Anna Katarina Emmerich

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Does the Church approve the prophecies of this woman? I’m reading a book called Catholic Prophecies by Tan Publishers and she seems to have a lot of bad prophecies about Vatican II and the Novus Ordo mass or at least the writers make it seem that way.
 
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dizzy_dave:
Does the Church approve the prophecies of this woman? I’m reading a book called Catholic Prophecies by Tan Publishers and she seems to have a lot of bad prophecies about Vatican II and the Novus Ordo mass or at least the writers make it seem that way.
This woman is praised for her heroic life, not her writings. THe Bishops specifically excluded her wrtitings when they discussed her case.
 
Her writings however make for great meditation and prayer. I have also found them to be very helpful in keeping my mind and heart where it should be. Great spiritual food.

God bless.
 
There is something to keep in mind while reading the revelations to Anne Katherine Emmerich. The books we have today were not written by her. She would describe her visions to a man who would then write it down later. Sometimes he specifically states that he did not remember some point she made, and in some cases she told him she did not remember some of the things revealed to her. It must be assumed that some of what she said or he wrote may also be less than 100% accurate.

Having said that, I find it worthwhile meditating on her visions, but I keep in mind that the Church can never endorse it, since it is second or third hand narration.

You can read many of her visions at:

emmerich1.com/DOLOROUS_PASSION_OF_OUR_LORD_JESUS_CHRIST.htm
 
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dizzy_dave:
Does the Church approve the prophecies of this woman? I’m reading a book called Catholic Prophecies by Tan Publishers and she seems to have a lot of bad prophecies about Vatican II and the Novus Ordo mass or at least the writers make it seem that way.
She lived before Vatican II and the Novus Ordo. Whether anything she saw pertained to those things you have to judge for yourself.
 
People still buy TAN books?

I can think of better publishers.

Whatever she said you are reading her work interpreted by a writer with a third-rate publishing house. Consider the source.

Michael
 
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Hesychios:
People still buy TAN books?

I can think of better publishers.

Whatever she said you are reading her work interpreted by a writer with a third-rate publishing house. Consider the source.

Michael
It’s not on the original topic of the thread, but what’s the problem with TAN Books? They’ve been cited as a source of materials on Catholic Answers Live, and their catalogue seems to contain some pretty solid works. Have you had a bad experience with them?
 
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cmom:
This woman is praised for her heroic life, not her writings.
Not true! Please do some research before saying such misleading things.

My goodness, we wouldn’t have the “Passion of the Christ” movie without the writings Catherine Emmerich. We would not know where the house of Mary was without her writings.

Her insights into scripture and Catholic theology are as great as any saint I know of. The claim (of some people) that the poet Clemens Brentano fabricated much of the visions of Emmerich is absolutely absurd. No poet can fabricate the incredibly deep spiritual insight that is found in her works. If Clemens did fabricate them, them he deserves to be called a mystic for having such profound heavenly insight. But Clemens is not the only one that knew Emmerich. Many others have written about her and what she said including her confessor which all back up the accuracy of Brentano.

That may be the case for her canonization but it is her incredible visions and writings that have made her so famous. Her writings have been extolled and recommend by many theologians, bishops, priests and even popes (my memory escapes me, but I do remember reading that one pope after her death requested that an Italian translation of the Dolorous Passion of Christ be made for the faithful in Rome).

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, “Her treatment of that difficult subject, the twofold nature of Christ, is admirable. His humanity stands out clear and distinct, but through it shines always a gleam of the Divine. The rapid and silent spread of her works through Germany, France, Italy, and elsewhere speaks well for their merit. Strangely enough they produced no controversy. Dom Guéranger (Superior General of the Benedictines) extols their merits in the highest terms. … she saved many souls and recalled to the Christian world that the supernatural is around about it to a degree sometimes forgotten. A rumor that the body was stolen caused her grave to be opened six weeks after her death. The body was found fresh, without any sign of corruption. In 1892 the process of her beatification was introduced by the Bishop of Münster.

Leo Cardinal Scheffczk, who was made a cardinal by Pope John Paul II in February 2001, and who has been involved in the Emmerich beatification case, compared this servant of God to St. Teresa of Avila while he spoke at the 1990 episcopal Emmerich symposium in Munster. Referring to her stigmata, Scheffczyk remarked that her life can be seen as a “path of union with the suffering of Christ and her person as a paradigm of mystical suffering worthy of being entered into the ranks of a Teresa of Avila.”

In his address, this now prince of the Church examined the signs that speak for the authenticity and supernatural origin and character of Emmerich’s stigmata, childhood life of penance, and visions. These are “not to be explained by a natural religious inclination” in Emmerich, and they can "without the working of a special grace scarcely be explained… Her mystical grace was of the highest order… Emmerich was marked with the highest mystical grace, represented as the ‘mystical betrothal’ and the ‘spiritual wedding.’ The knowledge and spiritual instructions which she communicated in conversations and speeches with her contemporaries and which she could not have gathered through reading or self-study, are also an indirect proof for the authenticity of her elevated mystical state?’

