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I’ve been wanting to read a good manga with Catholic themes in it, like Ao no Exorcist or Hellsing. Has anyone read them? I’m not bothered about blood and gore, etc. Or even poor theology (or not too much at least). I’m only worried about sex and blatant anti-Catholicism, etc.
You won’t find a manga with Catholic themes. Hellsing is full of blasphemy. You may want to try Trinity Blood as it’s reasonably neutral towards the Christian faith. You could also try Ghost Hunt. It has a Buddhist priest, a Shinto priest and a Catholic priest in it. They do treat the Catholic guy respectfully and his prayers often stop the ghosts. They don’t treat the Shinto Shrine maiden very nicely though.
 
I’ve been following up on some manga during the past weekend and suddenly noticed something.

If my premonitions for each one of them are right, I would be experiencing the highest rate of series endings in the following months (at least). So far I’ve read the latest on Naruto, Negima, and recently just finished reading up to the latest chapter of Air Gear with all of them having strong hints of an impending final chapter. (Negima itself has announced that it will be ending in three chapters. O_O;; )

Whoa, just… whoa.

As of now, I only have Fairy Tail left to follow. Hm… looks like I’m off to salvage whatever unfinished series I haven’t followed up on yet. (Assuming they haven’t ended either. :p) Maybe I should now focus on Katekyo, Ao no Exorcist, and maybe even get back to D.Gray-man:hmmm:
 
Naruto still has another year in it, at least. Bleach is entering the final arc, but again, that’s going to be a good couple of years in its self.
 
A head’s up. For those who enjoy JRPGs, Gamersgate and Steam (The GG version is DRM free) have a cute Japanese RPG called FORTUNE SUMMONERS for about $20. It’s for Windows machines so no need for a console. The original Japanese version costs over 6800 Yen = 70-80 USD.
 
Have I professed my love for Milky Holmes lately? Such a hilarious series. It’s amazing the situations those girls get into.
 
I’ve been wanting to read a good manga with Catholic themes in it, like Ao no Exorcist or Hellsing. Has anyone read them? I’m not bothered about blood and gore, etc. Or even poor theology (or not too much at least). I’m only worried about sex and blatant anti-Catholicism, etc.
The Ao no Exorcist anime was pretty good. There was zero fan service or anti-Catholicism in it, so I don’t expect that the manga has any either. It started off pretty good too, poking fun at anime tropes, but then sort of went on to embrace them :confused: If you are in the U.S. I believe you should be able to watch the entire series here:
hulu.com/blue-exorcist
A head’s up. For those who enjoy JRPGs, Gamersgate and Steam (The GG version is DRM free) have a cute Japanese RPG called FORTUNE SUMMONERS for about $20. It’s for Windows machines so no need for a console. The original Japanese version costs over 6800 Yen = 70-80 USD.
I just picked this up on GamersGate since I wanted a DRM-free version. I almost paid 90 bucks for an import version years ago, I’m glad this is out now in English. 🙂 Can’t play it yet cause I’m on the road for the next month, and I only have a MacBook.
 
Naruto still has another year in it, at least. Bleach is entering the final arc, but again, that’s going to be a good couple of years in its self.
SOMEONE doesn’t have aspirations in EA or Shonen magazine me is thinking :D. Both have a bad habit of milking series dry (and the anime is even worse. 100 episode filler arc of Naruto no thanks). I mean they are running out of enemies here for Bleach (seriously I am expecting Aizen to pop back up at some point).

As for Catholic manga your gonna be hard pressed to find anything good. Hellsing shows no good Catholics, just Iscariot (Catholic assassins). Hell his latest series out by Kouta Hirano, Hellsing’s writer, called ‘Drifters’ has Joan of Arc as a villain. From wikipedia:
(Jeanne d’Arc)
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The heroine of the Hundred Years War between France and England. Joan, who was driven insane after being burned at the stake, now desires nothing more than to see the world burn. As an Ends- with her Christian crosses now upside down - she has manifested the ability to manipulate fire. Surprisingly, she seems to be self-conscious of her (lacking) femininity, though this could be another result of her insanity. In Chapter 24, Joan is defeated by Toyohisa in battle; however, she is able to flee the scene alive due to Toyohisa's personal vow to never kill a woman.
Rurouni Kenshin is a good series, about a former man slayer who vows never to kill again and wields a backwards bladed sword. It was actually this, Gundam Wing and Dragonball Z that got me into anime. youtube.com/watch?v=1v8ijEzElDY Unfortunately like a lot of old anime it diverts from the manga badly after the Shishio arc so I recommend watching the anime up till the end of that arc then picking up the manga. It is a shame as the Enishi arc reveals Kenshin’s true reasons for taking his vow of never taking another life. It also goes into a good speech by him that he can’t kill himself or allow himself to be killed as that would be to easy, so he will live on carrying his sins and trying to atone for the lives he had taken in his past.

