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I can’t find my old post about this so I’m starting a new thread. I’ve been posting over on the CARM site, to see if I could learn more about nonCatholic beliefs since I’m still thinking about converting to that ND church I’ve been visiting. OMG, these people are ridiculous. These people are rude, presumptuous, insulting and they have such a double standard. I now know why the posters are so rude…so are their mods. If I wasn’t so interested in learning more, they’d be fun to toy with.

Anyone else have CARM experiences?
 
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They’d love it, I’m sure. LOL! No matter what you say, they have a rebuttal, regardless of how bizarre their rebuttals actually are. They argue just for the sake of arguing.
 
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They’re absolutely ignorant of everything Catholicism. They think we seek salvation through Mary!
 
I don’t think online forums are a good representation of a denomination or faith. People are anonymously posting and you don’t know who they are… you can’t hear their tone of voice or see their body language etc.

Some people are rude to each other on this forum as well, but this is not a church, it’s an internet forum. Besides that we are all sinners, whether believers or not.

I guess when you go to a Protestant church or a Catholic church, people are coming together to worship and praise God, pray, etc… not to argue and treat each other with disrespect.

If you want to learn about the beliefs of that church you are interested in, I would suggest talking to the pastor there.
 
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Do you still believe in Christ’s True Presence in the Eucharist? I’ve never heard of any ND church believing that.
If you want to know wbat ND folks believe, you really have to ask only the folks at that particular church. I used to be ND, then became Catholic.
The truth is ND churches are by definition unaffiliated or loosely affiliated with others. They hold to some very basic core beliefs, however just about anything else is fair game. A statement of faith or a confession might be hard to come by, and if they do have one it’s unlikely to be very long.
It’s amazing the amount of hate you’ll run into as a Catholic when dealing with some Protestants. Not all of course, but this very weekend I got ganged up on and shouted down at work for trying to defend the faith.
P.S. don’t leave.
 
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Would they like a visit from an unbeliever?
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I have a feeling you’ll be disappointed unless you like to be berated and beaten over the head and then kicked out of groups. If they are this nasty with fellow believers, as misguided as they think Catholics are, I can’t imagine how they’d be with an unbeliever. Then again, maybe some of them would have a soft spot for you?
 
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I don’t think online forums are a good representation of a denomination or faith. People are anonymously posting and you don’t know who they are… you can’t hear their tone of voice or see their body language etc.

I was expecting this forum to be different. I thought all Catholics got along in perfect harmony hehe. But this is not a church, it’s an internet forum.

I guess when you go to a Protestant church or a Catholic church, people are coming together to worship and praise God, pray, etc… not to argue and treat each other with disrespect.

If you want to learn about the beliefs of that church you are interested in, I would suggest talking to the pastor there.
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I’ve talked to their Student Pastor several times and am taking an informational class there next Sunday.
 
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Do you still believe in Christ’s True Presence in the Eucharist? I’ve never heard of any ND church believing that.
If you want to know wbat ND folks believe, you really have to ask only the folks at that particular church. I used to be ND, then became Catholic.
The truth is ND churches are by definition unaffiliated or loosely affiliated with others. They hold to some very basic core beliefs, however just about anything else is fair game. A statement of faith or a confession might be hard to come by, and if they do have one it’s unlikely to be very long.
It’s amazing the amount of hate you’ll run into as a Catholic when dealing with some Protestants. Not all of course, but this very weekend I got ganged up on and shouted down at work for trying to defend the faith.
P.S. don’t leave.
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Yes, I think I still believe in the Eucharist, though sometimes I doubt or have questions, but I think that’s normal. As far as not leaving, I’ll probably know more after the class I’m taking next week.
 
Jehu2077 said:
The truth is ND churches are by definition unaffiliated or loosely affiliated with others. They hold to some very basic core beliefs, however just about anything else is fair game.
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This church is very much Biblically based.
 
Jehu2077 said:
It’s amazing the amount of hate you’ll run into as a Catholic when dealing with some Protestants. Not all of course, but this very weekend I got ganged up on and shouted down at work for trying to defend the faith.
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I am so sorry that you and other Catholics have experienced this persecution and abuse. I am from a Protestant background and am converting to the Catholic faith as soon as I am able to do RCIA and be confirmed into the Church.

