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I heard something about the creators of NGE thought that Christianity was an exotic thing, you know, Japanese are very pagan people with Shinto being their countries mainly religion along with Buddhism, I imagine the Japanese people know very little about Christianity and they found interesting enough to use in their anime.
Not sure that’s fair of them considering that most top politicians in Japan have been Catholics. That most anime writers are pretty educated and know references to ancient Greek/Roman history and philosophy. That Catholic schools are sought after. That the West has had a big influence and many Japanese look Westward - and the West was heavily influenced by Christianity.
Christianity itself has been in Japan for 100s of years. Just maybe a big pity about Nagasaki, we’d have had a larger influence on Japanese life if that second bomb was not dropped mostly on Japanese Christians. (Not that any loss of innocent life is not regrettable.)

Personal anecdote:
Funnily enough 50% of the Japanese I know (well and personally) are either Catholics, had Catholic grandparents or are Jehova’s Witness. One Japanese penfriend I had once was looking to become Catholic. One very good friend was willing to become Catholic for the sake of his European girlfriend and he has fond memories of John Paul II when he was in Japan. I did not meet these people looking for Christian or related friends. 🙂
 
I understand that most Japanese are more like non-religious. Apparently they treat Christianity in much the same way that westerners treat Buddhism, Shinto, and Hindu beliefs. They take elements from it without understanding the significance of it, or what it really means.

That said, NGE’s biggest problem is that it just stops making any sense whatsoever in the last two or three episodes. It’s like the writers just gave up. It has a lot of other glaring problems, too (misuse of Christian symbols, animation that ends up nothing more than a series of still images), but the ending is what really seals its fate.
Is NGE largely not based on Jewish / Hebrew Kabbalah?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah
 
Can’t say. Didn’t the first movie have cross-shaped explosions and Rei on a cross at one point?

OTOH there’s definitely some other things going on involving Judaism in the series itself. They talk about Adam and Lilith at one point IIRC.
Hmmm. Well Christian references are also pretty common. In Sakura Wars the Paris division is made up of nuns who use cross shaped guns which channel some form of spirit energy ( I think ) to hunt down demons.
 
Hmmm. Well Christian references are also pretty common. In Sakura Wars the Paris division is made up of nuns who use cross shaped guns which channel some form of spirit energy ( I think ) to hunt down demons.
Well, what I heard was that they used cross imagery without understanding the significance of it, and then went “oops!” when the creator said he didn’t intend Rei as a messianic archetype- which is really confusing given her tendency to sacrifice herself for others, AND the fact that she comes back from the dead more than once. It wasn’t just a surface thing, it kind of makes the themes even more confusing than they already are. They didn’t know that western audiences were going to interpret the imagery that way.

I was never able to make it through the whole movie, though, so I can’t say for sure how much it confuses things.
 
In terms of behaviour or looks? Of course Japanese also look more diminutive to Westerners and maybe to each other too.
Both. Their appearance already helps them in various cases.
They’re both tsunderes. Especially in the original TM series from 1990s. They however take out much of their anger on each other.
I see. Thanks.
Yes. 😃
I’ve seen it pop up again in one of these Anime season 2014 collages. It may be an OAV. It was way on the right.
It could be an OVA. I remmeber all the fanarts in Facebook and art sites… and the blogs raving about that series.
The Barrister anime thing also looks promising. I’ve also seen, if I remember correctly, an Ilya OAV coming out soon. Also saw it next to Free! on the right in one of these poster things. I could swear I was not hallucinating or drunk at the time.

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What is that one about?
LOL. It’s normal, don’t worry.

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A character I’d like to be, is the lead guy from “Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru” thing. He is a nice guy but he just can’t be bothered.
Hachiman Hikigaya?

I remember that series, it was too short.

