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Check out her website. She certainly hasn’t come full-circle. She’s totally pro-homosexuality and gay marriage. I was MOST disappointed to find that out. She thinks the Church needs to come into the twenty-first century. Too bad. Plus I hear her new book on Christ is pretty awful - unless you want to read books that say Jesus didn’t even know He was God till He was older.
I was MEGA excited about all this, till my coworker showed me her site.
We’ll just have to pray that she understands and accepts the Faith fully, I guess!
I was MEGA excited about all this, till my coworker showed me her site.
We’ll just have to pray that she understands and accepts the Faith fully, I guess!
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Indeed,Check out her website. She certainly hasn’t come full-circle. She’s totally pro-homosexuality and gay marriage. I was MOST disappointed to find that out. She thinks the Church needs to come into the twenty-first century. Too bad. Plus I hear her new book on Christ is pretty awful - unless you want to read books that say Jesus didn’t even know He was God till He was older.
I was MEGA excited about all this, till my coworker showed me her site.
We’ll just have to pray that she understands and accepts the Faith fully, I guess!
She has a long way to go yet in her conversion, lets pray she makes it the rest of the way, and will let go of more of the feminist and homosexualist views she clings to. And yes, I must admit her understanding of Christ is rather peculiar.
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How can I as a humble human being with many faults of my own judge another human being? I cannot! I can wish all people will find their way into the Catholic Faith because that is what I believe. But, I will not judge a person on their past behavior nor condemn all of their accomplishments because they haven’t joined in what I believe 100%. God makes all of us what we are; he gives us the freedom to choose our path, sometimes that path is very crooked but it is our own path. With that said I have been a fan of Ann Rice since she submitted her first manuscript to be published. I was part of a group of people publishing companies had read unpublished manuscripts to see if the “common people” would buy it.
I was very excited to see what she would write on this subject. I knew, that when her husband was diagnosed with incurable brain cancer that she was already trying to come back to her childhood faith. I wish her luck and pray for her journey.
I have read her latest book. It took me 4 days of only reading in the evenings and my lunch hour at work. It was that good! She is an excellent historian. She always gets the history of the time correct. I found her doctrine in the book to be sound Catholic teaching. I found her resources she used to be good ones. I also found her portrayal of Jesus to be an accurate depiction albeit based on supposition. Who could know but his foster father Joseph, His mother Mary and his family and Himself, what he was like as a child.
I found the portrayal of a child coming to an understanding about His Divinity to be a good one. God had a reason to have his Son born a child, born to a carpenter, born in a stable, to have had to flee his homeland to save his life. To come back and learn as a human child learns, to love as humans love. It was very touching and plausible. If I thought, even before this book, that if Jesus was born all knowing and all seeing as His Father in Heaven, then why come be born a child and be raised to adulthood. Why? The Jesus in the book understands, He knows the answers are their for Him any time he wants them, but, He knows he was born a child, to be a child, to grow up. He chooses to follow the path he was put on.
Take the blinders off for one minute and actually read the book. Don’t color it because she is not a perfect Catholic and still harbors beliefs of a life without the Catholic faith. God willing she will come around. Until then praise her accomplishment pray for her soul just as we would for any other person and judge the literature for what it is.
I was very excited to see what she would write on this subject. I knew, that when her husband was diagnosed with incurable brain cancer that she was already trying to come back to her childhood faith. I wish her luck and pray for her journey.
I have read her latest book. It took me 4 days of only reading in the evenings and my lunch hour at work. It was that good! She is an excellent historian. She always gets the history of the time correct. I found her doctrine in the book to be sound Catholic teaching. I found her resources she used to be good ones. I also found her portrayal of Jesus to be an accurate depiction albeit based on supposition. Who could know but his foster father Joseph, His mother Mary and his family and Himself, what he was like as a child.
