Animals are more important than people

[Spirithound]

Because the whole animal is used, not just the hide or the fur. It’s a complete waste to kill an animal for its hide and throw the rest of the animal away like it’s garbage. When the leather is taken, the meat is also taken. There is very little waste. At least that’s one way to answer your question.

But a leather jacket is exactly the same thing as a fur jacket, except the fur is cut off and the hide is cured.

 

[Miserys_Fence]

Because the whole animal is used, not just the hide or the fur. It’s a complete waste to kill an animal for its hide and throw the rest of the animal away like it’s garbage. When the leather is taken, the meat is also taken. There is very little waste. At least that’s one way to answer your question.

But a leather jacket is exactly the same thing as a fur jacket, except the fur is cut off and the hide is cured.

I think what Rence was getting at is that leather is only a by-product of the beef industry. If no one ate beef, I seriously doubt anyone would look at a cow and say “Hmmm, if I skinned that animal and took all the fur off, I could make some really gorgeous clothes!”

In other words–if people didn’t eat beef, there would be no leather industry. No one would kill a cow specifically for its skin.

Miz

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Because the whole animal is used, not just the hide or the fur. It’s a complete waste to kill an animal for its hide and throw the rest of the animal away like it’s garbage. When the leather is taken, the meat is also taken. There is very little waste. At least that’s one way to answer your question.

Another way is they know the bikers will beat the PETA outta them.

 

[Rence]

Rence,

What is it exactly that you support? If “these people” get their hand on her it would mean a mob tracks her down and brutalizes her. You don’t mean that, do you?

VC

Yes I mean it. I hope they get their hands on her, as well as anyone else who would brutalize an animal. Then they can send her to therapy to rewire her brain before she decides to throw an infant in the river.

 

[Rence]

But a leather jacket is exactly the same thing as a fur jacket, except the fur is cut off and the hide is cured.

You’re missing the point. A fox is trapped, killed, and skinned for its fur and the rest of it is wastefully thrown away like garbage. Some are skinned alive, which is just plain gross in addition to sadistic. There is no other use for the fox besides its fur. I’m not saying I would skin a person who skins a fox, I’m just saying, it’s a waste. However, every bit of a cow is used, in addition to the hide for leather. There’s a big difference between using an animal for necessity and using an animal for vanity.

The first US citizens wastefully skinned the hides, and left for dead, the buffalo – who were the mainstay for almost everything for native americans. If that’s not a disrespectful and brutal waste, for both the buffalo and the native americans, I don’t know what is.

 

[miniquedoes]

I have yet to see a “kill shelter” for humans There are no shelters for humans that will put them down after 7 days of being there.

Wouldn’t you consider an abortion clinic a “kill shelter?”

 

[Marc_Anthony]

Yes I mean it. I hope they get their hands on her, as well as anyone else who would brutalize an animal. Then they can send her to therapy to rewire her brain before she decides to throw an infant in the river.

Whoa-as a Catholic, I don’t support that. I hope she’s found and taken into therapy, but not brutalized.

 

[Marc_Anthony]

The point I was making is that this has penetrated deeply into the American psyche that children are now carrying the flag. Contrast this to say 20, 30, 50 and 100 years ago.

And the next question, how far do we want this to go and at what expense?

Be that as it may, trying to stop animal abuse is not a bad thing. Spin it how you want, it just isn’t, and though you’ll probably deny this, you’re acting like trying to stop animal abuse is a bad thing and anybody who tries to help animals is guilty of neglecting humans or something. They’re unfair accusations.

 

[DexUK]

Were I to have come across a person throwing animals into a river for the purpose of killing them and seemingly also for enjoyment, I must admit that I don’t think I could be very gentle with that person.

I’m not given to violence in any way, but I would almost certainly turn the air blue and make a lot of very scary noise. The person inflicting such gross and gratuitous suffering on a defenceless animal would be left in absolutely no doubt as to the unacceptability of their actions and would quite possibly be quite scared of me as well, even if I wouldn’t have laid a single finger on them or caused them injury in any way.

I think the power of righteous outrage far exceeds the impact of temporal punishment. What is missing in society is that outrage - outrage at the violence (in thought, word and deed) that is epidemic all around us: to animals, to unborn children, to families, to those who are differently abled, etc. I think that those guilty of such acts need to be made aware, somehow, of the depth AND the breadth of such outrage. The moment that people feel and understand that is the moment that their shame kicks in. And then we’re getting somewhere.

( In Britain there is a common law offence of ‘outraging public decency’ that is indictable and subject to a prison sentence. It’s commonly used for sexual offences but I would say that animal cruelty of the type mentioned would, could and should fall under such a classification as well as any other more specific criminal offences. )

 

[Spirithound]

You’re missing the point. A fox is trapped, killed, and skinned for its fur and the rest of it is wastefully thrown away like garbage. Some are skinned alive, which is just plain gross in addition to sadistic. There is no other use for the fox besides its fur. I’m not saying I would skin a person who skins a fox, I’m just saying, it’s a waste. However, every bit of a cow is used, in addition to the hide for leather. There’s a big difference between using an animal for necessity and using an animal for vanity.

The first US citizens wastefully skinned the hides, and left for dead, the buffalo – who were the mainstay for almost everything for native americans. If that’s not a disrespectful and brutal waste, for both the buffalo and the native americans, I don’t know what is.

Well you’re right, that is a waste, and skinning alive is terribly sadistic. However, it doesn’t have to be like that. Both fox meat and buffalo meat are edible. But I think we all know that using the entire animal would not satisfy PETA.

