinking about this for a while now, about whether animals can sin or not, and I just want to put out my ideas to this forum to see if anyone has any contributions or refutations to my thoughts.

Animals cannot sin nor go to heaven or purgatory or hell.

Sin is able to be defined as “doing an act contrary to God’s law.” Now, the only law God gave to animals (as well as plants) is to “Be fruitful and multiply” (Cf. Gn 1:22). Since no animals seems to want to stop doing this, they seem to never be in a state of sin. Now, in Dn 3:35-59 (part of the Deuterocanonical section The Song of the Three Young Men) the young men invoke all of creation to bless the Lord by “singing praise to Him and Highly exalting Him for ever.” Does this mean that the mountains and the stars and the moons and the seas and the rocks and the whales and the beasts and the dogs celebrate the Mass with us or pray to God with us? No, it doesn’t. This means that creation is for the higher purpose of praising God. Since we humans are the only beings who can detect God and communicate to heavenly beings via prayer, this passage only makes sense if we consider that the only purpose of creation is to please God and to help us sinners to please God in a more fruitful manner. Thus we can conclude since Heaven is a place of perfect worship of God, whatever qualities, of which we find in God’s creation that lets us worship God in a more perfect way, will also be in Heaven and the second Earth in the beatific vision.

Thus, we come to the question of whether any of God’s creation will be in Heaven besides God (who is not a created being), the angels, and humans. Heaven is the place of perfection in which creation most perfectly worships God. This begs the question “What of creation is able to worship God?” Obviously, the heavenly created beings, i.e. the angels, are able to worship God; but why? Is it because they will to worship God, or because God allows them to worship Himself? The answer must be a combination of the two, for God gives the angels their being and their power that they may worship Him, and God gives them the free will so that they can choose to worship God if they so please. Now, with our definition of Heaven, we can ask: what of God’s earthly creation will be able to enter Heaven? The answer is “only those created beings that are able to worship God,” for Heaven is the place of worshiping God. So then, what earthly creatures can worship God? It would seem that only humans can worship God for a number of reasons given in no particular order. We humans are the most beloved of all of God’s creation, as is manifest in Gn1-3. God only converses with humans, and God became only human and God’s Church clergy consists only of Humans. Jesus says in Mt 7:6 “Do not give to dogs what is Holy,” which means Holiness is given to those beings most worthy; this can be interpreted as the only creature that is able to receive Holiness from God is human, the summit of creation. Biology shows that nothing except for humans have any concept of Eternity, and one can only worship God if one has a concept of eternity, otherwise one cannot comprehend any aspect of God. Thus are the reasons why animals cannot get into Heaven. This, therefor excludes animals from purgatory, of which the only purpose is cleanse the soul so that it may get into Heaven. Also, since animals have sinned, nor are capable of the act, there must therefor be no animals in Hell.

This lengthy work is my opinion on this subject matter, and I will be glad to see your responses, and am curious to see different points of view so that we may come closer to the truth.
 
The elements of sin are acts done with knowledge, freedom, voluntariness and moral evil. If one of these four is not present, the act is not a sin. Among the animals (scientifically considered), only human beings have freedom. No other animal, therefore, can commit sin.

God gave a life principle (soul) that survive separation from the body only to human beings. It is clear to me that no soul of a non-human survives death or separation from the body. I will never venture to look for souls of animals, other than man, beyond this life on earth.
 
I’ve been thinking about this for a while now, about whether animals can sin or not, and I just want to put out my ideas to this forum to see if anyone has any contributions or refutations to my thoughts.

Animals cannot sin nor go to heaven or purgatory or hell.

Sin is able to be defined as “doing an act contrary to God’s law.” Now, the only law God gave to animals (as well as plants) is to “Be fruitful and multiply” (Cf. Gn 1:22). Since no animals seems to want to stop doing this, they seem to never be in a state of sin. Now, in Dn 3:35-59 (part of the Deuterocanonical section The Song of the Three Young Men) the young men invoke all of creation to bless the Lord by “singing praise to Him and Highly exalting Him for ever.” Does this mean that the mountains and the stars and the moons and the seas and the rocks and the whales and the beasts and the dogs celebrate the Mass with us or pray to God with us? No, it doesn’t. This means that creation is for the higher purpose of praising God. Since we humans are the only beings who can detect God and communicate to heavenly beings via prayer, this passage only makes sense if we consider that the only purpose of creation is to please God and to help us sinners to please God in a more fruitful manner. Thus we can conclude since Heaven is a place of perfect worship of God, whatever qualities, of which we find in God’s creation that lets us worship God in a more perfect way, will also be in Heaven and the second Earth in the beatific vision.