The recorded visions of Emmerich were praised and recommended by, among others, St. John Neumann, St. Sophie Madeleine Barat (canonized 1925), St. Mary Euphrasia (canonized 1940), and Leon Dupont, the famous “holy man of Tours.”
 
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dizzy_dave:
Does the Church approve the prophecies of this woman? I’m reading a book called Catholic Prophecies by Tan Publishers and she seems to have a lot of bad prophecies about Vatican II and the Novus Ordo mass or at least the writers make it seem that way.
Ann Catherine Emmerich said nothing about the Novus Ordo mass. It is some very deceitful traditionalists that have fabricated erroneous “quotes” from Catherine supposedly prophesying about the new mass. What Catherine does talk about from time to time is the errors of the protestant rebellion, and the fact that they do not have the Eucharist, which is the source of all Christian life.
 
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Hesychios:
People still buy TAN books?

I can think of better publishers.

Whatever she said you are reading her work interpreted by a writer with a third-rate publishing house. Consider the source.

Michael
Hesychios, what do you think is so wrong with TAN books? I have several books published by them and like all of them, and have found no heresy or error in any of them. Their series for children on the biographies of the saints are some of my kids favorite reading materials in late elementary grades.

I am curious what the basis for your comment is here.
 
The following excerpts are from page 565 of “Life of Anne Catherine Emmerich”

"I saw St. Peter’s. A great crowd of men was trying to pull it down whilst others constantly built it up again. Lines connected these men, one with another and with others throughout the whole world. I was amazed at their perfect understanding.

"The demolishers, mostly apostates and members of different sects, broke off whole pieces and worked according to rules and instructions. They wore WHITE APRONS bound with blue riband. In them were pockets and they had TROWELS stuck in their belts. The costumes of the others were various.

“There were among the demolishers DISTINGUISHED MEN WEARING UNIFORMS AND CROSSES. They did not work themselves but they marked out on a wall with a TROWEL where and how it should be torn down. To my horror, I SAW AMONG THEM CATHOLIC PRIESTS. Whenever the workmen did not know how to go on, they went to a certain one in their party. He had a large book which seemed to contain the whole plan of the building and the way to destroy it. They marked out exactly with a TROWEL the parts to be attacked, and they soon came down. They worked quietly and confidently, but slyly, furtively and warily. I saw the POPE PRAYING, SURROUNDED BY FALSE FRIENDS WHO OFTEN DID THE VERY OPPOSITE TO WHAT HE HAD ORDERED…”

"Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities … I saw what I believe to be nearly all the bishops of the world, but only a small number were perfectly sound. I also saw the Holy Father - God-fearing and prayerful. Nothing left to be desired in his appearance, but he was weakened by old age and by much suffering. His head was lolling from side to side, and it dropped onto his chest as if he was falling asleep …Then I saw that everything pertaining to Protestantism was gradually gaining the upperhand, and the Catholic religion fell into complete decadence. Most priests were lured by the glittering but false knowledge of young school-teachers, and they all contributed to the work of destruction. In those days, Faith will fall very low, and it will be preserved in some places only, in a few cottages and in a few families which God has protected from disasters and wars. "
 
I would suggest getting a catalog from Tan books. I am somewhat unsure of a few of their books, don’t get me wrong they have many great books, HOWEVER titles such as Liturgical shipwreck, Time bombs in Vatican 2 and so on, are NOT pro Novus Ordo, Check for yourself, all I’m saying is use a bit of caution while reading SOME of their books.

I’ve been in on the Traditionalist side, these people are not stupid, I’ve your not stong in the “CORRECT” Catholic faith you may be pulled in. Be careful!
 
“Third rate”…appears someone has an axe to grind with Tan and is willing to subject Tan to calumny. :mad: :mad:
 
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dizzy_dave:
Does the Church approve the prophecies of this woman? I’m reading a book called Catholic Prophecies by Tan Publishers and she seems to have a lot of bad prophecies about Vatican II and the Novus Ordo mass or at least the writers make it seem that way.
The Church thinks marvels of her: after all, Pope John Paul II will BEATIFY her(she was already VENERABLE) THIS October 3rd, 2004 in ROME:clapping: .
 
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Hesychios:
People still buy TAN books?

I can think of better publishers.

Whatever she said you are reading her work interpreted by a writer with a third-rate publishing house. Consider the source.

