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It wasn’t too bad if you ask me. I’m actually hoping that the last page hinted that Itachi will distract Sasuke so that he won’t mess with one of Naruto’s finest hours. ;):p:cool:
It doesn’t look like Itachi has even seen Sasuke :D. But it was worth it just to see Sasuke’s face.
 
And Naruto volume 8 joined my collection today. I was going to pick up a couple of others but… when I was standing with that 26th volume of Bleach in my hand it sort of… hit me. “I don’t think I can read any more”. It’s been so long since I sat down with a good, western fantasy book, that I’m afraid I can’t read any more :D.

So I picked up a couple of books from an author I’m quite a fan of. They’re standalone and not a part of the massive series I normally go for. Pray I can still find enjoyment :p!
 
That’s probably the point. Finish them at the same time (or close together).
That’s what I thought too. They will probably end up making a spin-off series for the final arc the way they did with Inuyasha. It’s funny because just a few days before finding out about their decision, I remember thinking with the way the anime is closing in on the manga so quickly again they’d only have to go right back into another filler arc right after the Fullbringer arc finished up. And I think they’ve pretty much exhausted the ideas for filler material as it is.
 
Hey all! Is reading manga online is stealing? I thought it was.

I dont do it but some obviously do, if not there would be no sites. People dont seem care if it is.
 
Hey all! Is reading manga online is stealing? I thought it was.

I dont do it but some obviously do, if not there would be no sites. People dont seem care if it is.
If you’re worried about that, buy it when it appears in store or online.

Tell me when the US government uses the system of votes and representation, do they pay loyalty fees to Greece the country which developed democracy first? Or is the US government stealing from Greece?

When typing your post using the Roman alphabet did you pay for the right to use these characters? Did you pay the people of Italy the descendants of Rome? That’s also stealing.

When you do math sums do you pay the people who developed the axioms on which modern arithmetic is based?

Do you continuously pay the guy who did your home’s plumbing and who used his intellectual property to link your pipes? Do you pay your dentist every time you eat because you know he did those fillings in your teeth and now you’re pain free?

We we pay the people of Egypt when we use paper, a technology they first developed?

In Copyright there is this convenient convention set up very recently that for some reason some works are protected while others are not. The people who set these conventions did so in a prospective manner. I don’t see a reason why we’re not stealing when we use the alphabet or do math sums of any of the other things, just because some fat cats at some stage decided it would destroy the whole rationale for their artificial monopoly.
 
If you’re worried about that, buy it when it appears in store or online.

Tell me when the US government uses the system of votes and representation, do they pay loyalty fees to Greece the country which developed democracy first? Or is the US government stealing from Greece?

When typing your post using the Roman alphabet did you pay for the right to use these characters? Did you pay the people of Italy the descendants of Rome? That’s also stealing.

When you do math sums do you pay the people who developed the axioms on which modern arithmetic is based?

Do you continuously pay the guy who did your home’s plumbing and who used his intellectual property to link your pipes? Do you pay your dentist every time you eat because you know he did those fillings in your teeth and now you’re pain free?

We we pay the people of Egypt when we use paper, a technology they first developed?

In Copyright there is this convenient convention set up very recently that for some reason some works are protected while others are not. The people who set these conventions did so in a prospective manner. I don’t see a reason why we’re not stealing when we use the alphabet or do math sums of any of the other things, just because some fat cats at some stage decided it would destroy the whole rationale for their artificial monopoly.
Ehhh…some of that’s a bit of a stretch (especially since even copyright laws have provisions for things entering into the public domain after a given period of time. And some of that is dang near impossible to copyright. I don’t recall any governmental process ever being recognized as being able to be copyrighted. In most cases, the creator of the alphabet is unknown, and most alphabets did not have a single creator. Alphabets furthermore are intended to be basically open-source. Anyone can use them. Math is the same thing. The same could be said for various mathematical functions, which existed before the person devised them. He/she was just the first or best to explain them.

As for the dentist and plumbing and such, you have already presumably paid for their services when you originally sought them. Furthermore, unless they have a special or unique process or service, they can hardly claim a copyright on what they provide, since you could go to another plumber or dentist and get a similar kind of service at similar quality and a similar price (presumably, of course).

The paper example is fairly good, and certain techniques for making paper are patented. However, the general process for making paper is so old and well known by now that it would have passed down into the public domain even if copyright laws had existed back then.

The idea behind intellectual property is that you have created something so unique, such as a character, story, painting, or symbol, that is so unique that it merits protecting and obliging others to pay to use your work. You might be using ink, paints, paper, etc. developed by others to express your idea, and you might have been inspired by another work. However, it could be fairly said that the idea is yours. These things are not generally held to include cultural things like alphabets or government works or forms of governance.

Now, there are some good criticisms of intellectual property copyright, but that’s the basic gist of it.

Now, I certainly think copyright law needs to be reformed on a major level, particularly with regards to intellectual property, but let’s use some better examples.

