Annulment, In-Valid, No Sacraments

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My Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Thank you all so much for responding to my questions. I feel revived and very hopeful in my mission to be in full Communion with God and His Church once again. I must say I am relieved the deacon was wrong and feel sorry for those persons who lose faith in the Church because they are told incorrectly and do not continue to seek answers. While I do not particulary want to go through my parish church now, I feel it is my duty as a Catholic to inform the deacon of his incorrect teaching on Radical Sanation so that others may not be discouraged.

Again Thank you all so much! My heart rejoicing in this and I shall continue to post throughout this journey so that others may find this and learn they are not alone.

God Bless ALL!
Thanks for the update, will keep you in my prayers. Don’t think the deacon will be pleased to be told he is wrong; perhaps make an appointment with the parish priest to discuss how to proceed further with this application (you may need his referal); the deacon would come to know his error when he sees that you are being helped in this regard. Anyhow, good luck and I’m very happy for you.
 
Thanks for the update, will keep you in my prayers. Don’t think the deacon will be pleased to be told he is wrong; perhaps make an appointment with the parish priest to discuss how to proceed further with this application (you may need his referal); the deacon would come to know his error when he sees that you are being helped in this regard. Anyhow, good luck and I’m very happy for you.
Hello everyone! I contacted the deacon and while I’m not sure how he felt about being told what Canon Law states regarding Radical Sanation. I did reference it and he looked it up while we were on the phone. He has asked me to provide my baptismal records, certified marriage license, and proof of my question submitted to this forum. He has planned to meet with me this Friday. He wants to ensure that I know what I am asking of both him and the Church. He also informed me I will be required to sign a document stating I will raise my children in the Church, which I am already doing. I am still going to seek out my parish priest to let him know.

As for the individual who reminded me to act in a kind way, I am and I’m scared/nervous. So long have I prayed for God to help me. When I was told no originally, I wept. Then I found this fourm full of people who gave me answers, I will continue to pray for my husbands return to the Church, but I am glad to be working my way back Home.

As for my shame and removal from the Sacraments, I do offer it as part of my suffering and reparation for sins. There will be no greater joy to me than to be able to receive the Sacraments of Reconciliation and hear the words of absolution and to receive the Eucharist for the first time. This has been a very difficult journey full of sorrow and tears.

Thank you all again.

God Bless.
 
Hello everyone! I contacted the deacon and while I’m not sure how he felt about being told what Canon Law states regarding Radical Sanation. I did reference it and he looked it up while we were on the phone. He has asked me to provide my baptismal records, certified marriage license, and proof of my question submitted to this forum. He has planned to meet with me this Friday. He wants to ensure that I know what I am asking of both him and the Church. He also informed me I will be required to sign a document stating I will raise my children in the Church, which I am already doing. I am still going to seek out my parish priest to let him know.

As for the individual who reminded me to act in a kind way, I am and I’m scared/nervous. So long have I prayed for God to help me. When I was told no originally, I wept. Then I found this fourm full of people who gave me answers, I will continue to pray for my husbands return to the Church, but I am glad to be working my way back Home.

As for my shame and removal from the Sacraments, I do offer it as part of my suffering and reparation for sins. There will be no greater joy to me than to be able to receive the Sacraments of Reconciliation and hear the words of absolution and to receive the Eucharist for the first time. This has been a very difficult journey full of sorrow and tears.

Thank you all again.

God Bless.
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+It’s wonderful that you are forging full steam ahead NID10921! Be sure to emphasize to the deacon and your priest that . . . **for your soul **. . . and for your spiritual health and welfare . . . this is a . . . most serious matter . . . even as the Church teaches partaking of the Eucharistic Christ is enormously important for the health and strengthening of the soul . . . and that this Holy Sacrament is stressed as **essential **to a Catholic’s life as a child of God . . . it is exactly and precisely because serious matters like this come up that Radical Sanation came into being in our Holy Mother Church . . .

May God sweetly bless . . .

. . . all for Jesus
. . . thank You Blessed Lord our God
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Hello everyone! I contacted the deacon and while I’m not sure how he felt about being told what Canon Law states regarding Radical Sanation. I did reference it and he looked it up while we were on the phone. He has asked me to provide my baptismal records, certified marriage license, and proof of my question submitted to this forum. He has planned to meet with me this Friday. He wants to ensure that I know what I am asking of both him and the Church. He also informed me I will be required to sign a document stating I will raise my children in the Church, which I am already doing. I am still going to seek out my parish priest to let him know.

