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Hey guys, can anyone give me some advice? I bought this book on how to draw manga. In this book it explains how to draw battles.
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The problem is there is nudity in the book. That’s not I was expecting and some of the poses, especially the “cat-fighting” really give me the impression that this is more of a porno than a How-to-draw book.

What should I do? Should I get rid of it?
Well, it looks legit to me. I see those in store all the time. The presence of nudity doesn’t necessarily make it a porno, don’t forget. Sometimes the presence of nudity in a work can be justified if it’s not in a sexual way (that’s true of a lot of Renaissance works, ancient art of various cultures, and many works in the Vatican!).

And to add to it, these aren’t real people, so it’s not like anyone is being exploited in those shots (which doesn’t justify animated porn, but it is something to think about).
 
Tenofovir, I think we probably agree on many, many things with regards to intellectual property copyright.

Of course, the problem I am left to confront is that, when someone is downloading, say, a manga scan or an unauthorized/illegal copy of something that is recognized under the current legal system as having a copyright, should they feel guilty about it? It is legally defined as stealing, but is it really? Is it right or wrong? We are called to submit to the laws, but as countless events in human history have taught us, laws made by humans are just as imperfect as the people who make them.

This is the problem that I have encountered time and again when I think about all this.
 
Hey guys, can anyone give me some advice? I bought this book on how to draw manga. In this book it explains how to draw battles.
i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae211/catholicanimeartist/mangabook.jpg

The problem is there is nudity in the book. That’s not I was expecting and some of the poses, especially the “cat-fighting” really give me the impression that this is more of a porno than a How-to-draw book.

What should I do? Should I get rid of it?
I have a book from the same series, yes, it has some nudity, but one should have in mind the context… is an art teaching book, for learning anatomy, is necessary to understand the human figure.

Also… is a temptation for you?

God Bless you!

🙂
 
And to add to it, these aren’t real people, so it’s not like anyone is being exploited in those shots (which doesn’t justify animated porn, but it is something to think about).
I would say that despite both types of pornography being mortal sin, it is something else when talking about legislating laws on both. There’s just a really significant difference in social gravity. I always face-palm whenever I hear news of this or that government threatening imprisonment to those who draw such things (some have even gone as far as to call it another form of pedophilia). Lewd as it may be, it’s still a drawing. The only one being harmed is yourself and that harm is spiritual (which is waaaay outside legal jurisdiction because if the state was in charge of the ‘safety and salvation of souls’, other religions would be illegalized). Yes it’s wrong. Yes it will send you to hell. But to send me to prison? I’m already in danger of hellfire and degrading myself as a human being. That should be punishment enough.
Well, it looks legit to me. I see those in store all the time. The presence of nudity doesn’t necessarily make it a porno, don’t forget. Sometimes the presence of nudity in a work can be justified if it’s not in a sexual way (that’s true of a lot of Renaissance works, ancient art of various cultures, and many works in the Vatican!).
Not to mention, in the in-world context of a heated anime battle, even I would have a hard time enjoying any form of fan service when I’m barely dodging punches and kicks that could blow up my skull.
 
I would say that despite both types of pornography being mortal sin, it is something else when talking about legislating laws on both. There’s just a really significant difference in social gravity. I always face-palm whenever I hear news of this or that government threatening imprisonment to those who draw such things (some have even gone as far as to call it another form of pedophilia). Lewd as it may be, it’s still a drawing. The only one being harmed is yourself and that harm is spiritual (which is waaaay outside legal jurisdiction because if the state was in charge of the ‘safety and salvation of souls’, other religions would be illegalized). Yes it’s wrong. Yes it will send you to hell. But to send me to prison? I’m already in danger of hellfire and degrading myself as a human being. That should be punishment enough.

Not to mention, in the in-world context of a heated anime battle, even I would have a hard time enjoying any form of fan service when I’m barely dodging punches and kicks that could blow up my skull.
IMO, the chief problem with porn is its debasement of sexual relations, which God has given us for a very specific purpose and context (procreation; within marriage). This debasement manifests itself in different ways. In porn involving real people, it is first of all through the fact that these people are engaging in sexual acts (or other acts, for that matter–porn isn’t just sex) for the wrong reasons; secondly, it is the fact that it is being filmed, further debasing it by removing privacy & intimacy; third, it is the affect of these videos are intended to bring about in those watching it. In porn involving animated characters, non-photographic art, or computer generated images, it is through the author’s willingness to embrace these sinful thoughts and the creation of the images with the hopes of arousing a “certain” response from those viewing the images. The latter might not directly involve real people, but its debasement of sex and embracing of lust makes it a serious sin (I’m not a Catholic, and I don’t embrace the mortal/venial difference–but I certainly agree with you in general).