But what with the effeminate guy character? that was absurd. Maybe they were referencing a trend or something.
It’s sacrilege to have seen NGE and not have seen Martian Successor Nadesico. Go Gekingangar!!!1

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I watched some episodes, more or less from 5 to 7 years ago.
Not sure that’s fair of them considering that most top politicians in Japan have been Catholics. That most anime writers are pretty educated and know references to ancient Greek/Roman history and philosophy. That Catholic schools are sought after. That the West has had a big influence and many Japanese look Westward - and the West was heavily influenced by Christianity.
Christianity itself has been in Japan for 100s of years. Just maybe a big pity about Nagasaki, we’d have had a larger influence on Japanese life if that second bomb was not dropped mostly on Japanese Christians. (Not that any loss of innocent life is not regrettable.)

Personal anecdote:
Funnily enough 50% of the Japanese I know (well and personally) are either Catholics, had Catholic grandparents or are Jehova’s Witness. One Japanese penfriend I had once was looking to become Catholic. One very good friend was willing to become Catholic for the sake of his European girlfriend and he has fond memories of John Paul II when he was in Japan. I did not meet these people looking for Christian or related friends. 🙂
Catholics in Japan date back to Saint Francis Xavier, the 30 Martyrs, and various Saints from that time and area. There are various interesting stories, like the one of Blessed Caius of Korea, Dom Justo Takayama, and others.

The Evangelization process had problems in Hideyoshi’s goverment, because the intromision of Dutch Protestants (they got the authorities agaitns the Missionaries saying they were there in order to open the road to a Spaniard or Portuguese contest, also, there was the Black Legend againts Spaniards and Catholics going on, fueled by Protestants, so they used the opportunities they had in order to attack them) and a Spaniard merchant that said a similar thing in order to recover his ship.

During centuries, the Catholics there had to hide, and cover their beliefs, they were called Kirishitans and waited for the return of the Priests and Missionaries. Some anime and manga menction them.

That is a very interesting anecdote! thanks for sharing. 🙂
 
See, this is what I’m wondering. I know there are “classics” that are fairly universally regarded to be valuable because they have stood the test of time. But which modern stories will still speak to people in fifty or five hundred years is something we can guess at, but can’t be sure of. For that reason, it’s very difficult to come up with an “instant classic” unless it’s something that revitalizes or creates its own genre- I think it could be argued that LOTR (original books and the Peter Jackson movies, in different ways) is certainly “high-quality”, and its draw was strong enough to create (and later revitalize) a whole era of high fantasy. Works like Star Wars might not be as deep, but are certainly part of our cultural consciousness. And then you have stuff like Evangelion, which is hated by a lot of people, but which undeniably had a huge effect on anime as a whole and mecha anime in particular. But works like that are understandably few and far between- and even with those examples, we had to wait decades to say whether the trends they set were significant. Are there any stories from this decade that we could already say the same of? I doubt it.
Various prodcust that seem great at first don’t past the test of time.

Yes, I think LOTR is an instant classic. Narnia too.
There is some anime that really is deep and well-done. Most of it isn’t, and that’s true of any medium. I’m wondering whether the “high culture” works are a specific subset of things, or if they’re just the cream of the crop from every genre of fiction? If it was the best of the best from everywhere, then it would obviously be silly for people to claim that any one medium or genre represented “high culture”. I guess there’s what we consider “fine art”, but as you said, that’s gotten kind of weird lately.
I think it works more as a selectio of the best traditions from painting, sculpture, poetry, music, etc.

The degradation of fine art is a process linked with the decadence of modernity, and the philosophical issues it carries since two centuries ago. Some areas resisted more before the downfall, but slow, or fast, it catched up.