As for the individual who reminded me to act in a kind way, I am and I’m scared/nervous. So long have I prayed for God to help me. When I was told no originally, I wept. Then I found this fourm full of people who gave me answers, I will continue to pray for my husbands return to the Church, but I am glad to be working my way back Home.

As for my shame and removal from the Sacraments, I do offer it as part of my suffering and reparation for sins. There will be no greater joy to me than to be able to receive the Sacraments of Reconciliation and hear the words of absolution and to receive the Eucharist for the first time. This has been a very difficult journey full of sorrow and tears.

Thank you all again.

God Bless.
I am familiar with how the radical sanation is done, which may actively involve one spouse only. What forms are used depends upon the diocese, but I have seen what is used in a few dioceses. After interview and any marital instructions, there are forms to submit:
  1. recent sacramental records (baptism, confirmation, marriage, church of enrollment)
  2. witnessed affadavits of freedom to marry (bride and groom)
  3. bride form and groom form
  4. marriage registration and dispensation form, promise to raise children Catholic
The decree of retroactive validation received from the Chancery could include:
  • dispensation from lack of form (by nature)
  • as a precaution, dispensation from disparity of worship
  • permission for mixed religion
  • any other dispensations or permissions needed
The priest or deacon may not be clear on where to file the forms: “Once granted, the sanation should be recorded in the wedding registry of the parish submitting the sanation and parish(es) of baptism should be notified.”
 
Well done, NID1092! Very brave of you. I am appalled at how much suffering you have been through. Yes, know what you mean about ‘weeping’ when told, such a shock. The question is, why no real help? Just goes to show that if you did not inform yourself, you would still be suffering.

I still strongly advise (I’m a wary warrior) you to inform/consult your parish priest, as serious issues pertaining to salvation matters and Sacraments -Reconciliation & Eucharist - are his direct responsibility. He may be totally unaware of your situation (you don’t say if you have had dealings with him, but I have assumed some, as you say you cannot get absolution, that can only be given by a priest in the confessional as we know, was he the priest?)

If your information has come to you from this deacon alone, I urge caution in your dealings with him. Still convinced that humans don’t like to be in the wrong, especially in a serious matter like this, where as a result of misinformation, you have suffered and been deprived of the Sacraments. Possibly being diplomatic and not showing how much more you now know than him, you can safely navigate this situation.

Wishing you all the best, some very good advice given on the post above. Will keep you in my prayers.

PRAYER TO THE HOLY FACE OF JESUS
Be merciful to us, O my God, and reject not our prayers,
when amid our afflictions we call on Thy Holy Name
and seek with love and confidence Thine adorable Face. Amen
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What is church of enrolment?
The parish that keeps your sacramental record notations is the parish at which you were was baptized or, in the case of converts coming from other Christian denominations, the parish in which one made first communion and confirmation. If you are baptized at St. A, then your family moves, and seven years later you make your communion at St. B, then you move again and make your confirmation eight years later at St. C, then ten years later you are married at St. D, all of these sacraments are communicated to St. A, which notes them in the parish register. If you were baptised as a Lutheran and became a Catholic as an adult, then the Lutheran baptism will be noted at St. E, along with first communion and confirmation when you became a Catholic. The rest follows the same procedure.
 
The parish that keeps your sacramental record notations is the parish at which you were was baptized or, in the case of converts coming from other Christian denominations, the parish in which one made first communion and confirmation. If you are baptized at St. A, then your family moves, and seven years later you make your communion at St. B, then you move again and make your confirmation eight years later at St. C, then ten years later you are married at St. D, all of these sacraments are communicated to St. A, which notes them in the parish register. If you were baptised as a Lutheran and became a Catholic as an adult, then the Lutheran baptism will be noted at St. E, along with first communion and confirmation when you became a Catholic. The rest follows the same procedure.
Ok … yes … I know and understand that … but which one is your church of enrolment?:confused:
 
What is church of enrolment?
Oh, well it there seems to be different ideas of church of enrollment. Some are thinking of where the baptism occurred, and maybe others where one is registered. What I meant was the Church sui iuris that one belongs to, which means one of the 23 Catholic Churches (Latin Church and 22 eastern Catholic Churches). If a person transfers at marriage or by grant, it must be recorded in the sacramental records.