When nudity is not intended to be sexual or exploitative/debasing in nature, it can get a pass (after all, the Vatican has numerous pieces of art involving nudity alone, never mind the presence of natural nudity in so many of other works). I will also add that there are several examples of sexual art from antiquity (like in Pompeiian brothels/baths and in ancient India & Japan), but these seem to fall under a different category from today’s pornos. The specific depictions in that “How to Draw Manga” book seem to fit within the acceptable nudity area, given its intent.

Finally, a quick note about temptation, since it has been mentioned here: we all have had, at some point in our lives, sinful thoughts of one sort or another pop into our heads for an instant. It can be the temptation to lust, steal, gorge oneself on food, buy something you don’t need & can’t afford, etc. These happen to even the most saintlike among us and will dog us as long as we live in this world (as it is popular to point out, even Christ was tempted). In those living in monasteries or complete seclusion suffer from these things. Even in going about our daily routine, there are ways we will be tempted. It’s whether we embrace and continue to entertain & add to these thoughts that makes these things a problem. We can say “yes” or “no” to these temptations, and like Christ, we should say “no”. It’s also whether we do something with the intent of exposing ourselves to temptation that makes another difference (for example, I don’t go to class or work–which is for my uni–with the intent of being tempted to sin in some way, but I can say with certainty that a temptation of some sort will enter my head for an instant or two between now and when I graduate with my Master’s next spring. For my part, I will do my best, with God’s help, not to embrace these temptations). There’s a difference between knowing you will be tempted and wanting it to happen.

Anyways, all of this is a big digression from this thread’s purpose, but those are thoughts I have been kicking about for a while in my head on these issues.

So, has anyone seen the latest Nisemonogatari. Love the Tsukihi OP, but the episode was weird. Also, I’m pondering getting back into Gintama. Was watching the new series for a while, but fell away after a while.

Also, I just got Yui Horie’s new album Himitsu in the mail Monday. One of my favorite seiyuu, both in her acting and singing. Anime News Network says it debuted at #3 on the Oricon charts. Good for her! Also, the album art is very cute.

I’m seriously wondering if I ought to pursue the Inu x Boku SS OP CD as well. It’s an awesome song.
 
New Bleach and Naruto. Disappointed with Naruto as not really much happened. Just endless repeating… honestly, I suddenly became more interested in the Kages’ fight after the repetitive drivel of Sasuke and Itachi. And I like Itachi. But I’ve read their history in flashbacks about a hundred times now. Mr. Masashi Kishimoto. If any one is reading Naruto right now… I’m quite sure you can be confident that today wasn’t their first time. We’ve all read a substantial portion of the story. Some of us all of it. Trust us to remember minor details like Tobi explaining that Itachi was a good guy all the time. I mean sure it wasn’t that important to the story but we could remember if hard if we tried…

Bleach was good. Ichigo kicking rear-ends and taking names, Captain Commander about to own some Nazis. Always good.
 
If you’d like an anime okay for Christians, I suggest Ayatsuri Sakon. It’s a murder-case anime. The twist is that the acting detective is a serious handsome guy ventriloquisting an puppet acting aggressive and is like a different being.
 
I think it’s one the important plot development. And so we know it’s one of the reason’s Sasuke no longer hate him and is angry for him.
Of course it’s important. Sasuke’s entire story revolves around Itachi. And so does Naruto’s because he revolves around Sasuke. But I don’t think we need it repeated ad nauseum. I think by now we all get it :p.
 
Trust us to remember minor details like Tobi explaining that Itachi was a good guy all the time.
You’re actually describing something about the series I’ve had less positive feelings about. Back then, I too hated Itachi because I too thought he was responsible.

Then the author decided to put on the troll face and show his readers how they’ve all been played. Man, it’s bad enough I’ve had mixed feelings when J.K. Rowling gave Snape that same type of character development.
Of course it’s important. Sasuke’s entire story revolves around Itachi. And so does Naruto’s because he revolves around Sasuke. But I don’t think we need it repeated ad nauseum. I think by now we all get it :p.
Meh, I’m just happy that in-universe-wise, Itachi is keeping whiny-bro from messing up another classic Shounen Moment of Absolute Awesomeness. Now that’s one anime cliche I will NEVER get tired of and I don’t want no emotionally unstable twit ruining it! DX
 
Anyways, in other news. I may be experiencing what some might call a personal Otaku Revival. With all the work I’ve been doing, I haven’t exactly been following up on anything new. The series I’m currently still reading are either on the verge of ending or are pretty much old in of themselves anyways. Finally, I haven’t watched any actual anime if by anime, we’re talking animated features be they shows or movies. So far the last series I’ve followed till the end were Gosick and then Tiger and Bunny.