Behind that is the proble of subjectivism and relativism plus the antropological turn (Svolta Antropologica in theology). Modern man tries to see himself as a Demiurge, capable of warping reality according his whims, and the result, is terrible, as happens with rejection of nature and the created order. Because of that, ugly scribbles are pased as High Art, while beatifully crafted works and seen as low brow, or commercial. Is like the revenge of the mediocre.
I think the main divide these days is between the “nerdy” stuff- anime, comics, some video games, some speculative fiction- and “mainstream” stuff- most movies, television, some video games, etc. But that divide seems pretty artificial now that a lot of stuff that used to be “nerdy” is objectively popular. And with the rise of the internet, there’s then a ton of other divisions between things- the fan environment is going to be very, very different on tumblr vs. reddit vs. fandom-specific forums vs. our own little thread. None of them are perfect (some of them far from it!), but they all have different strengths.
Yes, nerdy stuff from some years ago is enjoying the mainstream status, with the afluence of new fans, and the hipster-like reaction of some people that dislike that their once exclusive fandoms, are now being invaded by the inexperienced, etc.

Fandom dynamics are interesting to look at.
 
And that’s a good thing! It’s good to see fresh thoughts coming in from different places. I think what bothers me most about any kind of fandom is elitism, thinking that one group is beyond reproach and that those outside are ignorant, while simultaneously decrying those who try to “infiltrate” the group. It’s just silly. They’re communities, and while some are better than others, they all have a lot to learn and can be used to make things even better.
Yes, and sillier after looking at the bigger picture.
I kind of got off track.* I think when I was younger I was really worried about liking the “right” nerdy things, so I could be a Real Nerd™*. But now, eh. I like what I like, I accept that some of it might objectively be silly or stupid, but if it’s fun to analyze and inspires me to keep going, then my time hasn’t been wasted. Regardless of whether my stories were remembered in a hundred years’ time, at least they had a positive effect on my friends and myself today. 😃
Yes, good point.

I’m not advocating for a rejection of entertainment, when I have spoke recently of these topics, here, in Facebook and with people I know in person, I try to remind people about High Culture and to not take their fandoms like if were a religion, or with a ridiculous amount of elitism, thinking themselves the most educated or cultured because their fandoms.

The part of the quote in cursive, that was a type of identity search?
Haha. I’ve never really liked mainstream works, but while I used to pride myself on that, I now think it’s a bit silly to say that something is definitely good or bad because of the genre and medium. The source, maybe. I think Hollywood is pretty creatively sterile right now. I just don’t want to get elitist about liking nerdy things instead of more “normal” things, since there’s plenty to criticize among nerds, too. 😛
Yes, the pride of liking nerdy stuff instead of “normal” things. I think there is something different in each person behind that attitude, but with certain common elements.
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Ohh, this looks pretty fun! Yes, good. Spaceships. I like spaceships. 😃
Space series and spaceships are very interesting!

I started Legend of the Galactic Heroes recently.
Watch Eva every time after that: This series is heavily flawed, but ambitious. It devolves into nonsense at the end, the pacing is rushed in some places and too drawn-out in others, the entire cast needs therapy, and has meaningless Christian symbols strewn about for no reason. On the other hand, it’s certainly not following the crowd. While the story itself isn’t a masterpiece, it did inject some new thought into a somewhat stagnant genre, and for that, it deserves recognition. Plus, the mech fights are usually interesting.

That’s the general trend for how I see any given series over time, but it was really pronounced with Eva. I have a tendency to see all the good things about a show on the first watch, then only the bad things, and then finally arrive at a balanced view of the show later on.

It did get me into anime, though, so despite its massive flaws, I can’t really hate it. 😛
I remember when I was watching that series 8 years ago, aprox.

It was interesting, and quite intriguing.

While it had lots of problems, is not something terrible to rewatch, I think. Last year I was rewatching some episodes, still interesting.
That said, NGE’s biggest problem is that it just stops making any sense whatsoever in the last two or three episodes. It’s like the writers just gave up. It has a lot of other glaring problems, too (misuse of Christian symbols, animation that ends up nothing more than a series of still images), but the ending is what really seals its fate.
Religious imagery in that series seems like and example of adding things because these look cool. Only a few elements had some deeper meaning in the context of the series.

It had other references, like psychology too.

The ending was rushed because lack of money and certain problems they were having back then. It was very polemic, so they made a movie called The End of Evangelion to show the “true” ending and try to end fan polemics.