I found the portrayal of a child coming to an understanding about His Divinity to be a good one. God had a reason to have his Son born a child, born to a carpenter, born in a stable, to have had to flee his homeland to save his life. To come back and learn as a human child learns, to love as humans love. It was very touching and plausible. If I thought, even before this book, that if Jesus was born all knowing and all seeing as His Father in Heaven, then why come be born a child and be raised to adulthood. Why? The Jesus in the book understands, He knows the answers are their for Him any time he wants them, but, He knows he was born a child, to be a child, to grow up. He chooses to follow the path he was put on.
Take the blinders off for one minute and actually read the book. Don’t color it because she is not a perfect Catholic and still harbors beliefs of a life without the Catholic faith. God willing she will come around. Until then praise her accomplishment pray for her soul just as we would for any other person and judge the literature for what it is.
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Why on earth would I want to waste time reading a book based on heresy? The heresy that Jesus didn’t even know He was God? There isn’t exactly room for creativity here when we are dealing with Our Lord - He isn’t some fictional character we can just mess with.
Furthermore, some people here seem to have a skewed view of what it means to “judge” someone. We cannot judge intents or another person’s soul, but we CAN judge actions. If she blatantly states on her webpage that she will not accept some of the teachings of the Catholic Church - homosexual marriage, women priests, contraception, then I can safely assume she is in serious error and is needing prayer. I cannot praise her for her conversion because frankly, there isn’t really one. She’s just picking and choosing what she wants to believe - which isn’t a response of Faith, but personal decision.
I will pray that God does use this small step she has made to bring her even further, but in the meantime I wouldn’t say she has come full circle.
Furthermore, some people here seem to have a skewed view of what it means to “judge” someone. We cannot judge intents or another person’s soul, but we CAN judge actions. If she blatantly states on her webpage that she will not accept some of the teachings of the Catholic Church - homosexual marriage, women priests, contraception, then I can safely assume she is in serious error and is needing prayer. I cannot praise her for her conversion because frankly, there isn’t really one. She’s just picking and choosing what she wants to believe - which isn’t a response of Faith, but personal decision.
I will pray that God does use this small step she has made to bring her even further, but in the meantime I wouldn’t say she has come full circle.
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We should be grateful that someone has rejoined the church at all, we are lucky to have someone decide to promote religion, and even if she is out of touch with some teachings, it doesn’t matter, that is her viewpoint. We are all different.
P.S. Good reply LightHouseRon
P.S. Good reply LightHouseRon
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Tonks40
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Maybe we should direct her to Catholic Answers!We should be grateful that someone has rejoined the church at all, we are lucky to have someone decide to promote religion, and even if she is out of touch with some teachings, it doesn’t matter, that is her viewpoint. We are all different.
P.S. Good reply LightHouseRon
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Many may not realize, also, that Rice has an actively homosexual son, who is also something of an activist. She carries a lot of personal hang-ups with this issue.
In regards to “judging” others, I have to point out that I, too, am a sinner. For this reason, should I not judge others? Of course not? But their actions? Yes. So many wonder why the Church picks on homosexuals over other sins. It doesn’t. The problem is, though, that while all of us are sinners, most of us are repentant and are trying to overcome those sins. A homosexual activist, such as Ann Rice, is someone who is actively promoting sin. For me, if I were to slip and engage in pornography and masturbation, it would be no less of a sin than homosexuality. Someone who has homosexual tendencies might also “slip”. Were I to actively campaign that the Church needs to accept pornography and masturbation, however, I would be acting defiantly and without repentance. I absolutely can judge the actions or words of another person who actively sins and promotes sin without feeling bad about it. I cannot judge that person because I don’t know what conversions God may work in her heart before her death (or under what obstacles her ignorace may have become invinsible).
The difference between all of us, who are sinners, and many active homosexuals (as with many active adulturers, etc.) is the difference between occasional “slips” and outright defiance.