As of last night, all of that has changed as circumstances left me with a few good hours of non-stop anime re-watching. I even watched a movie I got from a friend but never really watched (Origin: Spirits of the Past). After that, I’ve decided to pursue Ao no Exorcist since, while its not new, I’m not sure it’s of the same age as those series that are now ending.

Finally though, I’ve once again found myself with a really, really NEW anime that has fulfilled my desire for something worth watching and following. In fact, I love it so much… its OP song is now constantly playing in my head.

Then again, I guess I can’t say I’ve never heard of it before… >;3

sings

ato doredake sakebeba iin darou
ato doredake nakeba iin darou
mou yamete watashi wa mou hashirenai
itsuka yumemita sekai ga tojiru

makkura de akari mo nai kuzurekaketa kono michi de
aru hazu mo nai ano toki no kibou ga mieta kigashita


(If you’ve already guessed it it is…)

*doushite

BURAKKU ROKKU SHUUTAA natsukashii kioku
tada tanoshikatta ano goro wo
BURAKKU ROKKU SHUUTAA demo ugokenai yo
yami wo kakeru hoshi ni negai wo mou ichido dake hashiru kara
*
(Yes people! There is now a BRS anime series! At long last!!! w)
 
Meh, I watched the OVA (got the DVD with a Megami magazine) for BRS. Never could quite figure out the point to the whole thing. The school life and the BRS action stuff would have made two decent anime separately, but together? Ehhhhhh… Lots of hype but the product didn’t match up to it at all, IMO. Not bad, but definitely an average show, IMO.

24 minutes just of Black Rock Shooter herself kicking tail? Now I’d watch that!
 
You’re actually describing something about the series I’ve had less positive feelings about. Back then, I too hated Itachi because I too thought he was responsible.
Funny thing is I’ve never hated Itachi. He’s always had the bad-assititude to skate through. My hate was always reserved for Sasuke. I can deal with Itachi being all solemn, evilz, etc. I can even deal with him being a saint behind the scenes.

I can’t deal with Sasuke’s emoness and how easily he’s manipulated. His impressionability… it’s like he doesn’t have the ability to think for himself. First he let Itachi manipulate him then he let Orochimaru do it then Tobi. I dislike this quality immensely :p.
Then the author decided to put on the troll face and show his readers how they’ve all been played. Man, it’s bad enough I’ve had mixed feelings when J.K. Rowling gave Snape that same type of character development.
Oh that’s something else altogether now. I don’t despise what she intended with Snape but rather I despise how the fandom reacted. It’s like over night everyone seemed to have forgotten that this man was a greasy slime-ball that got off psychologically torturing children and mercilessly bullied Harry, Neville and Hermione. His last sacrifice doesn’t expunge what a horrible and despicable human being he was.

And what gets me even more furious is that the fandom blame James Potter for it all! They’re worse than Slughorn for selective memories. They love to ignore that Snape and James gave each other as good as they got. They hated each other… one made the choice to be a better person, won the girl. The other made the choice… to go the route of a rodent.

There was nothing really heroic or romantic about Snape. He was a selfish, horrible, pathetic little man.

[/snapehate]
Meh, I’m just happy that in-universe-wise, Itachi is keeping whiny-bro from messing up another classic Shounen Moment of Absolute Awesomeness. Now that’s one anime cliche I will NEVER get tired of and I don’t want no emotionally unstable twit ruining it! DX
I don’t expect much. Nothing will ever top Goku revealing SSJ3 :p.
 
I’m a Sasuke sympathizer. I didn’t find him whiny, he’s actually bitter and it’s justifiable since his most beloved person betray him. Going so far selling himself to Orochimaru, but shows that he’s not betraying himself since he killed Orochimaru after he got trained by him and got the cursed seal. Sasuke was apathetic(such as ignoring the love of Sakura, being frustrated even though he’s the best rookie) and engulfed by anger, what he is striving for is getting overly powerful not someone to protect him so I think he’s an obsessed not emo.

But the Tobi convinced Sasuke was manipulated but it got valid reasons to be angry if you’re prideful since he believes that Konoha owes much to the Uchiha clan and it’s rulers has great transgression with the Uchiha clan.

The earlier Sasuke, I see as a tragic hero while the present Sasuke is more hate-able. But especially that he didn’t kill Naruto when they dueled in the falls with two statues(what’s that place?), it seems that he got a soft side when it comes to Naruto.
 
I don’t expect much. Nothing will ever top Goku revealing SSJ3 :p.
Gohan’s SSJ2, Goku’s first transformation, Trunk’s SSJ1 in front of Freeza. 😃

And my personal favorite Broly turning to Pantera’s 10.

It’s a shame as two movie villain (Broly and Cooler) would have made better villains then Majin Buu in my opinion. My entire opinion of what made the Majin saga and Buu saga so bad is summed up in a quote from Team Four Star’s DBZ abridged series youtube.com/watch?v=Zcg1mYSYa5o last line
 
Gohan’s SSJ2, Goku’s first transformation, Trunk’s SSJ1 in front of Freeza. 😃

And my personal favorite Broly turning to Pantera’s 10.

