Annulment, is it contradictory to scripture or not?

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I mentioned earlier:

“Only God knows if they were married in His eyes or they were not”
You replied:

“Except of course the one Church…”
This implies that the Catholic Church knows if people are married in God’s eyes just like He does.

Are you saying that is not true, and you would agree that the annulment decisions of the Catholic Church ultimately amount to guesses?
They are a human decision made according to the facts discovered by careful investigation, they would not be infallible in my opinion in the normal sense of the word. The Church being vested with the authority of Christ does have the ability to make determinations about the validity of a Sacrament.
 
They are a human decision made according to the facts discovered by careful investigation, they would not be infallible in my opinion in the normal sense of the word. The Church being vested with the authority of Christ does have the ability to make determinations about the validity of a Sacrament.
So then you still won’t be able to tell people if their marriage was invalid, and that they could then get married! Some are going to end up adulterous over this one.
 
I’ve accomplished my goal…not to let someone without real world knowledge of this subject to have the only word. Maybe one person will find those links helpful (the main site links to much more information).
But that’s not even an argument. You simply accuse me of something, and present irrelevant information.

You don’t engage in any discussion on my comments
“Winning” an “argument” is never my goal.
Nor, it seems is presenting one.
Goodnight…you may now have the last word.
Very gracious of you 🙂
 
They are a human decision made according to the facts discovered by careful investigation, they would not be infallible in my opinion in the normal sense of the word. The Church being vested with the authority of Christ does have the ability to make determinations about the validity of a Sacrament.
By the way, why don’t you think the church has authority on this?
 
I know I’m coming to this argument a little late, but speaking as a catholic, annulment is nothing more than “catholic divorce”, in my humble opinion. I think the whole thing was just made up to explain away the rise of catholics seeking legal divorces.

The early years of my marriage were very rough, and believe me, I thought about divorce. I could’ve given a dozen reasons why my marriage could’ve been deemed “invalid”. Deep down, however, I knew that it would all just be excuses to help me get what I wanted which was out of a bad marriage. So I did what I promised to do, through good times and bad, and thank God, because 10 years later I am now in a happy marriage to a guy that I learned to love again, and not to mention four great kids that never would have been.

How much has been lost to the church because we have given in to the cultural acceptance of divorce.
 
They are a human decision made according to the facts discovered by careful investigation, they would not be infallible in my opinion in the normal sense of the word.
OK.

So this means these decisions are both fallible and capable of error due to their source in the human mind.

The question remains:

What good is an annulment if all it says is that a couple may or may not be married in the eyes of God?

That fact was already known before the annulment…even before the marriage. The annulment basically does not offer any more information than before, but it supplies the means to remarry without the very serious repurcussions.

This is very dangerous.

The worst problem is, IMO, is that the couple is not told after the annulment that it may be in error and that they indeed may be married in the eyes of God. They are told that their marriage IS invalid, not that it MAY BE invalid.

Whoa.

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I know I’m coming to this argument a little late, but speaking as a catholic, annulment is nothing more than “catholic divorce”, in my humble opinion. I think the whole thing was just made up to explain away the rise of catholics seeking legal divorces.

The early years of my marriage were very rough, and believe me, I thought about divorce. I could’ve given a dozen reasons why my marriage could’ve been deemed “invalid”. Deep down, however, I knew that it would all just be excuses to help me get what I wanted which was out of a bad marriage.
Thank you for such honesty and thank you also for not seeking any divorce/annulment.

This is a great testimony to the power of God to save broken marriages…not erase them.

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So then you still won’t be able to tell people if their marriage was invalid, and that they could then get married! Some are going to end up adulterous over this one.
In actuality, this is my greatest misgiving about such a practice.

When marriages are annuled,couples are not told that the process is imperfect and they still may or may not be married in the sight of God…and still responsible to God for those vows. What they are told is that their marriages never existed in God’s eyes to begin with.

Every time any of these annulments (guesses) are in error, then a great travesty of the sacrament has just been perpetrated, IMO.

Marriage is worth more than this.

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In actuality, this is my greatest misgiving about such a practice.

