Annointing of the sick for C-Section?

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babochka said:
I have never disagreed with you on this point. Our only point of disagreement is in what constitutes a serious illness.
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Bookcat said:
And likewise the very instruction for the** Rite** of the Sacrament from the Church states:

“A sick person may be anointed before surgery whenever a serious illness is the reason for the surgery.”

It must be a “serious illness”/ “dangerous illness” that is the reason for the surgery.
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There ya go in a nutshell.

Not going to really get into a casuistic back and forth 😉 “is this serious illness?” “is that?” …the doctors and Priests can sort that out.

The Principle is though clear.

“A sick person may be anointed before surgery whenever a serious illness is the reason for the surgery.”
 
babochka said:
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From the famed Canonist Ed Peters-- Edward N. Peters, JD, JCD, Ref. Sig. Ap. that can be helpful:

“First, in order for the Anointing to be licitly celebrated, it is not necessary that the recipient be in danger of death, but rather that the recipient begin to be in danger of death (see Canon 1004). Thus any personal physical condition which can proximately result in death is a proper condition for the celebration of the anointing. Children who are, however, seriously ill or injured, but not in a life-threatening way, are not proper candidates for this sacrament. Doubts about the sufficiency of the degree of danger, however, are to be resolved in favor of celebrating the sacrament (see Canon 1005).” canonlaw.info/a_childrenindanger.htm

Dr Ed Peters is the Edmund Cdl. Szoka Chair, Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit

And Referendary, Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, Rome
 
Bookcat said:
“First, in order for the Anointing to be licitly celebrated, it is not necessary that the recipient be in danger of death, but rather that the recipient begin to be in danger of death (see Canon 1004). Thus any personal physical condition which can proximately result in death is a proper condition for the celebration of the anointing. Children who are, however, seriously ill or injured, but not in a life-threatening way, are not proper candidates for this sacrament. Doubts about the sufficiency of the degree of danger, however, are to be resolved in favor of celebrating the sacrament (see Canon 1005).” canonlaw.info/a_childrenindanger.htm
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This is a bit of a tangent, but this statement seems to imply that children who are in danger of death can be licitly given the sacrament. Perhaps I’m reading this incorrectly. Eastern theology and practice does not exclude young children from the sacrament.

Edit: I just finished reading the whole link you sent. It is interesting and very clear. Even Ed Peters is not in a position to make this prudential judgement, however.

I acknowledge that the torn ligament is a stretch :)… although I maintain that it is a serious injury. I still think the conditions which lead to the necessity for a scheduled c-section could very well qualify.
 
babochka said:
This is a bit of a tangent, but this statement seems to imply that children who are in danger of death can be licitly given the sacrament. Perhaps I’m reading this incorrectly. Eastern theology and practice, does not exclude children from the sacrament.
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Yes if they have obtained the age of reason (different than in the East as I recall).
 
Bookcat said:
Yes if they have obtained the age of reason (different than in the East as I recall).
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Yes, in the East we don’t exclude young children from the sacrament.

After I read the quote in the context of the whole article, I realized that it didn’t imply what I was thinking.
 
In any case it is up to the priest whether or not he thinks you qualify. However, he is not going to seek you out; you have to ask. While I am not in favor of priest shopping in general, in the case of the Anointing I would ask a second and maybe even a third priest if the first says no.

A couple of years ago I was rather deeply depressed and asked a priest to anoint me. He refused on the grounds that the Anointing is only for physical ills. So I told him my health problems and that I was over 70. At that he agreed to anoint me and sent me into the chapel to pray by the Tabernacle. He came in a few minutes later and anointed me.

Some Vietnamese ladies were praying in the back of the chapel at the time. One followed me out and asked it the priest had anointed me. I told her yes that I had some problems. She promised that they would pray for me.

Whether it was the anointing, or the ladies’ prayers, or both, a couple of minutes later the depression vanished like a switch had been turned off and didn’t return,
 
And then there are actual pregnancy emergencies in which there is no
time for anointing Lol. I went into labor, normally, developed a headache and
bam! Baby delivered in eleven minutes because I had a stroke. Lol.
Everything turned out fine and we didn’t have time to even find a phone.

Ah we all do what we can.
 
marywarfield said:
And then there are actual pregnancy emergencies in which there is no
time for anointing Lol. I went into labor, normally, developed a headache and
bam! Baby delivered in eleven minutes because I had a stroke. Lol.
Everything turned out fine and we didn’t have time to even find a phone.

Ah we all do what we can.
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oh oh!

Yes let us all frequent confession 🙂 Such assists too with “daily venial sins”
 
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