 

[hvizsgyak]

I don’t see what this has to do with the support of abortion. Many of us who love animals and abhor cruelty to animals are pro life. We are pro all life.

Unfortunately, there are alot of people out there who love animals and want more rights for them but at the same time, they support a woman's right to have an abortion. Their initial reason for their views are that women have been given this right by law and they don't want to go back to back ally abortions again. If you press them for more of an answer though you'll find that they also feel people are destroying the environment where animals live. Some will say either there are too many people on this planet and we are pushing animals out of their natural environment by building or too many people (who run or work for businesses) are polluting the environment and are careless in preserving it. And no matter how much you try to explain to them that we should be protecting both the unborn child from abortion (most importantly) and animals from physical abuse and cruelty, alot of these people don't want to hear what your saying. They are so set in their beliefs.

 

[Newbie2]

Another way is they know the bikers will beat the PETA outta them.

Wouldn’t you consider an abortion clinic a “kill shelter?”

The primary purpose of a non-“no-kill” animal shelter is to adopt out pets. Euthanizing pets that they cannot place for adoption is done out of necessity for space.

Abortion clinics have one purpose only. They have no wish to adopt the babies.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

You’re missing the point. A fox is trapped, killed, and skinned for its fur and the rest of it is wastefully thrown away like garbage. Some are skinned alive, which is just plain gross in addition to sadistic. There is no other use for the fox besides its fur. I’m not saying I would skin a person who skins a fox, I’m just saying, it’s a waste. However, every bit of a cow is used, in addition to the hide for leather. There’s a big difference between using an animal for necessity and using an animal for vanity.

The first US citizens wastefully skinned the hides, and left for dead, the buffalo – who were the mainstay for almost everything for native americans. If that’s not a disrespectful and brutal waste, for both the buffalo and the native americans, I don’t know what is.

Are you so sure God didn’t plan it that way with foxes and other fur-bearers? No sane person should eat a carnivore’s flesh, but we need fur.

Even if we just WANT fur, it’s not for you to say that we should all be like ‘Native Americans,’ who were not native to this country anyway.

PETA may behave like criminals but they’re not stupid.

Nothing excuses PETA’S thuggish and criminal acts against defenseless individuals. Which is why they steer well clear of bikers.

 

[buffalo]

Be that as it may, trying to stop animal abuse is not a bad thing. Spin it how you want, it just isn’t, and though you’ll probably deny this, you’re acting like trying to stop animal abuse is a bad thing and anybody who tries to help animals is guilty of neglecting humans or something. They’re unfair accusations.

Indeed I deny your charge.

My claim is basically this. Animals are much higher on the priority list than they were.

 

[st_lucy]

I have yet to see a “kill shelter” for humans There are no shelters for humans that will put them down after 7 days of being there.

The last time I checked there where thousands of kill shelters for humans, and thanks to our wonderful government, we now are forced to pay for them with our taxes.

 

[st_lucy]

Yes I mean it. I hope they get their hands on her, as well as anyone else who would brutalize an animal. Then they can send her to therapy to rewire her brain before she decides to throw an infant in the river.

Are you saying that you okay with hurting another being to get your point across. How is hurting her to prove that one should not hurt somone/something else going to help?

I totally agree that this woman has some issues going on and she should and must be prosecuted but I don’t understand how advocating her beating is going to solve anything! That is just as sick as her hurting the animal.

 

[LittleSoldier]

This

Its not about having more value for an animal over a child, it is about the kind of person who commits such despicable acts of cruelty.
There is nothing eccentric, un-Christian, silly or ‘New Age’ about being outraged upon hearing news of animal abuse or torture.

I’d just like to throw this in. It’s common knowledge in psychology that abuse of animals is one of the key factors present in children who become serial killers. Not only is an animal tortured, it is a symptom of a pervasive disease we don’t know how to cure.

I don’t know about adults. But I think that anyone who can torture and/or kill a helpless animal is showing such a blatant disregard for the sanctity of life that he/she is mentally disturbed or evil. Somebody like this needs some form of treatment or punishment. But as I stated above, we don’t know how to cure this if it is a disease.

No, animals are not more important than people. Oh, with one exception - my border collie who, unfortunately had to be put down a few years ago. She was definitely more important than people.

 

[Rence]

Are you saying that you okay with hurting another being to get your point across. How is hurting her to prove that one should not hurt somone/something else going to help?

I totally agree that this woman has some issues going on and she should and must be prosecuted but I don’t understand how advocating her beating is going to solve anything! That is just as sick as her hurting the animal.

Yeah, I’m okay with it. While I wouldn’t be the one doing it, I wouldn’t lift a finger to help her. I’d be the one trying to rescue the puppies (or the horse being starved, or the dog being beaten, etc.).

 

[Rence]

Wouldn’t you consider an abortion clinic a “kill shelter?”

No, I wouldn’t.

 

[Rence]

Well you’re right, that is a waste, and skinning alive is terribly sadistic. However, it doesn’t have to be like that. Both fox meat and buffalo meat are edible. But I think we all know that using the entire animal would not satisfy PETA.

They are both edible, and I wouldn’t have a problem at all if both were used to their fullest potential. But that’s not what people do. For example, no hunting is allowed on my property, but some hunters don’t hesitate (at their risk of course ) to barrel though my fencing on ATVs, shoot a deer, take the hide and antlers and leave the rest of it to rot on my property. Total waste.

I don’t care about PETA, I’m no fan of theirs either. Nothing will satisfy PETA…