Annulment vs. Civil Divorce

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I mean do the parties contend that while their prouncement of their vows was in good faith (as would be presumed), their understanding of what they were promising at the time of their vows that of their own denomination, which taught that the honest pronouncement of the vows still allowed for divorce later?
Not necessarily. I was baptised and married while a Presbyterian to my (then unbaptised) wife. While the Presbyterian church allows divorce my wife and I both agreed before we got married that it was for life. Divorce was assuredly off the table when we exchanged vows. It would only have been a defect if either of us thought that we would stay together until things went sour. If the intent is for life when the vows are exchanged and then things go sour and you change your mind that isn’t automatic grounds for a declaration of nullity. The tribunal would need to find that there intent for a life long bond was not present at the time vows were exchanged. Admittedly most people don’t outright declare that divorce is not a possibility, but one cannot assume that just because their denomination allows divorce that they automatically have a defect of consent.
 
Not necessarily. I was baptised and married while a Presbyterian to my (then unbaptised) wife. While the Presbyterian church allows divorce my wife and I both agreed before we got married that it was for life. Divorce was assuredly off the table when we exchanged vows. It would only have been a defect if either of us thought that we would stay together until things went sour. If the intent is for life when the vows are exchanged and then things go sour and you change your mind that isn’t automatic grounds for a declaration of nullity. The tribunal would need to find that there intent for a life long bond was not present at the time vows were exchanged. Admittedly most people don’t outright declare that divorce is not a possibility, but one cannot assume that just because their denomination allows divorce that they automatically have a defect of consent.
You explained that so well. Thank you.
 
The denomination you were in does not have the authority to allow for divorce, because only the Catholic Church was given the power to bind and loose. Your former denomination, frankly, is lying to people when it tells them that their marriages are dissolved by divorce.
Well, misinforming people might be a better way to put it than lying to them, because some have no intention at all to deceive. The pastors who are telling others that it is OK when they do secretly know otherwise are lying, though, even if they are only teaching what their denomination tells them to say.
 
Not necessarily. I was baptised and married while a Presbyterian to my (then unbaptised) wife. While the Presbyterian church allows divorce my wife and I both agreed before we got married that it was for life. Divorce was assuredly off the table when we exchanged vows. It would only have been a defect if either of us thought that we would stay together until things went sour. If the intent is for life when the vows are exchanged and then things go sour and you change your mind that isn’t automatic grounds for a declaration of nullity. The tribunal would need to find that there intent for a life long bond was not present at the time vows were exchanged. Admittedly most people don’t outright declare that divorce is not a possibility, but one cannot assume that just because their denomination allows divorce that they automatically have a defect of consent.
Yes, that was well-explained. I meant a couple who could say that at the time of their marriage that they believed divorce to be something that they only hoped to avoid, but that they held open to themselves as a possibility.
 
Well, misinforming people might be a better way to put it than lying to them, because some have no intention at all to deceive. The pastors who are telling others that it is OK when they do secretly know otherwise are lying, though, even if they are only teaching what their denomination tells them to say.
Fair enough.
 
Yes, that was well-explained. I meant a couple who could say that at the time of their marriage that they believed divorce to be something that they only hoped to avoid, but that they held open to themselves as a possibility.
Fair enough. If a couple entered marriage with the understanding that it could end before the death of either spouse then that could be grounds for a declaration of nullity. I guess I just wanted to make it clear that it is the couple’s understanding/intent and not their religious creed that would be investigated for defect of consent.

Don’t want anyone to think that there are built in escape clauses if you’re not Catholic. My wife and I joke that we stumbled into a true marriage despite our parents and society’s example. 😉
 
Fair enough. If a couple entered marriage with the understanding that it could end before the death of either spouse then that could be grounds for a declaration of nullity. I guess I just wanted to make it clear that it is the couple’s understanding/intent and not their religious creed that would be investigated for defect of consent.

Don’t want anyone to think that there are built in escape clauses if you’re not Catholic. My wife and I joke that we stumbled into a true marriage despite our parents and society’s example. 😉
However, it is a great victory of the Devil that so many “Christian” churches preach the hellish lie that man can tear asunder what God has joined.
 
OOPS! She is one knowledgable person!
You’re not the first and won’t be the last. I think part of it is her username looks like, “Ike” when it is 1 as in the numeral one+ke. So people assume they are talking to “Ike.”
 
You’re not the first and won’t be the last. I think part of it is her username looks like, “Ike” when it is 1 as in the numeral one+ke. So people assume they are talking to “Ike.”
😃 That is what I thought it looked like. Ike. Can she change it? lol.
 
Don’t want anyone to think that there are built in escape clauses if you’re not Catholic. My wife and I joke that we stumbled into a true marriage despite our parents and society’s example. 😉
That is a hugely important point to make, especially with Catholics who are choosing to date previously-married people.
 
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