I found out that the parish of baptism has the baptism record, and if the other sacraments are given elsewhere, the records will exist elsewhere, but when done correctly, should also be updated at the record in the parish of baptism.
 
Oh, well it there seems to be different ideas of church of enrollment. Some are thinking of where the baptism occurred, and maybe others where one is registered. What I meant was the Church sui iuris that one belongs to, which means one of the 23 Catholic Churches (Latin Church and 22 eastern Catholic Churches). If a person transfers at marriage or by grant, it must be recorded in the sacramental records.

I found out that the parish of baptism has the baptism record, and if the other sacraments are given elsewhere, the records will exist elsewhere, but when done correctly, should also be updated at the record in the parish of baptism.
Thanks: that makes sense. So, when in Post #25 you listed “church of enrolment” it was an example. I’ve always been a Latin Catholic so I’ll have no such record per se; just my baptismal record showing I was baptised in the Latin Catholic Church.
 
Thanks: that makes sense. So, when in Post #25 you listed “church of enrolment” it was an example. I’ve always been a Latin Catholic so I’ll have no such record per se; just my baptismal record showing I was baptised in the Latin Catholic Church.
I suppose that if it was a Latin Catholic Church it would be assumed to be a Latin enrollment, unless noted otherwise. I noticed, from ordering copies of sacramental records, that the annotations are not always made on the back. My records are in various places since I have been in many parishes over the years. Nobody, it seems, recorded first penance or first communion. (Not required, I think.)
 
Praying for you
HAIL HOLY QUEEN
Hail Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy
Hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve
To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears.

Turn then O most gracious Advocate thine eyes of mercy towards us
And after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus
O clement, O Loving, O sweet Virgin Mary
Pray for us O holy Mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
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The process is finally complete. Because of the support and information provided here, I did not take the deacon’s word. I contacted the Diocese where I live and left a message. I took a while, because the message was routed around the diocese till it got to the correct person. I was contacted by a WONDERFUL Deacon who listened and wanted nothing more than to help. He set to work right away and even contacted the Tribunal and asked questions in regards to my case. We filled out a simple questionnaire and did a short version of pre-cana without my spouse. Who actually called me one day while in the office completing the paperwork with the deacon. Within in 1 month, I received my letter from the Diocese acknowledging my marriage in the form of a Radical Sanation. Both mine and my spouse’s baptism records were then updated to acknowledge we have a sacramental marriage from the original date of marriage. I am pleased to say we will be married 6 years in October. Thank God for this blessing. My advice to anyone who truly desires to come back to the church, do not take NO for an answer. Look for a second opinion within the church. God wants us all to be whole and with Him. He will find a way. Have faith and do not give up.

God Bless and Thank you all
 
The process is finally complete. Because of the support and information provided here, I did not take the deacon’s word. I contacted the Diocese where I live and left a message. I took a while, because the message was routed around the diocese till it got to the correct person. I was contacted by a WONDERFUL Deacon who listened and wanted nothing more than to help. He set to work right away and even contacted the Tribunal and asked questions in regards to my case. We filled out a simple questionnaire and did a short version of pre-cana without my spouse. Who actually called me one day while in the office completing the paperwork with the deacon. Within in 1 month, I received my letter from the Diocese acknowledging my marriage in the form of a Radical Sanation. Both mine and my spouse’s baptism records were then updated to acknowledge we have a sacramental marriage from the original date of marriage. I am pleased to say we will be married 6 years in October. Thank God for this blessing. My advice to anyone who truly desires to come back to the church, do not take NO for an answer. Look for a second opinion within the church. God wants us all to be whole and with Him. He will find a way. Have faith and do not give up.

God Bless and Thank you all
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Congratulations. So often advice like this is given here without us ever finding out if the outcome was ultimately successful, so it’s very heartening to hear of your happy ending 🙂
 
Congratulations!! 😃

I know first -hand how emotional this process can be,
it will be one year tomorrow that our santation was granted! 🙂
 
Thank you for letting us know that everything worked out. Your story will be an inspiration for others who are trying to straighten out their marital situations. Prayer, patience and a little help from the great folks on the Catholic Answers Forums!
 
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