Thus, we come to the question of whether any of God’s creation will be in Heaven besides God (who is not a created being), the angels, and humans. Heaven is the place of perfection in which creation most perfectly worships God. This begs the question “What of creation is able to worship God?” Obviously, the heavenly created beings, i.e. the angels, are able to worship God; but why? Is it because they will to worship God, or because God allows them to worship Himself? The answer must be a combination of the two, for God gives the angels their being and their power that they may worship Him, and God gives them the free will so that they can choose to worship God if they so please. Now, with our definition of Heaven, we can ask: what of God’s earthly creation will be able to enter Heaven? The answer is “only those created beings that are able to worship God,” for Heaven is the place of worshiping God. So then, what earthly creatures can worship God? It would seem that only humans can worship God for a number of reasons given in no particular order. We humans are the most beloved of all of God’s creation, as is manifest in Gn1-3. God only converses with humans, and God became only human and God’s Church clergy consists only of Humans. Jesus says in Mt 7:6 “Do not give to dogs what is Holy,” which means Holiness is given to those beings most worthy; this can be interpreted as the only creature that is able to receive Holiness from God is human, the summit of creation. Biology shows that nothing except for humans have any concept of Eternity, and one can only worship God if one has a concept of eternity, otherwise one cannot comprehend any aspect of God. Thus are the reasons why animals cannot get into Heaven. This, therefor excludes animals from purgatory, of which the only purpose is cleanse the soul so that it may get into Heaven. Also, since animals have sinned, nor are capable of the act, there must therefor be no animals in Hell.

This lengthy work is my opinion on this subject matter, and I will be glad to see your responses, and am curious to see different points of view so that we may come closer to the truth.
Animals cannot sin and their souls cease to exist when animals die, therefore will not be in Hell, Purgatory or Heaven.
This is supported by the Church teaching that from creation man (not animals) is ordered to a supernatural end.
 
I’ve been thinking about this for a while now, about whether animals can sin or not, and I just want to put out my ideas to this forum to see if anyone has any contributions or refutations to my thoughts.

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Animals are NOT human; how could they possibly sin? They have no knowledge of reason, so what would they be accounted for.

My own personal concept, ANIMALS cannot sin.
 
They are not sentient beings so no, they cannot sin.
Actually they are sentient beings as they are capable of feeling pain and emotions to an extent. From a Catholic point of view, they are not made in the image of God however that is not the same as saying they are not sentient.
A plant on the other hand, is living but not sentient.
 
Animals were created with willful motion and instinct; unlike plants, they can move where they want to, and unlike humans, they are not made in God’s image.

Without a soul made in His image they cannot, as God did, create abstract ideas from nothing. Without a soul, there is no condemnations of animals to anywhere, or salvation of animals from anywhere. Whether or not they will be in Heaven anyway is an interesting question.

Since God seperated His earthly, living Creation in three levels (plants, animals, and humans), maybe, He has a criteria and judgement for mankind’s entry into heaven, and a different rules for animals and plants.
I’ve been thinking about this for a while now, about whether animals can sin or not, and I just want to put out my ideas to this forum to see if anyone has any contributions or refutations to my thoughts.

Animals cannot sin nor go to heaven or purgatory or hell.

Sin is able to be defined as “doing an act contrary to God’s law.” Now, the only law God gave to animals (as well as plants) is to “Be fruitful and multiply” (Cf. Gn 1:22). Since no animals seems to want to stop doing this, they seem to never be in a state of sin. Now, in Dn 3:35-59 (part of the Deuterocanonical section The Song of the Three Young Men) the young men invoke all of creation to bless the Lord by "singing praise to Him and Highly exalting Him for ever."

Does this mean that the mountains and the stars and the moons and the seas and the rocks and the whales and the beasts and the dogs celebrate the Mass with us or pray to God with us? No, it doesn’t. This means that creation is for the higher purpose of praising God. Since we humans are the only beings who can detect God and communicate to heavenly beings via prayer, this passage only makes sense if we consider that the only purpose of creation is to please God and to help us sinners to please God in a more fruitful manner. Thus we can conclude since Heaven is a place of perfect worship of God, whatever qualities, of which we find in God’s creation that lets us worship God in a more perfect way, will also be in Heaven and the second Earth in the beatific vision.

