Annulment: marriage never happened?

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Is the following statement true or false?

“If you obtained an annulment, it means the marriage never happened.”

Please explain your answer.
 
Is the following statement true or false?

“If you obtained an annulment, it means the marriage never happened.”

Please explain your answer.
False.

Myth Number 10
The truth is that an annulment can’t erase history, and doesn’t try to. An annulment in the Catholic
Church deals only with the sacrament of marriage, and not the legal, historical, emotional truth of marriage. An annulment states that the sacrament was never present in the marriage, and not that the marriage never took place. It is a myth that an annulment means that the marriage never happened.
 
False, because it is not as if no attempt at marriage was made. An attempt at marriage will have some of the features of a valid marriage which the pretense of marriage (such as living together and knowingly pretending to be married when you are not) would not have.

If you obtained an annulment, it means a* valid marriage* never took place, because some essential element was absent or some defect was present, even though a good faith attempt at marriage was made, such that children born of the marriage are legitimate and no fornication was committed between the parties attempting the marriage.
 
False.

[Myth Number 10](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/The truth is that an annulment can’t erase history, and doesn’t try to. An annulment in the Catholic)
Well… I guess it depends what you mean. Of course it doesn’t mean that the couple were never legally married, never had sex, never became emotionally attatched etc etc. But normally thats not what people mean when they talk about annulment meaning the marriage never happened. What they mean is that while the couple attempted to contract a valid (whether saacramental or not) marriage but because of some impediment failed to do so. Of course an annulment doesn’t change the past, it doesn’t make one no longer legally married or make it so that all the emotional and physical closeness the couple shared no longer happened, but what it does mean is that, in the eyes of the Church, the couple in question was never married, according to the Church’s definition of marriage. So I would answer the original question by saying yes. 🤷
 
**The truth is that an annulment can’t erase history, and doesn’t try to. An annulment in the Catholic Church deals only with the sacrament of marriage, and not the legal, historical, emotional truth of marriage. An annulment states that the sacrament was never present in the marriage, and not that the marriage never took place. It is a myth that an annulment means that the marriage never happened.
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(I clicked on the link but couldn’t find the source. What is the source?)

First, if “an annulment states that the sacrament was never present in the marriage, and not that the marriage never took place,” then let’s consider the logic of that. We say that if a couple is civilly married only, then that is not a real marriage. So when someone gets a decree of nullity, it would mean that the marriage *sacramentally *never took place, but civilly it did. Therefore, civil marriage *does *have some level of recognition from the Church, at least based on your quote, the source of which I cannot identify.
 
True. Because there was either defect in the form, lack of proper intention on the part of those entering into the contract, impediment to entering into a valid marriage contract, or if one or both parties were in any way coerced by people or circumstances around them.
The bond must be entered into knowingly and freely.
 
False, because it is not as if no attempt at marriage was made. An attempt at marriage will have some of the features of a valid marriage which the pretense of marriage (such as living together and knowingly pretending to be married when you are not) would not have.

If you obtained an annulment, it means a* valid marriage* never took place, because some essential element was absent or some defect was present, even though a good faith attempt at marriage was made, such that children born of the marriage are legitimate and no fornication was committed between the parties attempting the marriage.
Having “some of the features of a valid marriage” still renders it invalid. It seems to me that if it’s invalid, it’s invalid. It’s yes or no, not just “sort of.”
 
The truth is that an annulment can’t erase history, and doesn’t try to. An annulment in the Catholic Church deals only with the sacrament of marriage, and not the legal, historical, emotional truth of marriage. An annulment states that the sacrament was never present in the marriage, and not that the marriage never took place. It is a myth that an annulment means that the marriage never happened.

(I clicked on the link but couldn’t find the source. What is the source?)

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Fixed the link.
 