Some years ago, I found the wiki and some forums that explained lots of things about the series. There is plenty of secondary material like manga, artbooks and games that show various things the series didn’t explained clearly and expand certain scenes, small moments, elements and such.
 
SYD has a lot of dirty jokes, but the fanservice is minimal, by virtually any standard. If you can’t take a stream of dirty jokes and non sequiturs, it’s not for you.
I don’t like these type of jokes. Another thing when watching series, is if I could recommend them, or thinking about fan art potential, something that happens with series with objectionable content is that I couldn’t do any of these, even when the content doesn’t affect me.
I just got Nadesico in the mail today. Looking forward to watching it.
Nice!
 
The degradation of fine art is a process linked with the decadence of modernity, and the philosophical issues it carries since two centuries ago. Some areas resisted more before the downfall, but slow, or fast, it catched up.

Behind that is the proble of subjectivism and relativism plus the antropological turn (Svolta Antropologica in theology). Modern man tries to see himself as a Demiurge, capable of warping reality according his whims, and the result, is terrible, as happens with rejection of nature and the created order. Because of that, ugly scribbles are pased as High Art, while beatifully crafted works and seen as low brow, or commercial. Is like the revenge of the mediocre.
Doesn’t some of it have to do with the creation of photography, though? Like, it’s pointless to paint an elaborate portrait of someone when a camera can capture their face exactly, so it makes a certain amount of sense that art would drift towards the abstract after an invention like that.

I think what’s really interesting is using art to capture not the way things are, but the way we percieve them. That’s part of why I like animation; it doesn’t show me life, it shows me a certain interpretation of how events feel. Things are exaggerated in different ways, and in that they capture the essence of things without getting bogged down in the logistics of real life. But people make fun of it for that- for the big eyes anf goofy expressions and other things. I guess they don’t have to like it, but I’ll take exaggeration over either pure realism or pure abstraction any day. 😃
Yes, nerdy stuff from some years ago is enjoying the mainstream status, with the afluence of new fans, and the hipster-like reaction of some people that dislike that their once exclusive fandoms, are now being invaded by the inexperienced, etc.
Fandom dynamics are interesting to look at.
Haha, yeah. On the one hand I can kind of understand taking a certain amount of pride in how much one knows about a fandom or medium, but on the other hand, I would think people should be happy that others like the things that they like, too. Especially since more people buying means better products for everyone. 🙂
The part of the quote in cursive, that was a type of identity search?
I can’t see whatever you’re referring to as “cursive”, sorry. Not sure if it’s because of my computer or what. But yeah, it was kind of an identity search. I spent a lot of my childhood defining myself in terms of how I was different than others, trying to be more mature than my peers and know everything. I was kind of insufferable sometimes, to tell the truth. I perceived nerdiness as something desirable, and thought I had to work harder at it than others because I was a girl, and all the nerdy people I knew were boys.

I like to think I’ve become a lot more tolerable since discovering anime; I don’t know a lot of other people IRL who like it more than I do, so I’m just here for the sheer joy of watching and analyzing. It’s helped me to realize what it means to really enjoy something, without just complaining about it or trying to be “better” at it than other people are.
I remember when I was watching that series 8 years ago, aprox.
It was interesting, and quite intriguing.
While it had lots of problems, is not something terrible to rewatch, I think. Last year I was rewatching some episodes, still interesting.
It’s only been three years for me. But like I said, I didn’t think that Eva was just interesting. I gushed about it non-stop for weeks on end- how there were female mech pilots, and this was the coolest thing ever. In fact, mecha in general. I had never seen an anime that was more complex than Dragon Ball Z or Pokemon, so Evangelion seemed like something incredible.