Anyways, I would certainly not advocate reading manga online if it is available legally in your country. I don’t really like reading that which isn’t available, either. I can’t say whether it is right or wrong, mostly because the laws on this matter are certainly imperfect. However, I think it’s fair to say that an artist deserves remuneration for his or her work if A) it is worthy of it and/or B) it is legally required and the artist has not foregone such a right.

And none of this post takes into account the doctrines of fair use, parody, and other certain things where it is okay to use copyrighted stuff without paying the person, people, or institution behind it.

Anyways, none of this was what I came here for.

What I came here for is to ask if anyone has seen the Tsukihi OP for Nisemonogatari? Oh man, it’s so awesome and cuuuute!
 
Ehhh…some of that’s a bit of a stretch (especially since even copyright laws have provisions for things entering into the public domain after a given period of time.r.
That’s irrelevant. We do know where the alphabets originated. We can compensate the people who made them or their descendants. Greece and Rome for example could benefit from some IP loyalties.
Alphabets furthermore are intended to be basically open-source.
Everything was open source prior to the sudden arbitrary appearance of copyright.
But since copyright appeared in an arbitrary way, it should be extended retrospectively too and people who contributed to common culture prior to this should be paid, and if they can’t be paid, then their descendants should be paid. It’s fair and moral. I doubt IP would be as contentious an issue then.
Anyone can use them. Math is the same thing. The same could be said for various mathematical functions, which existed before the person devised them. He/she was just the first or best to explain them.
And they devoted their lives and efforts to finding them. They should be compensated. There is no excuse. Are you saying modern sensibilities can justify the theft from ancient cultures and our own pre Enlightenment culture?
As for the dentist and plumbing and such, you have already presumably paid for their services when you originally sought them.
The manga scanner also purchased the manga he scanned and uploaded. The artist was paid for his work. I don’t see a difference. We’re just nitpicking here. The dentist spent his time working in your mouth applying his brain neurons (and years of experience which is unique) to make sure your unique teeth were fixed. Now you no longer have pain when biting on food. You should pay him for as long as you don’t have pain.
The paper example is fairly good, and certain techniques for making paper are patented. However, the general process for making paper is so old and well known by now that it would have passed down into the public domain even if copyright laws had existed back then.
Just because some band of fat cats agreed that technologies which they abused in creating other derivatives need not be protected does not mean this is moral. It may be law but is it moral? I don’t think it is. Adultery is legal but immoral. Look at Disney. They robbed public domain of things like Snow White yet refuse to give back to public domain. Disney is a perfect, specific example of abuse. Copyright is arbitrary. We had no copyright prior to the Statute of Anne or whatever it was called in the 1600s. Perhaps copyright is beneficial, and so we should be consistent. You use democracy in the US? Well you have to pay Greece for that, otherwise you’re stealing. It’s fair and moral. Don’t just call some things stealing, everything is stealing if used without permission or compensation. Had the people who created/developed/perfected these things now been alive now, they would demand their fair share.
The idea behind intellectual property is that you have created something so unique, such as a character, story, painting, or symbol, that is so unique that it merits protecting and obliging others to pay to use your work.
So the alphabet is not unique? How about the symbols making up the numbers? What about a more specific example, Aeschylus’ Oedipus trilogy. It contains everything you’ll find in modern works. It’s also from 5th Century BC. Again Greece should be paid. Works of Shakespeare? How many of those elements are used in modern fiction? There’s very little unique anything, it’s all a synthesis of things already done, many times. What about the music prof who taught the song writer music or the art teacher who taught the manga artist how to draw?
You might be using ink, paints, paper, etc. developed by others to express your idea, and you might have been inspired by another work. However, it could be fairly said that the idea is yours. These things are not generally held to include cultural things like alphabets or government works or forms of governance.
You robbed common culture when you created a character. You never create anything de novo. But besides that you rode on the backs of others, for example your high school teachers who too, should be paid loyalties for your successes. Otherwise it’s stealing. Just because someone draws arbitrary demarcations does not mean those demarcations are set in stone. They’re not laws of nature. I’m all for copyright and intellectual property but it has to be moral and fair, and so Rome, Greece, China, Egypt etc. should be paid loyalties.
And none of this post takes into account the doctrines of fair use, parody, and other certain things where it is okay to use copyrighted stuff without paying the person, people, or institution behind it.
Arbitrary. Look, people basically woke up one day and decided, how are we going to protect our stuff now that printing presses can make unauthorised copies. How are we going to profit from this beyond the way people have been profiting from their works for 1000s of years. How can we rig the system? They did not have to be aware of this. People assume that things they did not create themselves are not worthwhile. It’s a human weakness.

Again I’m all for proper intellectual property but not when it’s done selectively and in an ad hoc basis. If people deserve to be rewarded for the fruits of their labours than that needs to be consistent. The fact that that may be difficult is irrelevant. The fact that those people are long dead, is irrelevant. Disney is dead too. I also don’t see why some people can sell “the fruits of their labours” in again and again, but others can’t. I can see the arbitrary justifications but they are arbitrary. They are unfair and inconsistent.
 