Fixed the link.
Thanks for fixing the link. But myth no. 10 seems to be explained too simplistically. So if the marriage happened, that would mean that a Catholic person who obtains an annulment would in some sense be getting remarried instead of being married for the first time???:confused:
 
Thanks for fixing the link. But myth no. 10 seems to be explained too simplistically. So if the marriage happened, that would mean that a Catholic person who obtains an annulment would in some sense be getting remarried instead of being married for the first time???:confused:
It is simplistic. It’s addressing a “myth” that I think is caused when well-intentioned people try to explain annulments to others using terms they thing tthe other person will l understand. I know I’ve heard good Catholics phrase it that way and I’m pretty sure I’ve repeated it.

Annulments are one topic I don’t feel equipped to discuss and I don’t want to make it worse so I’ll let someone more knowledgable answer.

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I wish I had it handy, but the paper I got in the mail said something along the lines of the marriage “was null and void from the time of its inception”. That isn’t saying that it didn’t happen, rather that it wasn’t valid. It is like saying a contract isn’t valid because some essential element was missing.

Here is how Webster’s defines “null and void” - having no force, binding power, or validity
 
False. A civil marriage happened. A sacramental marriage did not.
 
Having “some of the features of a valid marriage” still renders it invalid. It seems to me that if it’s invalid, it’s invalid. It’s yes or no, not just “sort of.”
I didn’t say it was “sort of” a marriage. I said it was an attempt made in good faith, such that there was no sin in the sex, no sin in the couple having represented themselves as married, and that the children are not considered “born outside of marriage”. If you say “a marriage never happened”, then to many people that implies that the sex and the children have been retroactively deemed illegitimate. Rather, there was no valid and therefore no binding marriage. That does not mean that in retrospect it is incorrect to refer to an invalid marriage as a marriage.

Or consider the Pauline Privelege: "A marriage entered into by two non-baptized persons is dissolved by means of the Pauline Privilege in favor of the faith of the party who has received baptism by the very fact that a new marriage is contracted by the same party, provided that the non-baptized party departs.” No valid sacramental marriage, so it may be dissolved, but there was a marriage. Far more rare would be a valid marriage between a Catholic and a non-Catholic, which can be dissolved by a decision from Rome because it is natural (and therefore can be dissolved) and still not sacramental.

IOW, when the Church deems that a marriage was invalid, it means that it was not a valid sacramental marriage. It does not imply that there was no natural marriage or no civil marriage.

You could say “If you obtained a decree of nullity, it means a valid sacramental marriage never happened.”

You may say I’m splitting hairs, but I am not. A Catholic who has contracted a natural marriage to one person is not free to marry someone else until the purely natural marriage has been dissolved. You aren’t allowed to commit bigamy just because your first marriage was not sacramental and was not binding for life. So the natural marriage is a “real” marriage.
 
i’ll post some specific language from the marriage tribunal when i get home later tonight, maybe it will help,
 
False, because it is not as if no attempt at marriage was made. An attempt at marriage will have some of the features of a valid marriage which the pretense of marriage (such as living together and knowingly pretending to be married when you are not) would not have.

If you obtained an annulment, it means a* valid marriage* never took place, because some essential element was absent or some defect was present, even though a good faith attempt at marriage was made, such that children born of the marriage are legitimate and no fornication was committed between the parties attempting the marriage.
Does this last statement mean that if the couple fornicated before they married that their marriage can be annulled?
 
I think the confusion is when you try to mix what the Church defines as a marriage and what civil authority defines as a marriage.

As Catholics, we are bound to marry according to Church law. If a couple weds according to Church law, they have a (presumed) valid, sacramental marriage. If in the future a decree of nullity is granted, it means that at the time of the initial marriage, there existed an impediment that prevented a valid marriage from actually taking place. In this case since no valid sacramental marriage occurred, the couple is not wed in the eyes of the Church, however since the marriage is presumed valid until the Tribunal determines otherwise, children born within the marriage are legitimate and no sin of fornication exists between the couple (of course, if they have sex after the decree is granted it would be fornication).

As far as the civil end of the marriage goes - the Church does not care. That is for the civil authorities and divorce lawyers to battle out. I am pretty sure you can be civilly divorced but still sacramentally married and vice-versa.
 
i’ll post some specific language from the marriage tribunal when i get home later tonight, maybe it will help,
“The Metropolitan Tribunal of the Archdiocese of ATlanta has completed its investigation and rendered an affirmative decision regarding your petition for an ecclesiastical declaration of nullity for your marriage…This means that the consent given at the time of the wedding did not meet the requirements of Catholic Church law although it may have fulfilled the requirements of civil law…This sentence does not affect the legitimacy of any children born of the marriage and this decision does not have any civil effects.”
 