Another good samurai series I recommend is Sengoku Basara. The anime is based of a game with the same name (very similar to Dynasty Warriors) and currently has two series out at the moment. youtube.com/watch?v=cIACGVcc4IY Personal favorite is Date, cause he speaks English a lot when riled up.
 
I was re-reading Vagabond, and them I remembered why I liked it. Besides the amazing art, the men have chest hair. Lets be honest people. When was the last time you saw Goku, Ichigo or Light with chest hair?

I wish the manga-men would stop waxing their chests! Real men cultivate.
 
Here’s something I’d like your opinions on. What do you guys think of fansubs and fan translations of manga? I used to watch/read both, but I stopped both because I wanted to support the industry as much as I could. I don’t even look at titles not licensed in America any more (or at least I try not to).

But at the same time, I understand the reasons why someone would use fansubs and fan translations for works not licensed in their country.

What’s your opinion on the matter?

This Anime News Network article got me thinking about it. There’s a lot of aggravating and murky stuff about copyright law.
 
I stay up to date on Naruto and Bleach by following the weekly scanlation releases. When I first started reading manga, I started with Bleach. I bought the first four volumes (I’m away that they were quite small). I then discovered the scanlations and started reading them on the internet.

I’m not on volume 25 of Bleach in my collection. Reading them online has not stopped me from purchasing the released volumes, though not as fast as I would like to do so (and even then, there’s only 36 our of 50 volumes released in the Anglosphere). I’ve got access to scanlations, and read them, and it hasn’t stopped me spending around 200$ on Bleach alone.

I’m only on volume 8 of Naruto in my collection even though I’ve read the entire series on scanlation. That’s because it’s hard trying to divide up your cash on all the wonderful series out there :D! But I fully intend to continue buying Naruto. I’ve got the entire Dragon Ball series and I’ve got the Saiyan Saga of the Dragon Ball Z series (manga). The only reason I don’t read DBZ on the 'net is because they’ve flipped them pages in their scans which I despise :p.

So if you’re going to continue supporting the manga writers, I don’t really see a problem with reading online. Or at the very least, read on sites that only publish weekly scans and delete them after a while, so that you’re staying up to date with the chapters that will take ages to be published where you are.

For anime… a lot of series have been made available on the internet for free by FUNimation, etc. The entire Dragon Ball Z collection for example. However their official website doesn’t let my region view it (UK). Which is ridiculous to me. Can one really say I’m wrong for watching the exact same product on a different site even when FUNimation themselves have made it public… just not for people in the UK? So it’d be okay if I lived in the states but it’s immoral, I’m going to hell and depriving the workers of a living if I watch it with a UK internet connection? I don’t think so!

So stick with products not licensed in your region or that have already been made public. Or again, if you fully intend to purchase the product at a later date.
 
I stay up to date on Naruto and Bleach by following the weekly scanlation releases. When I first started reading manga, I started with Bleach. I bought the first four volumes (I’m away that they were quite small). I then discovered the scanlations and started reading them on the internet.

I’m not on volume 25 of Bleach in my collection. Reading them online has not stopped me from purchasing the released volumes, though not as fast as I would like to do so (and even then, there’s only 36 our of 50 volumes released in the Anglosphere). I’ve got access to scanlations, and read them, and it hasn’t stopped me spending around 200$ on Bleach alone.

