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A Lion understands the difference between pray and plant. He never attack plant in order to hunt.
 
That is because he cannot think to choose otherwise. Instinct performs tasks without a will. A species of bird will always make the nest in the same fashion, etc.
 
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A Lion understands the difference between pray and plant. He never attack plant in order to hunt.
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You mean prey, not pray right?:eek:

A lion knows what it’s diet is, not the universal!
 
When a lion dictates a book on the subject of various forms of prey and plants, then I will believe that he has the power of abstract reasoning.
 
Lions are great animals. There was a case in England where two men bought a lion cub at Herrod’s Department Store. They felt sorry for it because it was kept in a cage all the time. They raised it, and named it “Christian”. This lion loved those guys, but they had to find a good place for him because he got way too big to keep him. They put him on an animal reserve in Africa. Several years later they were in Africa and wanted to see Christian again, so they went to the reserve. The lion recognized them and came right over. He gave each of the guys a big hug, and it goes to show he remembered them.
 
My rabbits & donkeys will eat hay, grass, & vegetables, but they would never eat meat (except in the case of a doe eating her young). The cats stick to meat & cat food. My chickens will eat almost anything.

That doesn’t mean they understand anything, but they have the inborn knowledge of what they can digest.
 
Animals attack plants all the time to rip them up! You have no argument.
 
  1. Nothing is better than eternal life.
  2. A ham sandwich is better than nothing.
C. A ham sandwich is better than eternal life.

QED
 
JimG said:
When a lion dictates a book on the subject of various forms of prey and plants, then I will believe that he has the power of abstract reasoning.
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We are talking about universal – not abstract reasoning. Moreover I think that animal can perform simple reasoning for solving simple problem.

Wolfgang Köhler’s (1917) work suggest (from this wiki article):
It is clear that animals of quite a range of species are capable of solving problems that appear to require abstract reasoning.
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Bonnie said:
My rabbits & donkeys will eat hay, grass, & vegetables, but they would never eat meat (except in the case of a doe eating her young). The cats stick to meat & cat food. My chickens will eat almost anything.

That doesn’t mean they understand anything, but they have the inborn knowledge of what they can digest.
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Animal are intelligent. Please read this article.
 
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That is because he cannot think to choose otherwise. Instinct performs tasks without a will.
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That is not correct. Please read this article.

Not all part of their behavior is based on instinct.
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And *your *citation, STT, claims only that it’s based on probability, rather than free will (or cognition, as it were):

“Dr Brembs and others have used mathematical models to simulate brain activity on a computer, finding that what worked best was a combination of deterministic behaviour and what is known as stochastic behaviour - which may look random but actually, in time, follows a defined set of probabilities.
As with animal behaviour, there is an underlying order and probability to a process that may appear random.”

So, that doesn’t help your thesis…
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STT:
Wolfgang Köhler’s (1917) work suggest (from this wiki article):
It is clear that animals of quite a range of species are capable of solving problems that appear to require abstract reasoning.
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Kohler’s experiments were with chimpanzees. I don’t think there are many out there who would contest that primates’ capacities aren’t far from our own – or that they’re superior to others’… 🤷
 
STT said:
We are talking about universal – not abstract reasoning. Moreover I think that animal can perform simple reasoning for solving simple problem.

Wolfgang Köhler’s (1917) work suggest (from this wiki article):
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Maybe you should define “animal” for your argument. After all, humans are animals. I know I can certainly perform simple reasoning - tho I’m not too sure of some people I meet. 😉
 
Gorgias said:
And *your *citation, STT, claims only that it’s based on probability, rather than free will (or cognition, as it were):

“Dr Brembs and others have used mathematical models to simulate brain activity on a computer, finding that what worked best was a combination of deterministic behaviour and what is known as stochastic behaviour - which may look random but actually, in time, follows a defined set of probabilities.
As with animal behaviour, there is an underlying order and probability to a process that may appear random.”

So, that doesn’t help your thesis…
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Free will sounds like stochastic behavior from third point of view. That applies even if you study human.
Gorgias said:
Kohler’s experiments were with chimpanzees. I don’t think there are many out there who would contest that primates’ capacities aren’t far from our own – or that they’re superior to others’… 🤷
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Here is a list of intelligent animals.
 
Bonnie said:
Maybe you should define “animal” for your argument. After all, humans are animals. I know I can certainly perform simple reasoning - tho I’m not too sure of some people I meet. 😉
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By animal I mean creatures except human. 🙂
 
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Well, he should be able to categorize between food and non-food. He would never eat vegetable no matter how hungry he is.
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The evangelical call to the world is founded on the expectation of conforming the will to the supreme good. Those categorizes which are earthly will pass with the earth. The universals will not pass but will be judged in the supreme good. Five universals mentioned in the writings attributed to Plato are useful in the prudence of the mind and the justice of the will: (1) perfect knowledge/truth, (2) perfect love, (3) perfect justice/goodness, (4) perfect beauty, and (5) perfect home/being

The natural world cannot obtain the sublimity of the universal. For the natural world, would cease to be natural if it could. And the first cause, out of nothing, provided the context of the universal betwixt the natural world. That is our Catholic faith. That God made the world and called it good. Good, that it may be sublime in universality, if only by obedience to the cause that made it.

After disobedience, minds of men were darkened, yet they reached for the universal by means of idols. They were dark as was their meaning with the idols. But God brought truth to their wills by the light of truth. Animals have no part in this confusion for it does not pertain to them. To say that a lion or a chimp desires perfect truth, perfect love, perfect justice etc. is an obvious falsehood and utterly ridiculous. Those who claim these things, and build their claim are those of dark minds of whom made the idols of the past, and still to this day.
 
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Yes, prey. 😃

Well, he should be able to categorize between food and non-food. He would never eat vegetable no matter how hungry he is.
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Actually, I don’t think that’s true. Cats often eat grass to help them throw up hairballs. I believe this is true of all cats.

But what is your point anyway? Birds eat seeds and worms, horses eat hay, cows eat grass, dogs eat absolutely anything, including their own vomit. What are you proving by examining the diet of different animals?
 
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