Animals are more important than people

[Spirithound]

But, I am detecting a new level of anger – anyone else notice this? Recently there was a video released of a young woman throwing puppies into a river. By and large the response has been suggestions on how to horribly punish this girl, ruin her life, physically injure her, torture her, or murder her. Sometimes all of the above.

What is going on here?

Well, to answer this scientifically, we would have to observe the response to a video of a girl throwing a (post-natal) baby into a river. I suspect that as opposed to just talking about punishments, someone would actually track her down and kill her.

Now if you’re wondering whether there is a general increase in anger, internationally, that is a much more complex question and answer. I think that anger levels have increased dramatically (evidence: road rage, crime rate). The media is involved, although whether as an instigator or consequence is not obvious to me. Certainly it is also related to the general decline of morals.
One more factor in your scenario above is that your data comes from the internet. The anonymity of an internet forum can really encourage some people to be more idiotic/violent than they would be in real life.

 

[Newbie2]

Well, I don’t think that animals are MORE important than people, but I know some people who think they are, my neighbor being one of them.

I understand in the bible that there’s a passage that says that man has dominion over the creatures of the earth? I’ve seen people twist that to justify abuse of animals…
Do I think animals should be mistreated and abused? No. They are creatures who feel pain, have emotion, have a soul…we don’t have the right to mistreat them…are they BETTER than humans…well, no.

I think sometimes animals ACT better than people, but I digress…
ahem…sarcasm, in case you are not aware…

Interesting article…along the lines of this thread…
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/may/12/post83

Is it misguided society? DK.
Perhaps b/c animals are cute, cuddly and predictable? Hum.

I wonder sometimes about…us humans projecting our desires of how animals act, are represented, etc.
Wishful thinking or something? food for thought…
Look at people who think they can go into a lion’s cage and ‘pet’ the lion or “swim” with a crock or a polar bear. Yeah, that’s a bit extreme, but…you have to wonder.

I dunno…

In my experience as a veterinarian, I can do some really rude things to my patients in the course of an office visit, totally against their will, but a huge majority will be my best friend moments later with a pat on the head or a treat.

Not many people will forgive so easily.

FYI Patients=the pet, Clients=the owner Just to clarify.

 

[odile53]

In no way am I saying that animals are more important than people. And abortion is abhorrent.

However, I would like to point out that there have been psychological studies on violent criminals that discovered, among other things, that many of these people started their abusive behavior on animals before “graduating” to violence directed toward people.

I don’t think it’s an either/or situation.

 

[Rence]

But, I am detecting a new level of anger – anyone else notice this? Recently there was a video released of a young woman throwing puppies into a river. By and large the response has been suggestions on how to horribly punish this girl, ruin her life, physically injure her, torture her, or murder her. Sometimes all of the above.

What is going on here?

What is going on there is that some people feel that this woman should be punished for harming puppies, even to ruin her life, physically injure her, torture her, or murder her. I agree. If one does dispicable things to animals, who knows what they are capable of doing to children or others in their lives. You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat animals, by the way they feel animals should be treated, or by the way they feel animals are ‘disposable’ or ‘less than humans’. Yes, humans are more important that animals — to an extent. It’s NOT more important for a human to get her kicks by throwing puppies in a river. She’s not important to me at all. I wouldn’t want anything more to do with this person up to dropping her off at the admissions office at the nearest mental facility.

If some creep was on my property trying to harm one of my animals, you don’t have to wonder if I’ll start shooting at that trespasser. Know I’d do it in a heartbeat.

I have this suspicion that the moral outrage and the call for physical retaliation stems from some sort of pathology.

I agree. There is definitely something that ails a person to make them want to harm an animal.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I’m reminded of the anecdotes regarding thieves and liars who take great pains to return library books or tell the truth in certain matters . . . are we trying to over-compensate?

Well, I’ve already said what I think above. I don’t think those who try to protect animals from humans torturing or hurting them are trying to over-compensate at all. That is their mission like we all have missions. Those who hurt animals should be punished and thankfully there are people out there to see to it.