Does this last statement mean that if the couple fornicated before they married that their marriage can be annulled?
No. Sexual sin prior to a marriage does not automatically remove a couple’s ability to contract a valid marriage.

It means that marital relations that took place during the attempt at marriage are not retroactively declared to have been fornication and children born from them are not retroactively declared to have been born outside of wedlock. An attempt at marriage enjoys the presumption of validity until it is declared null, and sometimes even if a sacramental marriage was not present, a civil marriage was.

This is an important distinction to make because this unfortunate misconception can add greatly to the hurt that a family goes through when a marriage turns out to have been invalid. It is hard enough to find that a civil marriage did not have the qualities necessary to be a valid sacramental and indissoluble marriage. It is often a devastating thought, and for the sake of those who entertain it, every effort should be made to reassure them with the truth.

The family should at least know that the good faith present in the attempt did count in favor of the children and the good intentions that did exist in the couple–I do not mean that good faith is retroactively created in a one spouse whose lack of good faith was one of the reasons the marriage was not valid–and that it is not as if there was not even a civil marriage.

Of course, it is also possible for a civil marriage to be declared null, such that there really was nothing but good faith on the part of the innocent parties. If a man is already married such that even he is not rationalizing that his first marriage is not still in force, then he knows he is transgressing moral law by pretending marriage and having marital relations with a second wife. If his second wife is innocent of his existing marriage, she commits no moral transgression by having attempted a civil marriage with him. If both parties were to have known that one or both was not free to marry even under civil law, then of course they know their marriage is a total pretense and there really is no legal marriage and no good faith on anyone’s part. Whether civil law would literally say that when two people pretend a civil marriage when neither was legally free to marry that “a marriage never happened,” I do not know. I am sure that the distinction is very important when it comes time for a court to decide who owns the assets that the bigamous couple had accumulated, though!

Contrast a civil marriage, which the Church sees as an actual but possibly dissoluble marriage, with a marriage between two people of the same sex that is recognized by a secular government. The latter is not even a natural marriage. It is impossible that the Church will recognize it as a marriage. Now, the Church prohibits Catholics from attempting marriage when they are not free to marry by the laws of the state, provided that the state does not violate their natural rights by, for instance, prohibiting Catholics from legal marriage to each other. If a person were establishing their right to marry in the Catholic Church, all marriages recognized by the state would have to be dissolved in the eyes of the state, even marriage to a same-sex partner, but that doesn’t mean that the Church believes a marriage ever takes place between persons of the same sex. It simply means that Catholics are required to abide by secular law when they marry in the Church.
 
Is the following statement true or false?

“If you obtained an annulment, it means the marriage never happened.”

Please explain your answer.
True and false.

True. There was a civil marriage and an attempt at a valid marriage.

False. There was never a valid sacramental marriage.

The Church doesn’t ‘annul’ a marriage. That is, they do not perform an action which nullifies the marriage. The church conducts an examination of the marriage, and if it is found to be invalid declares that it was null from the start.
 
True and false.

True. There was a civil marriage and an attempt at a valid marriage.

False. There was never a valid sacramental marriage.

The Church doesn’t ‘annul’ a marriage. That is, they do not perform an action which nullifies the marriage. The church conducts an examination of the marriage, and if it is found to be invalid declares that it was null from the start.
Correct. A decree of nullity (or invalidity) states that a valid sacramental marriage did not take place.

This is true of a civil decree of nullity, as well. Some people are not even aware that secular governments give annulments instead of only divorces. For instance, if a woman marries a man and finds that he was already married and committed bigamy by marrying her, she can go to court and get a civil decree of nullity declaring that a legal civil marriage never took place, because of the disqualifying defect she did not know about at the time. (There are other defects that render a civil marriage null, too, of course…)
 
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