What I came here for is to ask if anyone has seen the Tsukihi OP for Nisemonogatari? Oh man, it’s so awesome and cuuuute!
I haven’t actually, no. 🙂

I would venture to say that the writer of this song should give a percentage of the proceeds to UNICEF or pro-life groups, after all we derive the “cute” from our fraternal/paternal instinct to want to protect the weak namely children. If a song has child like lyrics then in the very least, pro-child groups should be compensated. 🙂 Honestly, I think this should be done, after all the artist is then just stealing from our natural response to be protective towards children and younger people. Perhaps in getting one’s daily fix of J-POP one donates less money to pro-child/pro-young people welfare charities or cares less for the real human beings. Someone is stealing from someone else, even here, even if you buy the song. 🙂

Take for example all those otakus who fall in love with anime / manga girls and refuse to date real women and put up with imperfect people. The industry is causing a decline in fertility rates in Japan and that’s bad for society. Does the industry give back to society though? Do they support pro-family initiatives? Do they pay tax to cover the treatment of otaku hikkomoris who get their entire social life from watching anime/reading manga? I doubt it. Who is stealing from who here? Where are the laws and the moralists? Nowhere. No big fat industry to lobby various pressure groups. Sad, I think. 😦

We have evolution derived, God given, instinctive desires such as desire to be with a woman (or a man for women) and the desire to protect children as part of a mechanism to help us raise families and look after them. When that’s exploited (and stolen from) we get the equivalent of narcotics. We get pleasure for nothing. We don’t marry. And Japan has a lot of that, especially in the hikkomori/ otaku community. People have fewer kids and their needs to be with real people are met by caricature dolls, games and shows. Who steals from who? 🙂
 
I haven’t actually, no. 🙂

I would venture to say that the writer of this song should give a percentage of the proceeds to UNICEF or pro-life groups, after all we derive the “cute” from our fraternal/paternal instinct to want to protect the weak namely children. If a song has child like lyrics then in the very least, pro-child groups should be compensated. 🙂 Honestly, I think this should be done, after all the artist is then just stealing from our natural response to be protective towards children and younger people. Perhaps in getting one’s daily fix of J-POP one donates less money to pro-child/pro-young people welfare charities or cares less for the real human beings. Someone is stealing from someone else, even here, even if you buy the song. 🙂

Take for example all those otakus who fall in love with anime / manga girls and refuse to date real women and put up with imperfect people. The industry is causing a decline in fertility rates in Japan and that’s bad for society. Does the industry give back to society though? Do they support pro-family initiatives? Do they pay tax to cover the treatment of otaku hikkomoris who get their entire social life from watching anime/reading manga? I doubt it. Who is stealing from who here? Where are the laws and the moralists? Nowhere. No big fat industry to lobby various pressure groups. Sad, I think. 😦

We have evolution derived, God given, instinctive desires such as desire to be with a woman (or a man for women) and the desire to protect children as part of a mechanism to help us raise families and look after them. When that’s exploited (and stolen from) we get the equivalent of narcotics. We get pleasure for nothing. We don’t marry. And Japan has a lot of that, especially in the hikkomori/ otaku community. People have fewer kids and their needs to be with real people are met by caricature dolls, games and shows. Who steals from who? 🙂
I think you’re overthinking some of this, as far as the stealing and such goes.

What they’re doing is no different from from when any artist throughout the ages has created a work of art that inspires or arouses some sort of feeling or reaction from us, whether it’s beauty, happiness, cuteness, anger, fear, or any other response.

But I do like the idea of supporting pro-family initiatives, and some of the otaku in Japan are truly in need of help.
 
Could you guys please create a new thread for the copyright argument? We beat that dead horse of a topic enough around here as it is.
 
Could you guys please create a new thread for the copyright argument? We beat that dead horse of a topic enough around here as it is.
Yeah, I was thinking about that myself (and I’ve certainly been one of the big participants in the debates). I’ve said all I feel like saying, though. It’s a messy issue.

So, anyways, is anyone watching Poyopoyo? It’s a cute show for one that usually isn’t even 3 minutes long. Of course, I love cats, so I may be a little biased. 😛

Also, did anyone see Kana Hanazawa’s solo singing debut? Sort of a let down. I was expecting more singing and less presentation and roundtable. Also, I still think she a better seiyu than singer. Her singing voice is average, IMO, but it has its moments.
 
Well said Tenofovir.

I remember that some years ago, in a Spanish Catholic forum, they were speaking about the same topic, a Theologian and one of his friends answers were in the same line as yours.

God Bless you!

🙂

P.S. I’m going to check out the series you recommended earlier. Thanks.
 
Hey guys, can anyone give me some advice? I bought this book on how to draw manga. In this book it explains how to draw battles.
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The problem is there is nudity in the book. That’s not I was expecting and some of the poses, especially the “cat-fighting” really give me the impression that this is more of a porno than a How-to-draw book.

What should I do? Should I get rid of it?
 
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