The backlash was just as bad when I watched it the second time and noticed all the problems. Eventually I came to a pretty balanced view of both the flaws and the good bits, but that first rewatch was painful. That’s what happens when you build things up as the best story ever; you have to answer for all the flaws they have.
Religious imagery in that series seems like and example of adding things because these look cool. Only a few elements had some deeper meaning in the context of the series.
It had other references, like psychology too.
Yeah, most of it was just thrown in.
The ending was rushed because lack of money and certain problems they were having back then. It was very polemic, so they made a movie called The End of Evangelion to show the “true” ending and try to end fan polemics.
Some years ago, I found the wiki and some forums that explained lots of things about the series. There is plenty of secondary material like manga, artbooks and games that show various things the series didn’t explained clearly and expand certain scenes, small moments, elements and such.
I tried watching End, but it’s so… Eh. I can’t make it through. I love these characters, and I don’t really want to watch their mental anguish for a solid two hours, especially if I know it isn’t going to make any sense at the end anyway.

I heard that the lead writer became really depressed when he was writing the ending, so that might be part of it, too. The fact that they had no animation budget is pretty obvious, lol, given that half the final episode is scenes recycled from the school setting. On the other hand, the new Rebuild movies have plenty of awesome animation and the writer is rewriting it while mentally stable. I’ve heard it’s just as dark as the original series, but the story works this time. I haven’t heard from anyone who didn’t love them, so I’ll probably have to check them out eventually.
 
Hmmm. Well Christian references are also pretty common. In Sakura Wars the Paris division is made up of nuns who use cross shaped guns which channel some form of spirit energy ( I think ) to hunt down demons.
That actually sounds kind of awesome.

As far as Christian references, I think Index and Railgun have set the standard for the last few years of anime. Index, as I recall, was rather good. There’s a very brief scene where Touma and Index are sitting in front of a TV in a hotel room and Touma accidentally turns on the “adult” channel on TV, but you don’t see anything except a very quick, 2 or 3 second shot of a woman from about the shoulders up moaning. It’s also got some fanservice, but it’s hardly worse than similar action/comedy/drama shows like it.
 
Doesn’t some of it have to do with the creation of photography, though? Like, it’s pointless to paint an elaborate portrait of someone when a camera can capture their face exactly, so it makes a certain amount of sense that art would drift towards the abstract after an invention like that.
Not exactly. It has philosophycal roots too. Photography had an impact in the portrait makers, but after the novelty settled, realistic representations continued. It was after the first steps of modern photography that Academic Art reached a peak, in the last decades of the XIX century. And in the XX century, after the 60’s, there was the photorealism movement, as a counter to the abstract and minimalist tendencies. Another areas that explored realism, were popular magazines, novel covers,movie posters, and commercial illustration, for example, Norman Rockwell.

Here is an interesting article about the topic (although it lacks more exploration on the decadence of modern philosophy and theology):

sirspamdalot.livejournal.com/48554.html
I think what’s really interesting is using art to capture not the way things are, but the way we percieve them. That’s part of why I like animation; it doesn’t show me life, it shows me a certain interpretation of how events feel. Things are exaggerated in different ways, and in that they capture the essence of things without getting bogged down in the logistics of real life. But people make fun of it for that- for the big eyes anf goofy expressions and other things. I guess they don’t have to like it, but I’ll take exaggeration over either pure realism or pure abstraction any day. 😃
These are the big possibilities of animation. Also, is easier to depict realistic or semi-realistic explorations of non realistic stories!
Haha, yeah. On the one hand I can kind of understand taking a certain amount of pride in how much one knows about a fandom or medium, but on the other hand, I would think people should be happy that others like the things that they like, too. Especially since more people buying means better products for everyone. 🙂
Yes, newcomers could be very beneficial, for variosu reasons.
I can’t see whatever you’re referring to as “cursive”, sorry. Not sure if it’s because of my computer or what. But yeah, it was kind of an identity search. I spent a lot of my childhood defining myself in terms of how I was different than others, trying to be more mature than my peers and know everything. I was kind of insufferable sometimes, to tell the truth. I perceived nerdiness as something desirable, and thought I had to work harder at it than others because I was a girl, and all the nerdy people I knew were boys.
This is a phrase in cursive.