I’m only on volume 8 of Naruto in my collection even though I’ve read the entire series on scanlation. That’s because it’s hard trying to divide up your cash on all the wonderful series out there :D! But I fully intend to continue buying Naruto. I’ve got the entire Dragon Ball series and I’ve got the Saiyan Saga of the Dragon Ball Z series (manga). The only reason I don’t read DBZ on the 'net is because they’ve flipped them pages in their scans which I despise :p.

So if you’re going to continue supporting the manga writers, I don’t really see a problem with reading online. Or at the very least, read on sites that only publish weekly scans and delete them after a while, so that you’re staying up to date with the chapters that will take ages to be published where you are.

For anime… a lot of series have been made available on the internet for free by FUNimation, etc. The entire Dragon Ball Z collection for example. However their official website doesn’t let my region view it (UK). Which is ridiculous to me. Can one really say I’m wrong for watching the exact same product on a different site even when FUNimation themselves have made it public… just not for people in the UK? So it’d be okay if I lived in the states but it’s immoral, I’m going to hell and depriving the workers of a living if I watch it with a UK internet connection? I don’t think so!

So stick with products not licensed in your region or that have already been made public. Or again, if you fully intend to purchase the product at a later date.
The anime Battle Programmer Shirase actually thanks fansubbers in its last episode.

Without fansubbing, neither Funimation, nor Crunchyroll, nor ADV/Section13 or Bandai America or any of the foreign anime distributors (eg MadMan or Monolith) would exist. Fansubbers are responsible for the industry outside of Japan and for many of the purchases of anime DVD/bluray/LD/VHS/CD, toys, games, dollfies, cups, figures, models, books, postcards, posters, etc from Japan.

The Japanese government commissioned a study looking at piracy of anime products and found that, piracy actually boosts sales and rentals of DVDs:
rieti.go.jp/en/publications/summary/11010021.html
Workers starve less, the more shows are watched. This is counter the kool aid that Hollywood spreads.

Fansubbing is one giant marketing tool. Now this only works if the users purchase the shows they find worthwhile or purchase merchandise - such as CDs, games, figures, plushies, tea cups, etc. Of course this is an issue for each individual. However, if you support the industry in a honest way, I think you are helping the people who make it more than if you shunned the work altogether. It’s really your call. If you’re only leeching and spending the money on other stuff, you’re being dishonest.

In a global world, regional licensing should not exist. One should be able to use a service like Crunchyroll to download episodes and watch them for a reasonable fee or for viewing of ads. Further profit can be generated by sales of merchandise. Those fans who really like their hobby, end up buying some merchandise related item sooner or later, instead of spending that money on domestic entertainment.

We already have a globalised economy. Copyrights and availability of foreign TV should reflect that.

For Americans, one can “legally” watch all recent release anime (live) with two subscriptions, one to Funimation and one to Crunchyroll. For about $13/month you can watch everything and support the starving Japanese animators, who will continue to starve because wages are low anyway and profits still go to the select few, who rip off common aspects of pop culture, public domain and other anime shows. Most anime shows are tolerated rip offs of other shows. So much for copyright.

For foreigners like myself, who pay a full sub to Crunchy, we get a limited repertoire of works despite paying the same price as Americans. FUnimation does not even let non-Americans subscribe. I would gladly pay them using PayPal. Already services like MyUS exist to allow non-US customers the ability of buying from shops which only ship to USA. But one never knows if FUnimation doesn’t label one a criminal if one uses such a service and a real PayPal account with real cash on it.
 
In case anyone wonders, the “you” in my post above is not aimed at anyone specifically, it’s just you as “one” or any given person or an onlooker. 🙂
 
In case anyone wonders, the “you” in my post above is not aimed at anyone specifically, it’s just you as “one” or any given person or an onlooker. 🙂
That’s where the English language fails.
 
The anime Battle Programmer Shirase actually thanks fansubbers in its last episode.

Without fansubbing, neither Funimation, nor Crunchyroll, nor ADV/Section13 or Bandai America or any of the foreign anime distributors (eg MadMan or Monolith) would exist. Fansubbers are responsible for the industry outside of Japan and for many of the purchases of anime DVD/bluray/LD/VHS/CD, toys, games, dollfies, cups, figures, models, books, postcards, posters, etc from Japan.

