Annulment Pre Cana rules

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FYI, I never had PreCana either. I never even heard of it until after I converted.
 
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The provable fact we received no pre Cana instruction seems to be a point the tribunal don’t want to discuss, it should be the first question on the annulment application form!
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I had no premarital preparation whatsoever. I did not even meet the priest until the day of the wedding. Granted, that was in another country but the fact remains.

Indeed, many dioceses have “policies” on premarital preparation but failing to observe those policies is not understood to be some sort of impediment to marriage. It is up to the priest to determine whether or not the Parties are apparently prepared and competent for marriage (whether or not they go through this or that “program”).

Dan
 
I presume you’re remarried or wish to be?

Prayers for a peaceful resolution to your situation.
 
You are obviously hurt, and that is understandable. However, you don’t need to repeatedly make your case here. Give your information to the tribunal, and have faith that everything will work out, because it will. We understand that you didn’t receive pre-Cana instruction; however, that in and of itself is not an impediment to marriage. Just tell them that, then leave it alone. Believe me; most dioceses have substantially increased the requirements to be married, including a variety of pre-marital counseling and other opportunities to make the purposes and obligations of Catholic marriage clear. However, this has not made a dent in the divorce rate among Catholics. Most people are formed by sources outside the faith, sad to say.
 
JanetF said:
But there’s nothing that can be done about that now except check to make sure that the classes are now offered for future couples.
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That’s a little too strong.

The classes exist in the present form because of all the invalid marriages.

While it’s absence isn’t itself grounds for a finding of nullity, it’s absent does take away at least a bit of the presumptions about what the couple would normally be brought to understand on the course.

So, by itself, nothing; as part of the whole, it certainly moves the needle.

Also, at least in my local RC diocese, pregnancy is seen as taking away the capacity to consent (not en toto), and very much not grounds for shortening the
 
I think you might find that many of us who got married in the church never had any kind of marriage preparation. Fourteen weeks elapsed between the day my fiancé and I decided to get married, in 1975, to the day of the wedding. We were in separate provinces until 5 days before the wedding. My pastor didn’t meet my husband until he greeted us at the back of the church 30 minutes before we said our vows. My fiancé might have had preparation from the Catholic Padre on the Base where he was posted at the time, since he was a non-Catholic requesting to marry a Catholic, but I certainly had none.
 
Soapyhk said:
it seems to me that the church makes the process difficult & daunting on purpose. The questions are almost certain to reignite and inflame old fires rather than healing.
I am accepting almost full responsibility for role the marriage breakdown due to my pre & post marriage infidelity and my lack of understanding of the requirements and duties of a catholic husband and parent.
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It seems that way at first(which is why I sat on mine for 2 years) but I promise it will open your eyes to such a wonderful perspective and healing.

Please know that the deterioration of your marriage is NOT one sided and I encourage you to speak at length with your parish advocate throughout this process

There are many reasons that you Diocesean advocat can find grounds for an annulment ( mine was defect of consent) however, the tribunal finds the reason based on the evidence YOU provide in the 60+ questions you answer in your statement. It is important to be very open, honest and provide as much detail as possible.
 
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I’m guessing you were married in Philipines where there was or is a huge diffarence to catholic annulment from most places. Am I correct?
 
I would like to know the % of successful annulment applications, having not yet had the chance to ask or discuss. I firmly believe I have a strong case for my marriage being nullified, I was totally unaware of the rules & until this year never even bothered to try. Now I have gone through the first part of the agonising process I will be pretty devastated if the application is declined.
 
With the greatest respect!! Is this not the purpose of a forum?? I have learned a lot from some very polite replies, thank you.
 
The Dioceses do not release statistics on the number of cases that are accpepted for review. This is the reason that there are more affirmative decisions by Tribunals, because the cases without merit are most often not accepted in the first place.

Good article on the stats (it also speaks to the earlier jurisdiction questions) http://www.canonlaw.info/a_annulments.htm
 
Oh boy, you couldn’t be more wrong. This was in a small parish in Atlantic Canada.
 
Please accept my unreserved apologies for jumping to conclusions:pray:🙏🙏
 
With regards to the “lack of Precana” as a possible factor …

I wonder, do tribunals take into account other kinds of marriage prep?

We had a specific marriage prep course, but I’m sure we both learned far more about marriage in many years of parochial school, observation of our own parents marriages, etc.

I’m guessing that tribunals consider all these factors as part of judging adequate preparation.

Does the length of time the couple was living together after wedding affect the prospect for annulment?
 
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One of the only reasons that my marriage lasted so long was the fact that I was in the military. It was also the main reason for speeding up the marriage process with little thought on my part. So although I received no pre Cana instruction I am not putting all the blame for my decisions on this fact. I am merely stating that lack of pre Cana instruction in combination with my own unsuitability to be wed in church made divorce almost certain. A few simple checks by the Preist would have been enough. My ex wife arranged the whole wedding, so I was not actively part of any preparation
 
I certainly think prayers for your situation is far more important than satisfying my curiosity about the anullment process. Will pray.
 
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