When marriages are annuled,couples are not told that the process is imperfect and they still may or may not be married in the sight of God…and still responsible to God for those vows. What they are told is that their marriages never existed in God’s eyes to begin with.

Every time any of these annulments (guesses) are in error, then a great travesty of the sacrament has just been perpetrated, IMO.

Marriage is worth more than this.

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I agree. His position seems to be even more strange. People (at the time) geuninely get married, and the church offers them the sacrament of marriage, and then years later the church admits that it did not offer a sacrament at all. The marriage was some kind of delusion. The chidlren are b*stards. The parents were living in adultery. What about all the times they received communion during that time?

What next? We’ll find pennance not real either?
 
I know I’m coming to this argument a little late, but speaking as a catholic, annulment is nothing more than “catholic divorce”, in my humble opinion. I think the whole thing was just made up to explain away the rise of catholics seeking legal divorces.
For Catholics, from what I can see, it’s not divorce because they simply decree that no marriage took place in the first instance.

This invention of a particular status seems to me to pose a great many problems, more so than it might solve.

At issue is that fact that the love and sharing between the two ‘spouses’ is now deemed to be adultery. The children are illegitimate. And so on…
 
If someone says “until death do us part,” in any context, and fails to live up to it, they sin. If the church they are a member of helps them, the church is in sin.
You really need to read Scripture on this. You are making claims that you don’t understand.

Lawful marriage and its implications are directly found in Jesus’ teachings. Its from here that we find the rule regarding annulment.

“I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.” Mat 19:9
 
You really need to read Scripture on this. You are making claims that you don’t understand.

Lawful marriage and its implications are directly found in Jesus’ teachings. Its from here that we find the rule regarding annulment.

“I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.” Mat 19:9
Christ never said “unless the marriage is unlawful” here.

That is not in the Greek text.

There is no annulment taught here, but divorce.

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That is not in the Greek text.
There is no annulment taught here, but divorce.
By marrying another, it is adultery if the first marriage is valid. If the first marriage is not valid, how can there be adultery? There was a practice of dissolving marriage before Jesus was even born. Jesus was clarifying a practice that was not being done correctly.

Let’s take a look at Greek text.
Matthew 5
31 "It was also said, `Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’
32 But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

the Lord permits divorce only for “porneia.” This Greek word generally means unlawful sexual intercourse due to either blood relations (also called incest) or nonsacramental unions. The Lord does not permit divorce for “moicheia” (adultery). It is also important to note that in these cases, a marriage never existed in the first place, so the Lord is not actually permitting divorce, but a dissolution of the unlawful union.

Another point: “moicheia” can be forgiven and healed, which further proves that Jesus never said “moicheia” (adultery) was grounds for divorce the way Protestants misinterpret this verse. “porneia.” would include remarrying without proper determination if the first marriage was invalid, a common practice with Protestants. They have no determining mechanism other than the pastors opinion based on the testimony of a divorcee, and a ruling of divorce by a civil court.

Nobody is granted an annulment for the sake of having one. People want one because they love someone and want to make sure without a doubt that they are not marrying into an adulterous relationship, according to 2000 years of teaching.

To object to the concept of annulments is to misunderstand the meaning of the Sacrament of Matrimony, which is not a wedding day.
 
the Lord permits divorce only for “porneia.” This Greek word generally means unlawful sexual intercourse due to either blood relations (also called incest) or nonsacramental unions. The Lord does not permit divorce for “moicheia” (adultery). It is also important to note that in these cases, a marriage never existed in the first place, so the Lord is not actually permitting divorce, but a dissolution of the unlawful union.
Some very good points. Annulment is however an attempt to say ‘now lawful union ever took place’ - however that ‘unlawfulness’ can simply be because they will say that the Holy Spirit never sanctified it - evidenced by the marriage breaking down in the first place. 🤷
 
Some very good points. Annulment is however an attempt to say ‘now lawful union ever took place’ - however that ‘unlawfulness’ can simply be because they will say that the Holy Spirit never sanctified it - evidenced by the marriage breaking down in the first place. 🤷
The fact that a Marriage “broke down” is not sufficient grounds by itself for the declaration of nullity.
 
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