In regards to “judging” others, I have to point out that I, too, am a sinner. For this reason, should I not judge others? Of course not? But their actions? Yes. So many wonder why the Church picks on homosexuals over other sins. It doesn’t. The problem is, though, that while all of us are sinners, most of us are repentant and are trying to overcome those sins. A homosexual activist, such as Ann Rice, is someone who is actively promoting sin. For me, if I were to slip and engage in pornography and masturbation, it would be no less of a sin than homosexuality. Someone who has homosexual tendencies might also “slip”. Were I to actively campaign that the Church needs to accept pornography and masturbation, however, I would be acting defiantly and without repentance. I absolutely can judge the actions or words of another person who actively sins and promotes sin without feeling bad about it. I cannot judge that person because I don’t know what conversions God may work in her heart before her death (or under what obstacles her ignorace may have become invinsible).
The difference between all of us, who are sinners, and many active homosexuals (as with many active adulturers, etc.) is the difference between occasional “slips” and outright defiance.
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Although she is technically a heretic, I don’t think there is any malice in her work. The fact that Mrs. Rice is earnestly seeking a personal relationship with Jesus and will possibly introduce Him up to new souls in need should be seen as a good thing, IMHO.
I looked through her website and noticed this letter to her from a priest (she seems to know personally). Carefully worded (read between the lines), but in general he praises her new book.
I looked through her website and noticed this letter to her from a priest (she seems to know personally). Carefully worded (read between the lines), but in general he praises her new book.
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Can we truly say that someone has rejoined the Church when they refuse to accept the teaching of the Church?We should be grateful that someone has rejoined the church at all, we are lucky to have someone decide to promote religion, and even if she is out of touch with some teachings, it doesn’t matter, that is her viewpoint. We are all different.
P.S. Good reply LightHouseRon
To be a Catholic one must follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. All of them. To pick and chose is to be protestant, not Catholic, as you raise yourself up as the final arbiter of the Faith.
Ann Rice is not a Catholic. She is in open dissent and promting dissent. Add to that the fact that her book contains heresy.
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As I said in another thread on this subject on this forum: Norma McCorvey (Jane Roe of Row v. Wade) did not become 100% prolife in on fell swoop. Or Christian in one fell swoop. Or Catholic…
But she is now.
Criticising Anne’ s (or Norma’s) journey that is unfinished as not being Catholic enough isn’t really constructive.
But she is now.
Criticising Anne’ s (or Norma’s) journey that is unfinished as not being Catholic enough isn’t really constructive.
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Bruised Reed:
There are many cafeteria Catholic’s out there. Conversion to Catholicism, while being a Cafeteria Catholic, isn’t really a true conversion in the true sense of being Catholic (IE UNIVERSAL IN CHURCH TEACHING and PRACTICE)
If she is speaking with such affirmation about the things she believes, and is not in line with Church Teachings, then there is no real conversion. She might as well, start her own church. (ANOTHER SPIN OF CATHOLICISM)
Humbleness is the first step to Holiness, and if a person is truly saying that they are against a specific teaching, then they are protestant. (PROTESTANT IS protesting against the church and teachings… not being in full communion.
So, yes… I tend to agree she returns as a Cafeteria Catholic, if what has been said is indeed true.
I have read through this thread, and I must say that I do not know much about this person. However, if what has been said is indeed true, she is a cafeteria catholic.
There are many cafeteria Catholic’s out there. Conversion to Catholicism, while being a Cafeteria Catholic, isn’t really a true conversion in the true sense of being Catholic (IE UNIVERSAL IN CHURCH TEACHING and PRACTICE)
If she is speaking with such affirmation about the things she believes, and is not in line with Church Teachings, then there is no real conversion. She might as well, start her own church. (ANOTHER SPIN OF CATHOLICISM)
Humbleness is the first step to Holiness, and if a person is truly saying that they are against a specific teaching, then they are protestant. (PROTESTANT IS protesting against the church and teachings… not being in full communion.
So, yes… I tend to agree she returns as a Cafeteria Catholic, if what has been said is indeed true.
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Bruised Reed:
I disagree. To stay silent would be telling her that she is right. I stand up for the Church and what it teaches. When one claims to be a Catholic yet holds views that are contrary to Catholicism, I will not stay silent.