Michael
MANY people I know who are catholic, and love the Church GET their catholic books from TAN(which always includes the Nihil Obstat, and IMPRIMATUR). TAN is one of the TWO Publishers of CATHOLIC Books which still maintains itself CATHOLIC, and has not fallen prey to the liberal feminist, kumbayah agenda, and political correctness found in many other “catholic” publishers. Mind you, I am young, 32 and so are my friends (20’s and 30’s) and we get hundreds of dollors a year in TAN books, because we like to study Catholic Books full of catholicism. PLUS, MANY!!! Parishes whos pastors are faithful, use TAN books for their CCD programs. TAN is doing very good ($$$) too, thank God, because I intend to continue buying their wonderful books. Hopefully, they will be around for many, many, many more years. Secondly, the next best publisher is Ignatius Press(I get my catholic books ONLY from these two publishers) who has published the famous and great Faith and Life Series, for grades 1-8.
EXCELLENT!!!
 
Hello, like many people, I first heard of Anne Catherine Emmerich(ACE) as the source for some of the detail in Gibson’s ‘Passion’ movie. I have been going through her two volume ‘Life and Revelations’ and I was wondering about the Catholic attitude to such writings. Looking at other sources on this website I seem to find:
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 That private revelations like these are not binding(i.e. you don't have to believe them to be a Catholic in good standing)

 That if a book is marked 'nihil obstat', as this one is, then this means the book is free of doctrinal and moral error, but does not confirm or deny  the books factual accuracy.
(If this is not so, I would be glad to hear what is the right understanding)

My question is: The Catholic Church allows that private revelations, if not contrary to dogma, may be authentic. If a vision turns out to have plain errors of fact, is it then declared as spurious?
I am thinking of this vison in particular:

“In the Second Week of Advent, Sister Emmerich was taken by her angel to the highest peak of a mountain in Thibet, quite inaccessable to man. Here she saw Elias guarding the treasures of knowledge communicated to men by the angels and prophets since the Creation. She was told that the mysterious prophetic book in which she had been allowed to read, belonged here. This was not her first visit. She had often been brought hither by her angel, and also to the terrestrial Paradise, not far distant. These places seemed to be closely connected, as in both she met the same holy custodians.”

Peaks in T(h)ibet may have been inaccessable in 1820, but I believe they had all been climbed by the end of the 20th century.I don’t recall anyone finding the prophet Elias on top of one with a mystical library. And has anyone found a terrestrial Paradise in the same area?

Just before this she tells of flying to a ‘large, strange-looking Jewish city’ in Abyssinisa, in great detail, which is too long for a post. Is there any such place?
(On the way there, she flies over Egypt. I will say that the descriptions of the Nile, pyramids, mummies and other sights of Egypt seem fairly accurate.)​

All references in the above are to Chapter XLI of ‘The LIfe and Revelations of ACE’, by Carl Schmoger.
 
Anyone wanting to defend the validity of the Emmerich visions, please join the Emmerich thread in Apologetics.
 
The following excerpts are from page 565 of “Life of Anne Catherine Emmerich”

"I saw St. Peter’s. A great crowd of men was trying to pull it down whilst others constantly built it up again. Lines connected these men, one with another and with others throughout the whole world. I was amazed at their perfect understanding.

"The demolishers, mostly apostates and members of different sects, broke off whole pieces and worked according to rules and instructions. They wore WHITE APRONS bound with blue riband. In them were pockets and they had TROWELS stuck in their belts. The costumes of the others were various.

“There were among the demolishers DISTINGUISHED MEN WEARING UNIFORMS AND CROSSES. They did not work themselves but they marked out on a wall with a TROWEL where and how it should be torn down. To my horror, I SAW AMONG THEM CATHOLIC PRIESTS. Whenever the workmen did not know how to go on, they went to a certain one in their party. He had a large book which seemed to contain the whole plan of the building and the way to destroy it. They marked out exactly with a TROWEL the parts to be attacked, and they soon came down. They worked quietly and confidently, but slyly, furtively and warily. I saw the POPE PRAYING, SURROUNDED BY FALSE FRIENDS WHO OFTEN DID THE VERY OPPOSITE TO WHAT HE HAD ORDERED…”

"Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities … I saw what I believe to be nearly all the bishops of the world, but only a small number were perfectly sound. I also saw the Holy Father - God-fearing and prayerful. Nothing left to be desired in his appearance, but he was weakened by old age and by much suffering. His head was lolling from side to side, and it dropped onto his chest as if he was falling asleep …Then I saw that everything pertaining to Protestantism was gradually gaining the upperhand, and the Catholic religion fell into complete decadence. Most priests were lured by the glittering but false knowledge of young school-teachers, and they all contributed to the work of destruction. In those days, Faith will fall very low, and it will be preserved in some places only, in a few cottages and in a few families which God has protected from disasters and wars. "
Let’s look at the description of the Holy Father for a moment. It very clearly matches that of John Paul II in the last years of his pontificate. Yet how could he be “God-fearing and prayerful” if the Mass that he said every day was invalid or displeasing to God? Traditionalists who cite this great woman as justification for their heresies either haven’t read the entire prophecies, or are so set on their own agendas that they don’t take the time to look at the logic.
 
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