It’s a shame as two movie villain (Broly and Cooler) would have made better villains then Majin Buu in my opinion. My entire opinion of what made the Majin saga and Buu saga so bad is summed up in a quote from Team Four Star’s DBZ abridged series youtube.com/watch?v=Zcg1mYSYa5o last line
Look I’m not the Buu saga’s biggest fan. But SSJ3 was the greatest moment in anime history (I’ve not read it in the manga yet). It’s the pinnacle of Japanese culture. Their greatest achievement was having Akira Toriyama grow up with them so that he could go on to draw this great manga and this great scene which the animators brought to life with a great sound track and just all around epic moment.

If only Gotenks hadn’t cheapened it…
 
Not to break the flow of this thread, but has anyone seen Demon Lord Dante? Netflix keeps wanting me to see it, and it does sound interesting
 
Meh, I watched the OVA (got the DVD with a Megami magazine) for BRS. Never could quite figure out the point to the whole thing. The school life and the BRS action stuff would have made two decent anime separately, but together? Ehhhhhh… Lots of hype but the product didn’t match up to it at all, IMO. Not bad, but definitely an average show, IMO.

24 minutes just of Black Rock Shooter herself kicking tail? Now I’d watch that!
The thing I like about BRS is that the world of both the OVA and the anime tv series really lives up to its name “The Otherworld”. Unlike that little track from the FFX soundtrack, the Otherworld of the BRS universe really has this bizarre, dreamlike feel. It’s like Wonderland fused with BlazBlue, Guilty Gear, and other things you’d find in Harajuku.

In my perspective, it kinda falls under fantasy but has none of the medieval or European overtones. Believe me, I have my own criticisms of the series as well but with barely five episodes out, it’s waaaay to early for a judgment call. 🤓
Funny thing is I’ve never hated Itachi. He’s always had the bad-assititude to skate through. My hate was always reserved for Sasuke. I can deal with Itachi being all solemn, evilz, etc. I can even deal with him being a saint behind the scenes.
Meh, I’m the reverse. On more technical aspects, a cool villain whose all smooth and doesn’t faze when you do something is good. However, that’s exactly why I hate such characters on a more emotional level. In other words, if I hate your villain in the same way I’d hate a person with the same attitude, you’ve actually done a good job.

Itachi’s the type of enemy I’d be most loathe to face but would also go all out killer against if I were in an anime.

Oh but no, now he’s a saint and his image has been completely reversed. Honestly, I have so many mixed feelings about this type of development. >_<;;;
I can’t deal with Sasuke’s emoness and how easily he’s manipulated. His impressionability… it’s like he doesn’t have the ability to think for himself. First he let Itachi manipulate him then he let Orochimaru do it then Tobi. I dislike this quality immensely :p.
You are not alone. Sooooo not alone. -.-
Oh that’s something else altogether now. I don’t despise what she intended with Snape but rather I despise how the fandom reacted. It’s like over night everyone seemed to have forgotten that this man was a greasy slime-ball that got off psychologically torturing children and mercilessly bullied Harry, Neville and Hermione. His last sacrifice doesn’t expunge what a horrible and despicable human being he was.
Well I suppose when you put the two next to each other, Itachi’s a better human being. On the other hand, it really irked me on how Rowling kept toying with her fans’ emotions whenever she portrayed Snape as an almost sympathetic character to one you despise, then sympathetic, and just when you suddenly started to really hate him again, BAM. It turns out he’s been set up to be placed in the most redeeming light around the end.

I suppose the lesson I can take here is that despite how I love complex characters, it’s another thing to come off as inconsistent. :\
 
Not to break the flow of this thread, but has anyone seen Demon Lord Dante? Netflix keeps wanting me to see it, and it does sound interesting
I’ve seen it in Cable in tagalog. The story is pretty broken, there, God is simply tyrannical and Satan was a noble. And oh my, God’s secret weapon is Adam and Eve, they should’ve thought about Michael. I can’t believe it’s aired in our country, but at least they removed the nude scenes.
Meh, I’m the reverse. On more technical aspects, a cool villain whose all smooth and doesn’t faze when you do something is good. However, that’s exactly why I hate such characters on a more emotional level. In other words, if I hate your villain in the same way I’d hate a person with the same attitude, you’ve actually done a good job.

Itachi’s the type of enemy I’d be most loathe to face but would also go all out killer against if I were in an anime.

Oh but no, now he’s a saint and his image has been completely reversed. Honestly, I have so many mixed feelings about this type of development. >_<;;;
In my eyes it’s such a dramatic plot twist, it makes Sasuke spurn him then loves him.
 
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