Please don’t associate traditionalists with the OP’s viewpoint. There is a difference between fundamentalists and traditionalists. Fundamentalist Catholics can’t properly be called traditionalists because they only respect the authority of the Pope when he teaches something they like to hear. When he doesn’t, then obedience goes out the window. I saw the video of Pope Francis with the religious leaders and doctrinally, it doesn’t break with tradition. There was no claim that all religions lead to God (pluralism). Its purpose was to promote interfaith dialogue in the face of a history of religious wars. We can all work toward the common earthly good, which is what St. Augustine taught. Fundamentalists react as though Pope Francis was preaching universalism/all religions are equal. He is not. They should read his marvelous, “joy of the Gospel”
Please don’t associate traditionalists with the OP’s viewpoint. There is a difference between fundamentalists and traditionalists. Fundamentalist Catholics can’t properly be called traditionalists because they only respect the authority of the Pope when he teaches something they like to hear. When he doesn’t, then obedience goes out the window. I saw the video of Pope Francis with the religious leaders and doctrinally, it doesn’t break with tradition. There was no claim that all religions lead to God (pluralism). Its purpose was to promote interfaith dialogue in the face of a history of religious wars. We can all work toward the common earthly good, which is what St. Augustine taught. Fundamentalists react as though Pope Francis was preaching universalism/all religions are equal. He is not. They should read his marvelous, “joy of the Gospel”
Please don’t associate traditionalists with the OP’s viewpoint. There is a difference between fundamentalists and traditionalists. Fundamentalist Catholics can’t properly be called traditionalists because they only respect the authority of the Pope when he teaches something they like to hear. When he doesn’t, then obedience goes out the window.
- The thread has to do with people going around parishes asking people “do you have a personal relationship with Jesus”. It does not have to do with Pope Francis. There is reason to be concerned about random lay people going around and doing this.
Nor may the priests ever forget that they are forbidden by ancient canons to undertake ministry and to assume the tasks of teaching and preaching “without the permission of their bishop to whom the people have been entrusted; an accounting for the souls of the people will be demanded from the bishop.” Finally let them understand that all those who struggle against this established order disturb the position of the Church”-Pope Gregory XVI Mirari Vos
If priests have to have permission, how much more do lay people need???
- Since you brought up the odedience issue, here’s Canon 749 and 750 from the 1983 Code of Canon Law:
"Can. 749 §1. By virtue of his office, the Supreme Pontiff possesses infallibility in teaching when as the supreme pastor and teacher of all the Christian faithful, who strengthens his brothers and sisters in the faith, he proclaims by definitive act that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held.
§2. The college of bishops also possesses infallibility in teaching when the bishops gathered together in an ecumenical council exercise the magisterium as teachers and judges of faith and morals who declare for the universal Church that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held definitively; or when dispersed throughout the world but preserving the bond of communion among themselves and with the successor of Peter and teaching authentically together with the Roman Pontiff matters of faith or morals, they agree that a particular proposition is to be held definitively.
§3. No doctrine is understood as defined infallibly unless this is manifestly evident.
Can. 750 §1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.
§2. Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firm-ly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church."
So, the assent of the faithful is required to those things laid out by the Roman Pontiff, Pope Francis in this case, when he*** definitively*** reveals a doctrine to be upheld by all Christians.