The Japanese government commissioned a study looking at piracy of anime products and found that, piracy actually boosts sales and rentals of DVDs:
rieti.go.jp/en/publications/summary/11010021.html
Workers starve less, the more shows are watched. This is counter the kool aid that Hollywood spreads.

Fansubbing is one giant marketing tool. Now this only works if the users purchase the shows they find worthwhile or purchase merchandise - such as CDs, games, figures, plushies, tea cups, etc. Of course this is an issue for each individual. However, if you support the industry in a honest way, I think you are helping the people who make it more than if you shunned the work altogether. It’s really your call. If you’re only leeching and spending the money on other stuff, you’re being dishonest.

In a global world, regional licensing should not exist. One should be able to use a service like Crunchyroll to download episodes and watch them for a reasonable fee or for viewing of ads. Further profit can be generated by sales of merchandise. Those fans who really like their hobby, end up buying some merchandise related item sooner or later, instead of spending that money on domestic entertainment.

We already have a globalised economy. Copyrights and availability of foreign TV should reflect that.

For Americans, one can “legally” watch all recent release anime (live) with two subscriptions, one to Funimation and one to Crunchyroll. For about $13/month you can watch everything and support the starving Japanese animators, who will continue to starve because wages are low anyway and profits still go to the select few, who rip off common aspects of pop culture, public domain and other anime shows. Most anime shows are tolerated rip offs of other shows. So much for copyright.

For foreigners like myself, who pay a full sub to Crunchy, we get a limited repertoire of works despite paying the same price as Americans. FUnimation does not even let non-Americans subscribe. I would gladly pay them using PayPal. Already services like MyUS exist to allow non-US customers the ability of buying from shops which only ship to USA. But one never knows if FUnimation doesn’t label one a criminal if one uses such a service and a real PayPal account with real cash on it.
Well, I wasn’t trying to condemn anyone with my comment (I mean, I used to do watch fansubs a lot).

My biggest problem is that copyright law is a gigantic mess, and I agree with you there. The only problem is that all attempts to reform or standardize the laws are basically attempts to suck up to the corporations that run the industry (and I’m not a big supporter of anti-corporation/business rhetoric, but the facts in this situation seem to support it). There’s a reason why we call US Senator Orrin Hatch the “Senator from Disney”. But for the record, I’m not arguing against copyright law, it’s just that the law needs to be smarter.

I make an effort to purchase Japanese CDs, too (in addition to all the figures, shirts, etc. that I own). It’s grown since, but here’s a pic of my CD collection. Some titles & artists are also available on iTunes and Amazon mp3 like L’Arc en Ciel, Yuya Matsushita, some Kotoko, Halko Momoi, Da Capo II stuff, Kalafina, Flow, and Kanon Wakeshima/Kanon x Kanon (and many more).
 
Well, I wasn’t trying to condemn anyone with my comment (I mean, I used to do watch fansubs a lot).

My biggest problem is that copyright law is a gigantic mess, and I agree with you there. The only problem is that all attempts to reform or standardize the laws are basically attempts to suck up to the corporations that run the industry (and I’m not a big supporter of anti-corporation/business rhetoric, but the facts in this situation seem to support it). There’s a reason why we call US Senator Orrin Hatch the “Senator from Disney”. But for the record, I’m not arguing against copyright law, it’s just that the law needs to be smarter.

I make an effort to purchase Japanese CDs, too (in addition to all the figures, shirts, etc. that I own). It’s grown since, but here’s a pic of my CD collection. Some titles & artists are also available on iTunes and Amazon mp3 like L’Arc en Ciel, Yuya Matsushita, some Kotoko, Halko Momoi, Da Capo II stuff, Kalafina, Flow, and Kanon Wakeshima/Kanon x Kanon (and many more).
True. And without fansubs you’d buy NONE of that for you wouldn’t even know this anime thing exists. However you’d be spending more of that cash on Hollywood blockbusters. Oh alternative entertainments from other regions are things Hollywood and Music industries would love to stop too. Doing ACTA/SOPA will allow them to do that too. You’re buying those J-POP songs when you could be buying Britney Spears. Can’t have that.