I guess it’s just as beyond me why someone would think it’s okay to harm an animal as it is beyond you to understand someone advocating for animal rights. But I guess everyone is different…

 

[rwoehmke]

Well, humans are not anywhere near going extinct, but some species go extinct on a regular basis. Got to protect those. One thing about animals that makes them lreferable to babies is that they mature in about one year instead of twenty and you can pretty much leave them alone for extended periods to do your own thing. They are generally much easier to train and learn obedience rather quickly. No temper tantrums, no baby sitter needed for periods lasting sometimes even a couple of days (milk cows, sheep, and goats being an exception. When you want to be free and still have a companion to love, there uis nothing like an animal.

 

[Verbum_Caro]

it is beyond you to understand someone advocating for animal rights.

Rence,

I don’t think I indicated any such thing in my post. My question was regarding those who call for physical violence towards a young woman.

VC

 

[Marc_Anthony]

What is going on there is that some people feel that this woman should be punished for harming puppies, even to ruin her life, physically injure her, torture her, or murder her. I agree. If one does dispicable things to animals, who knows what they are capable of doing to children or others in their lives. You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat animals, by the way they feel animals should be treated, or by the way they feel animals are ‘disposable’ or ‘less than humans’. Yes, humans are more important that animals — to an extent. It’s NOT more important for a human to get her kicks by throwing puppies in a river. She’s not important to me at all. I wouldn’t want anything more to do with this person up to dropping her off at the admissions office at the nearest mental facility.

If some creep was on my property trying to harm one of my animals, you don’t have to wonder if I’ll start shooting at that trespasser. Know I’d do it in a heartbeat.

I agree. There is definitely something that ails a person to make them want to harm an animal.

Well, I’ve already said what I think above. I don’t think those who try to protect animals from humans torturing or hurting them are trying to over-compensate at all. That is their mission like we all have missions. Those who hurt animals should be punished and thankfully there are people out there to see to it.

I guess it’s just as beyond me why someone would think it’s okay to harm an animal as it is beyond you to understand someone advocating for animal rights. But I guess everyone is different…

I agree with all of this.

Iam not an animal rights activist in the sense PETA is-PETA is, frankly, a terrorist group. Perhaps no to the extent of some of the major terrorist groups found in, say, the Middle East, but a terrorist group nonetheless. They are extremist.

But a person who will mistreat animals, especially animals as innocent as puppies is mentally disturbed.

 

[Dale_M]

Iam not an animal rights activist in the sense PETA is-PETA is, frankly, a terrorist group. Perhaps no to the extent of some of the major terrorist groups found in, say, the Middle East, but a terrorist group nonetheless. They are extremist.

While I agree that PETA is an extremist group, and have no fondness for them, perhaps calling them a terrorist organization is an overreach. I am not aware that they have ever been involved in violence or the destruction of property.

There are some US animal rights organizations which are considered by the FBI to be terrorist organization because they do engage in violence and property destruction for ideological reasons. The two best known ones are the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front.
fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm

Because those two organizations are involved in criminal activity, they exist underground and their membership is shadowy. That isn’t the case with PETA.

 

[Newbie2]

While I agree that PETA is an extremist group, and have no fondness for them, perhaps calling them a terrorist organization is an overreach. I am not aware that they have ever been involved in violence or the destruction of property.

There are some US animal rights organizations which are considered by the FBI to be terrorist organization because they do engage in violence and property destruction for ideological reasons. The two best known ones are the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front.
fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm

Because those two organizations are involved in criminal activity, they exist underground and their membership is shadowy. That isn’t the case with PETA.

PETA members participate all the time in throwing paint on people wearing fur coats.

 

[Dale_M]

PETA members participate all the time in throwing paint on people wearing fur coats.

You make a good point, but I guess I would classify that as assault rather than terrorism. Its not massive destruction such as arson or destroying research facilities or releasing 10,000 animals at a mink farm.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

PETA members participate all the time in throwing paint on people wearing fur coats.

And worse.

They have also slaughtered animals by the thousands, yet noisily campaigned against aquariums serving fish in their cafeterias, likening it to cannibalism.

They are offensive and destructive. They do not do any of the dirty work in actually helping abused animals, the way Bide-a-Wee or other true humane organizations do.

 

[buffalo]

**We are falling back to animal worship.
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Where Animal Rights Went Wrong

 

[centurionguard]

We are falling back to animal worship.

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Where Animal Rights Went Wrong

Exactly!!!

I thought Human Beings were more important than Animals.
I fail to understand how anyone could bestow greater importance on lesser creatures such as any animal aside from humans. Was it not God alone whom breathed His Spirit into the nostrils of human Man and Women alone? Animals may have some attribute of God’s spirit within them. But they are far lesser creatures of esteem in importance in Gods esteem towards human beings; even if their are some humans who morally act lesser than an animal.