I see. Very interesting. I like to hear (or read) these life stories of people and their culture, entertainment, etc.
It’s only been three years for me. But like I said, I didn’t think that Eva was just interesting. I gushed about it non-stop for weeks on end- how there were female mech pilots, and this was the coolest thing ever. In fact, mecha in general. I had never seen an anime that was more complex than Dragon Ball Z or Pokemon, so Evangelion seemed like something incredible.

The backlash was just as bad when I watched it the second time and noticed all the problems. Eventually I came to a pretty balanced view of both the flaws and the good bits, but that first rewatch was painful. That’s what happens when you build things up as the best story ever; you have to answer for all the flaws they have.
Yes, sometimes that happens when rewatching a series from childhood.
I tried watching End, but it’s so… Eh. I can’t make it through. I love these characters, and I don’t really want to watch their mental anguish for a solid two hours, especially if I know it isn’t going to make any sense at the end anyway.

I heard that the lead writer became really depressed when he was writing the ending, so that might be part of it, too. The fact that they had no animation budget is pretty obvious, lol, given that half the final episode is scenes recycled from the school setting. On the other hand, the new Rebuild movies have plenty of awesome animation and the writer is rewriting it while mentally stable. I’ve heard it’s just as dark as the original series, but the story works this time. I haven’t heard from anyone who didn’t love them, so I’ll probably have to check them out eventually.
The Rebuild movies began following the story, but after the second movie, began to drfit from the original plot.
 
Not exactly. It has philosophycal roots too. Photography had an impact in the portrait makers, but after the novelty settled, realistic representations continued. It was after the first steps of modern photography that Academic Art reached a peak, in the last decades of the XIX century. And in the XX century, after the 60’s, there was the photorealism movement, as a counter to the abstract and minimalist tendencies. Another areas that explored realism, were popular magazines, novel covers,movie posters, and commercial illustration, for example, Norman Rockwell.

Here is an interesting article about the topic (although it lacks more exploration on the decadence of modern philosophy and theology):

sirspamdalot.livejournal.com/48554.html
That’s a great essay. I can see how that works- and I hope he’s right that adults will eventually go back to seeing how great it is when the world around us and the meaning it has are put together and interpreted. Sad, though, that animation is considered mainly a children’s medium by a lot of people. It has so much potential. The possibilities are almost limitless.
These are the big possibilities of animation. Also, is easier to depict realistic or semi-realistic explorations of non realistic stories!
Yes! You know, thinking of your article, it occurs to me that speculative fiction is uniquely suited for animation. In the first place, it’s much easier to animate a somewhat cartoony spaceship or a dragon than it is to create a realistic image to place in a live-action movie. Even the dragons that look realistic are animated with computers, since there are some things we just can’t simulate any other way.

And secondly, speculative fiction is a realm ruled by ideas and metaphor, rather than pure realism. It’s never pure abstraction, because narratives can’t be abstract the way still visual art can. (Well, I guess you could try to make an abstract narrative, but I don’t think you’d come up with anything recognizable as a story.) I’ve heard far too many English teachers discuss science fiction as though it’s only about man’s relationship with machines, when it’s clearly often used as a tool to discuss men themselves, by taking them to a new setting and watching them react. Fantasy has even more freedom- it’s odd that teachers should dismiss it, but they always seem to. These give us the freedom to create worlds that work however we want them to, which frees us up to discuss meaning and concepts and humans rather than strictly mechanical problems. And animation is a great medium to use for that, because animation isn’t concerned with mechanical problems, either. If you can draw it, it can happen. Bam. But we almost never use it to tumble through a series of meaningless images distinct from reality, and when we do, the results are not impressive. Animation lets us focus on the essence of things, the important bits. It’s about reality, but it can capture reality as we see it, as it affects us- it’s reality with meaning, meaning and reality mixed together, because they’re linked and they lose something when we try to drive them apart,

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This is a phrase in cursive.
The entire quote shows up in cursive on my computer. Weird…

[QUITE]I see. Very interesting. I like to hear (or read) these life stories of people and their culture, entertainment, etc.