Thus, we come to the question of whether any of God’s creation will be in Heaven besides God (who is not a created being), the angels, and humans. Heaven is the place of perfection in which creation most perfectly worships God. This begs the question “What of creation is able to worship God?” Obviously, the heavenly created beings, i.e. the angels, are able to worship God; but why? Is it because they will to worship God, or because God allows them to worship Himself? The answer must be a combination of the two, for God gives the angels their being and their power that they may worship Him, and God gives them the free will so that they can choose to worship God if they so please. Now, with our definition of Heaven, we can ask: what of God’s earthly creation will be able to enter Heaven? The answer is “only those created beings that are able to worship God,” for Heaven is the place of worshiping God. So then, what earthly creatures can worship God? It would seem that only humans can worship God for a number of reasons given in no particular order. We humans are the most beloved of all of God’s creation, as is manifest in Gn1-3. God only converses with humans, and God became only human and God’s Church clergy consists only of Humans. Jesus says in Mt 7:6 “Do not give to dogs what is Holy,” which means Holiness is given to those beings most worthy; this can be interpreted as the only creature that is able to receive Holiness from God is human, the summit of creation. Biology shows that nothing except for humans have any concept of Eternity, and one can only worship God if one has a concept of eternity, otherwise one cannot comprehend any aspect of God. Thus are the reasons why animals cannot get into Heaven. This, therefor excludes animals from purgatory, of which the only purpose is cleanse the soul so that it may get into Heaven. Also, since animals have sinned, nor are capable of the act, there must therefor be no animals in Hell.

This lengthy work is my opinion on this subject matter, and I will be glad to see your responses, and am curious to see different points of view so that we may come closer to the truth.
 
Well, animals were made with the ability to move wherever they wanted, they’re driven by instinct, unlike plants. But they are not driven by souls, made in the image of God and given the power to create and contemplate abstract, artificial constructs. Without a soul, they cannot be condemned to anywhere or recieve salvation from anything. Whether or not they will be in Heaven anyway is a different question.

Maybe, because God created three seperate levels of creation, He has seperate criteria for each level on their entry into Heaven.
 
Well, animals were made with the ability to move wherever they wanted, they’re driven by instinct, unlike plants. But they are not driven by souls, made in the image of God and given the power to create and contemplate abstract, artificial constructs. Without a soul, they cannot be condemned to anywhere or recieve salvation from anything. Whether or not they will be in Heaven anyway is a different question.

Maybe, because God created three seperate levels of creation, He has seperate criteria for each level on their entry into Heaven.
Animals do have souls. Its just that they are not the immortal spiritual souls that we have.
An animal soul ceases to exist when the animal dies.
 
Animals cannot sin and their souls cease to exist when animals die, therefore will not be in Hell, Purgatory or Heaven.
This is supported by the Church teaching that from creation man (not animals) is ordered to a supernatural end.
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Animals canot sin because:
Are they humans?

Can they reason?

Do they have a body?

Do they have a soul when they die?

God bless you
 
How do you know this for certain?
Because the Church teaches that it is humans (from all creation) that have immortal souls and a supernatural end.
Animals do not have immortal souls and do not have a supernatural end.
When they die their souls cease to exist.
 
Because the Church teaches that it is humans (from all creation) that have immortal souls and a supernatural end.
Animals do not have immortal souls and do not have a supernatural end.
When they die their souls cease to exist.
That we (humans) have a supernatural end does not mean that non-human animals do not. I find it hard to believe anything created by God just ceases to exist. Does it state anywhere in the Catechism that this specifically happens, because humans have an immortal soul?
 
That we (humans) have a supernatural end does not mean that non-human animals do not. I find it hard to believe anything created by God just ceases to exist. Does it state anywhere in the Catechism that this specifically happens, because humans have an immortal soul?
CCC 367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people “wholly”, with “spirit and soul and body” kept sound and blameless at the Lord’s coming. The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul. “Spirit” signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.

That means only humans have a supernatural end.
 
No they do not “sin”…

Though cats and boxers…go to heaven…

as for other dogs…well they get reincarnated until they become boxers

(Actually …perhaps for those of us with pets…they can be recreated with “the new heavens and new earth…”)
 
CCC 367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people “wholly”, with “spirit and soul and body” kept sound and blameless at the Lord’s coming. The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul. “Spirit” signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.

That means only humans have a supernatural end.
The passage does not say anything about animals - it does not compare human beings to anything else - though it does seem to suggest that there can exist living things without a ‘spirit’ as such.

I have never found anything to suggest that believing animals might go to heaven is against Catholicism. Some priests seem to think they do, some dont.
 
The passage does not say anything about animals - it does not compare human beings to anything else - though it does seem to suggest that there can exist living things without a ‘spirit’ as such.

I have never found anything to suggest that believing animals might go to heaven is against Catholicism. Some priests seem to think they do, some dont.
Agreed. It was St Thomas Aquinas who came up with the position that animals and plants have the same sort of souls. It is God who decides and God loves all of His creatures. So I believe animals go to heaven, some we loved to be with us. Many animals would prefer to be in their own heaven away from humans, I would think.
 
The passage does not say anything about animals - it does not compare human beings to anything else - though it does seem to suggest that there can exist living things without a ‘spirit’ as such.

I have never found anything to suggest that believing animals might go to heaven is against Catholicism. Some priests seem to think they do, some dont.
You need new reading glasses then. It compares humans to the rest of creation which includes animals and plants!!!
 
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