 

[Rence]

Rence,

I don’t think I indicated any such thing in my post. My question was regarding those who call for physical violence towards a young woman.

VC

Well my answer (and of course you’ll get many different ones from different people) is that she has to be accountable for what she did. Having people call for physical violence towards the young woman who threw the puppies in the river, or anyone else who abuses animals, is a positive thing in my opinion. I support that. I hope these people get their hands on her. Those who abuse animals should be held accountable and punished for it – followed my a mental evaluation. It is true that humans have stewardship over animals, but that does not mean we have the right, or that it is okay, to abuse them.

 

[buffalo]

I noticed something the other day on Idol or the Talent show. A little girl singer was advanced to the next round. She was asked what she would do with the money. She answered {paraphrasing) - she would give it to the animals.

Whatever happened to feed the poor?

 

[Rence]

I noticed something the other day on Idol or the Talent show. A little girl singer was advanced to the next round. She was asked what she would do with the money. She answered {paraphrasing) - she would give it to the animals.

Whatever happened to feed the poor?

Some people are called to feed the poor and some people are called to feed the animals. I don’t see anything wrong with that. We humans are taking over their habitats and leaving them with less and less. We humans are taking them out of their environment and domesticating them - therefore we are responsible for them. We humans, by domesticating them and breeding them, are responsible for them being in shelters and causing them to be euthanized. Since the economy turned sour, many people are tossing their domesticated animals out to fend for themselves, to get into trouble, and to be rounded up and caged. The least we can do is set aside some food for them. While many people I know are donating to human needs, I don’t feel badly that I’m one of the minority to feed the animals. It’s beyond me to think that it’s ‘okay’ to just ignore our responsiblity to fix what we broke, and consider animals as merely ‘disposable’.

 

[buffalo]

Some people are called to feed the poor and some people are called to feed the animals. I don’t see anything wrong with that. We humans are taking over their habitats and leaving them with less and less. We humans are taking them out of their environment and domesticating them - therefore we are responsible for them. We humans, by domesticating them and breeding them, are responsible for them being in shelters and causing them to be euthanized. Since the economy turned sour, many people are tossing their domesticated animals out to fend for themselves, to get into trouble, and to be rounded up and caged. The least we can do is set aside some food for them. While many people I know are donating to human needs, I don’t feel badly that I’m one of the minority to feed the animals. It’s beyond me to think that it’s ‘okay’ to just ignore our responsiblity to fix what we broke, and consider animals as merely ‘disposable’.

I have no problem with good stewardship.

A leading animal rights leader claims that the earth should be limited to 300 million humans to leave room for the animals. Guess how he thinks we should accomplish this? Oh and by the way - they will be left standing.

 

[generh55]

I too have noticed people advocating animal rights. I wonder if it because the animals can’t call you or send you a letter asking for more or could you do this and why haven’t you done this for me?
Domesticated animals may lick your face or purr or something, while the rest try to return to their habitat if capable.
After saying all of this the point I’m trying to make is maybe there are less strings attached to sticking up for anmials rights than feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, getting care for the mentally challenged etc.

 

[buffalo]

I too have noticed people advocating animal rights. I wonder if it because the animals can’t call you or send you a letter asking for more or could you do this and why haven’t you done this for me?
Domesticated animals may lick your face or purr or something, while the rest try to return to their habitat if capable.
After saying all of this the point I’m trying to make is maybe there are less strings attached to sticking up for anmials rights than feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, getting care for the mentally challenged etc.

Are you suggesting this is avoidance behavior to the human condition?

 

[GEddie]

I agree with all of this.

Iam not an animal rights activist in the sense PETA is-PETA is, frankly, a terrorist group. Perhaps no to the extent of some of the major terrorist groups found in, say, the Middle East, but a terrorist group nonetheless. They are extremist.

But a person who will mistreat animals, especially animals as innocent as puppies is mentally disturbed.

I wouldn’t call PETA terrorists either; simply because no-one is “terrorized” by them. there is no collective fear or change in public life resulting from their actions; at worst some have chosen not to wear fur where they might be active.

Some long-ago Soviet once said, “The purpose of terror is to terrify.” Nobody’s terrified of PETA.

ICXC NIKA.