I’m glad it isn’t boring. I feel like it is, but hey! That’s why we make art in the first place, to record and communicate our feelings to other people, hopefully changing their lives for the better. It’s really important that way, and I guess it’s good to discuss how it affects specific people, negatively and positively.
Yes, sometimes that happens when rewatching a series from childhood.
Oddly enough, most of the things I liked as a kid were actually good when I rewatched them. I mostly watched stuff that I didn’t even like, though, and now I look back and wonder why I wasted my time. I watched hundreds of episodes of Dragon Ball Z, even though half the show was just guys standing around taunting each other and listening to the narrator. (I know exactly why I did that, though. I needed to know what happened to Piccolo. All the other characters just got in the way.)
The Rebuild movies began following the story, but after the second movie, began to drfit from the original plot.
So I’ve heard. Have you seen them? Were they better than the series?
 
Oddly enough, most of the things I liked as a kid were actually good when I rewatched them. I mostly watched stuff that I didn’t even like, though, and now I look back and wonder why I wasted my time. I watched hundreds of episodes of Dragon Ball Z, even though half the show was just guys standing around taunting each other and listening to the narrator. (I know exactly why I did that, though. I needed to know what happened to Piccolo. All the other characters just got in the way.)

So I’ve heard. Have you seen them? Were they better than the series?
LOL, I know some of the books that I went back to read were terrible (or were pretty good but had terrible moral messages). But some were as good as I remembered them. I never got into Dragon Ball Z, the animation and drawing style turned me off (I only watched 2 episodes). I luckily came to anime pretty late, but there are a few things that stand out. I used to enjoy the occasional digimon episode (along with Cardcaptors, and Shaman King I think they were called which aired on Saturday mornings), But I tired to go back and re-watch the beginning of Digimon, and I just couldn’t do it. It moved to slow, the transformations were just boring and repetitive. Oh well, it was never a favorite of mine anyway.

But what you say about Dragon Ball Z is also very true in Naruto (and I wonder if it is true in many shounen anime. Just fighters standing around yelling or talking at each other. Now I love Naruto, but I remember the pain of sitting through some of those filler episodes, or the “battle” scenes where no one moves for 2 episodes. Sigh. I read a few volumes of the manga, and that seems much better paced, and the anime should have condensed and combined the manga chapters into fewer anime episodes, rather than making each manga chapter a new anime episode.
 
What is that one about?
Wizard Barristers. Description says that people can use magic, and those who do sometimes transgress and when that happens a “magical court” is convened staffed with magical barristers. The lead is a gurl 🙂 who is just such a barrister.
Hachiman Hikigaya?
I remember that series, it was too short.
Nicknamed Hikki by the second girl. Yes. It was a very interesting series. More than contrived plot or fanservice. 🙂 The black haired girl is also a bit of a tsundere.
But what with the effeminate guy character? that was absurd. Maybe they were referencing a trend or something.
Note how in the more serious shows, the main villains were often effeminate.
Catholics in Japan date back to Saint Francis Xavier, the 30 Martyrs, and various Saints from that time and area. There are various interesting stories, like the one of Blessed Caius of Korea, Dom Justo Takayama, and others.
Indeed. Hence I think the writers would have enough knowledge of the religion, Catholicism and Christianity as a whole, per se.
That is a very interesting anecdote! thanks for sharing. 🙂
Only an anecdote but you’re welcome.
 
Yes, and sillier after looking at the bigger picture.
I’m not advocating for a rejection of entertainment, when I have spoke recently of these topics, here, in Facebook and with people I know in person, I try to remind people about High Culture and to not take their fandoms like if were a religion, or with a ridiculous amount of elitism, thinking themselves the most educated or cultured because their fandoms.
 