Copyright is a dodgy issue. Everything an artist produces is a synthesis of something already made. Does he pay everyone he was influenced by? And why should an artists/copyright holder have it different to say a dentist or a plumber? Do you need to pay a license for a root canal job or the unblocking of your drain? Do you continuously pay every time you eat or flush your toilet for the job your dentist/plumber did?

There is a better system out there, not built on artificial scarcity, but sadly greed will not let that one appear any time soon.
 
True. And without fansubs you’d buy NONE of that for you wouldn’t even know this anime thing exists. However you’d be spending more of that cash on Hollywood blockbusters. Oh alternative entertainments from other regions are things Hollywood and Music industries would love to stop too. Doing ACTA/SOPA will allow them to do that too. You’re buying those J-POP songs when you could be buying Britney Spears. Can’t have that.

Copyright is a dodgy issue. Everything an artist produces is a synthesis of something already made. Does he pay everyone he was influenced by? And why should an artists/copyright holder have it different to say a dentist or a plumber? Do you need to pay a license for a root canal job or the unblocking of your drain? Do you continuously pay every time you eat or flush your toilet for the job your dentist/plumber did?

There is a better system out there, not built on artificial scarcity, but sadly greed will not let that one appear any time soon.
SOPA and ACTA (as well as Protect IP) are some of the things I was getting at with my comments on copyright, just neglected to mention them.

Like I said, though, I do agree with the existence of copyright, just needs reforms, IMO.

On an unrelated topic, any Haganai/Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai fans out there? Seriously pondering getting this Yozora figure. goodsmile.info/product/en/3466/Yozora+Mikaduki.html
 
Here’s something I’d like your opinions on. What do you guys think of fansubs and fan translations of manga? I used to watch/read both, but I stopped both because I wanted to support the industry as much as I could. I don’t even look at titles not licensed in America any more (or at least I try not to).
Well I certainly like the discussion you just opened up. It’s a shame I can’t contribute anything more than what has been said. The thing about piracy is that it’s one of those few issues where I’m not on the side of the business world (despite my current job putting me smack dab into it). You can say I’m with Tenovir on this one in that I really don’t like how corporations these days are exhibiting a copyright hog attitude.

As for whether I choose scanlations/fansubs over licensed, I really can’t understand how neither anti-piracy or pro-piracy groups consider the impact of quality in their statistics. I mean I live in one of the bootleg capitals of Asia, and I know that the quality of something is just as major a determining factor as price when it comes to buying something. There’s also the issue of availability. I don’t shop online and original anime DVDs are rarer than even gold. I don’t even buy much of pirated stuff but I won’t deny that it’s one of the only few options (alongside streaming, torrenting, either of which I still have difficulty because my computer is… aging). This isn’t even considering how the official dubbers have had a really, really bad record in the past (coughs4Kidscoughs).

In manga, it’s similar stance in that there are pros and cons. Believe me when I say that carrying a real volume in your bag can be more convenient than carrying it in your flash disk/laptop/PSP/iPhone etc. Real manga doesn’t run out of batteries. You can read it any time you want. You don’t have to bother with mindless scrolling and zooming just to get a good look. With that said, scanlations still do have their place though when it comes to the latest update of ongoing series. That’s where it’s strong.

Mind you, I’ve been very blessed to have found a jackpot cache of manga at a local bargain bookstore. Just because I read scanlations doesn’t mean I still wouldn’t want to buy a real, authentic copy (even just for collector’s value). On the other hand, I also wouldn’t be compelled to own a complete series (like Negima for instance), if I didn’t know how many volumes I was going to buy. And to know that, I must know when a manga’s story is going to end. How soon can I learn about that? Scanlations.
 
SOPA and ACTA (as well as Protect IP) are some of the things I was getting at with my comments on copyright, just neglected to mention them.

Like I said, though, I do agree with the existence of copyright, just needs reforms, IMO.

On an unrelated topic, any Haganai/Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai fans out there? Seriously pondering getting this Yozora figure. goodsmile.info/product/en/3466/Yozora+Mikaduki.html
Well, in buying that $5 to make yet probably costing $80+ figure you will contribute about $75 to the anime copyright holder. This is one way piracy is contributing to the profits of copyright holders.

I personally prefer the heterochromic character though, but there is no appropriate figure of that character out. 😦
 
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