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I agree! I think we would also both agree that this must be done with truth and love.
Love without truth is blind, truth without love is like a ‘clanging cymbal’.
Don’t let relativism creap into the church… all in the name of slow conversion.
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Well I only ever read one of Her Books, (interview with the Vampire) And only because it was placed in Historical New Orleans. My Hometown,
Entertaining story, Bad local history IMHO.
Mrs Rice was my neighbor for many years, (3rd house down the block from me) I used to find the droves of devotees,and tourists, A nightmare. Some of these people would just sit on the sidewalk under the liveoaks, for hours at A time. Just sit and stare at Her House. Bus companys even began busing them in (Particularly around Halloween)
I used to complain to Her Gardener all the time. (Even though she sold the Hous and Moved. they are still coming) (Even Post Katrina)
Then in Dec 2002 Her Husband died, I felt so sorry for Her, She left the wreath on the Door for A solid year. I began to pray she would return to the faith. And then my Neighbor told me She was coming to Mass at Old St. Marys Assumption. (This is the ritual Parish we live in) (I belong to another because they offer the indult)
Soon it was announced that she selling out and moving to cally. Now this New Book, And She identifies as Catholic now. So maybe She is slowly coming Home. Just taking baby steps. Anyway I still pray for Her.
Entertaining story, Bad local history IMHO.
Mrs Rice was my neighbor for many years, (3rd house down the block from me) I used to find the droves of devotees,and tourists, A nightmare. Some of these people would just sit on the sidewalk under the liveoaks, for hours at A time. Just sit and stare at Her House. Bus companys even began busing them in (Particularly around Halloween)
I used to complain to Her Gardener all the time. (Even though she sold the Hous and Moved. they are still coming) (Even Post Katrina)
Then in Dec 2002 Her Husband died, I felt so sorry for Her, She left the wreath on the Door for A solid year. I began to pray she would return to the faith. And then my Neighbor told me She was coming to Mass at Old St. Marys Assumption. (This is the ritual Parish we live in) (I belong to another because they offer the indult)
Soon it was announced that she selling out and moving to cally. Now this New Book, And She identifies as Catholic now. So maybe She is slowly coming Home. Just taking baby steps. Anyway I still pray for Her.
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Okay, I might as well stick both feet in my mouth.
How is it heresy to say that the seven-year-old Jesus didn’t relaize His divine nature as long as one doesn’t deny His divine nature?
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I made a comment that in addition to her dissent and fomenting dissent that her book contians heresy. I did not spell out what I thought that heresy was but I will now.
Yes I do believe that her saying that Christ did not know of his divine nature and had to grow into it is heresy.
To say this is to put forward the idea that Christ was two persons, one human born of Mary and then later a divine one. This is the heresy of Nestorianism.
I also think it could be the heresy of Kenosis as Kenosis is the idea that Jesus gave up some divine attributes while on earth. For God to not know that he is God would be such a thing.
The other issue I have that I think is heresy is saying that Christ killed a bully when he was 7 years old. Doesn’t matter if he later brought him back to life. As God Christ would not have done such a thing. This is just pulled from one of the Gnostic Gospels which happens to be another heresy.
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Thanks ByzCath - my answer as well.
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Rand_Al_Thor
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Peace be with you!
I agree fully with you, David. What Ms. Rice did here is used the Infancy Gospel of Thomas and then added her own ending to that part. She criticized the Church for the teachings on abortion and contraception because “Jesus didn’t mention them [in Scripture]”…but then she has no problem going to Apocryphal works that are **not **inspired Scripture and basing Jesus’ character on what she finds there.
Ms. Rice certainly doesn’t seem to bother doing any research as to why women can’t be priests or why homosexuality (acting on it, that is) is sinful. I can understand her problem with women priests if she hasn’t researched it and there isn’t a specific mention of it in the Bible, but homosexuality? That is so blatently clear in both the OT and the NT that I don’t see how these gay activist “Christians” can get around it!
In Christ,
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