I don’t like these type of jokes. Another thing when watching series, is if I could recommend them, or thinking about fan art potential, something that happens with series with objectionable content is that I couldn’t do any of these, even when the content doesn’t affect me.

Nice!
The whole series and movie is now $45. I remember I bought the series one DVD at a time when it first came out in English ($18 if you preordered, $22 standard price). ADV did the release and I could not wait for each successive DVD, they were 2-3months apart. I think I found out about the series by seeing the previews on the Sakura Wars OAV DVD which was my second anime purchase on DVD.
 
LOL, I know some of the books that I went back to read were terrible (or were pretty good but had terrible moral messages). But some were as good as I remembered them. I never got into Dragon Ball Z, the animation and drawing style turned me off (I only watched 2 episodes). I luckily came to anime pretty late, but there are a few things that stand out. I used to enjoy the occasional digimon episode (along with Cardcaptors, and Shaman King I think they were called which aired on Saturday mornings), But I tired to go back and re-watch the beginning of Digimon, and I just couldn’t do it. It moved to slow, the transformations were just boring and repetitive. Oh well, it was never a favorite of mine anyway.

But what you say about Dragon Ball Z is also very true in Naruto (and I wonder if it is true in many shounen anime. Just fighters standing around yelling or talking at each other. Now I love Naruto, but I remember the pain of sitting through some of those filler episodes, or the “battle” scenes where no one moves for 2 episodes. Sigh. I read a few volumes of the manga, and that seems much better paced, and the anime should have condensed and combined the manga chapters into fewer anime episodes, rather than making each manga chapter a new anime episode.
Definitely. I know with DBZ the manga and anime were being made at the same time, so they would blow up short chapters into whole episodes by having explosions last 90 seconds or adding a bunch of insults. It’s crazy, and I’m amazed it was able to have any following at all, let alone the huge one it ended up having.

A lot of the “action” shows I’ve seen aren’t worthy of the name. Sometimes I’ll watch an anime and skip through the fight scenes to get to character stuff (I did that with parts of Naruto, before I got tired of it- only made it through the first 100 episodes or so). I really should just watch character-oriented shows, but my curiosity gets the better of me. :o
I find this sort of thing a recurring problem with anime. Shows are often unfinished. Additional material has to be sourced which explains endings better. Or series flat out start with one needing quite advanced knowledge of the universe beforehand.
Two reasons- one, anything with an ongoing storyline risks being canceled before the storyline is completed, if it doesn’t do well. And two, a lot of anime is based on manga that hasn’t ended when the anime airs. If the anime catches up to the manga, it either has to end without any sort of closure or come up with a new ending. The new endings are usually worse than the manga counterparts, partly because they’re written by different people and partly because they’re usually rushed.

Evangelion just ran out of money, though. And now it’s weird because they did go back and give it a different ending. Multiple times. 😛
 
Two reasons- one, anything with an ongoing storyline risks being canceled before the storyline is completed, if it doesn’t do well.
Except most series don’t get cancelled. The vast majority are completed. Often there is a second season and more.
And two, a lot of anime is based on manga that hasn’t ended when the anime airs. If the anime catches up to the manga, it either has to end without any sort of closure or come up with a new ending. The new endings are usually worse than the manga counterparts, partly because they’re written by different people and partly because they’re usually rushed.
Perhaps. But we’re dealing with a mature industry with hopefully innovative and creative, sensible, professional people. (Or maybe we’re not. I sometimes wonder. 🙂 )
Evangelion just ran out of money, though. And now it’s weird because they did go back and give it a different ending. Multiple times. 😛
Japanese audiences just like more of the same too. The same things repeat themselves. And the same series, for nostalgia sake, gets remakes. And probably money is a big reason too for much of this. Milking the same cash cow… 🙂

Oh and alternative universes and timelines…

But I can get the reason why “harem” ( I dislike this term ) type anime have no real “satisfying” endings. It leaves the way open for sequels - for $$$ - and of course it does not upset any fans. The true end partner is the viewer of course.
 
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