I can somewhat relate from when I began evangelizing to my atheist friends years ago (as an Evangelical). I was insulted by them. Since I have been looking into the Catholic faith, I have been treated with disrespect and talked down to by other Protestants, both family and friends. Several months ago, a very close relative told me that I was crazy basically, and that I didn’t know who I was, for wanting to join the Catholic Church.
 
Hope1960 said:
Yes, I think I still believe in the Eucharist, though sometimes I doubt or have questions, but I think that’s normal.
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It is normal. As a convert I suppose I’m still a little drunk on the newness of this belief (new to me).
I can tell you though, with 99% certainty, that an ND church will not believe it, and they will do their best to convince you it’s a man made doctrine conceived of in the Middle Ages to control people.
Consider the Early Church when these arguments come, how the men who knew the apostles wrote that they hungered only for our Lord in the Eucharist as they went to their martyrdom, or how Romans took the Churches belief in the True Presence so seriously that they thought the Christians ate children.
Consider John 6 when these arguments come. Consider that there were those who took our Lord at His word and those who did not, and consider among whom you would wish to be counted.
ND churches have love, faith, and the Spirit moves among them to be sure. But there Eucharist isn’t there.
I pray our Lord leads you through this time of doubt, truly. It’s hard for me see when I risked alienating everyone I love for the Faith. Don’t be hasty.
 
Jehu2077 said:
It is normal. As a convert I suppose I’m still a little drunk on the newness of this belief (new to me).
I can tell you though, with 99% certainty, that an ND church will not believe it, and they will do their best to convince you it’s a man made doctrine conceived of in the Middle Ages to control people.
Consider the Early Church when these arguments come, how the men who knew the apostles wrote that they hungered only for our Lord in the Eucharist as they went to their martyrdom, or how Romans took the Churches belief in the True Presence so seriously that they thought the Christians ate children.
Consider John 6 when these arguments come. Consider that there were those who took our Lord at His word and those who did not, and consider among whom you would wish to be counted.
ND churches have love, faith, and the Spirit moves among them to be sure. But there Eucharist isn’t there.
I pray our Lord leads you through this time of doubt, truly. It’s hard for me see when I risked alienating everyone I love for the Faith. Don’t be hasty.
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Thanks for your reply.
 
Define “biblically based.” Sola Scriptura? You won’t find a church in the world that subscribes fully to that. And coming from a Baptist church basically turned ND after several pastor shakeups, what biblically based means can change.
“Four Protestants in a room, five opinions.”
 
Hope1960 said:
The truth is ND churches are by definition unaffiliated or loosely affiliated with others. They hold to some very basic core beliefs, however just about anything else is fair game.
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According to their own interpretation.
If it were Biblically based, is it the one Christ spoke of when he said “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”?
You must know that’s impossible. Only one Church meets that criteria, friend. One could argue that the EOC also shares in this blessing as they haven’t formally taught heresy as doctrine since the Schism, but the fullness of this only exists in the Catholic Church, your birthright, and the birthright of all baptized Christians. Don’t abandon her for something less than the fullness of faith.
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StephenBales said:
Define “biblically based.” Sola Scriptura? You won’t find a church in the world that subscribes fully to that. And coming from a Baptist church basically turned ND after several pastor shakeups, what biblically based means can change.
“Four Protestants in a room, five opinions.”
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The Student Pastor kept referring to his Bible when I was asking him questions over the phone. He kept saying something like “Let’s see what the Bible says”. The lead Pastor refers a lot to Scripture during his sermons. I guess they’re Sola Scriptura.
 
Jehu2077 said:
According to their own interpretation.
If it were Biblically based, is it the one Christ spoke of when he said “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”?
You must know that’s impossible. Only one Church meets that criteria, friend. One could argue that the EOC also shares in this blessing as they haven’t formally taught heresy as doctrine since the Schism, but the fullness of this only exists in the Catholic Church, your birthright, and the birthright of all baptized Christians. Don’t abandon her for something less than the fullness of faith.
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Well, I did tell my husband today, after church, that I thought the novelty was starting to wear off. I do change my mind a lot about everything and I get bored easily.

During today’s sermon, the pastor did make a comment about “going in little boxes” and confessing. I do wonder if, as time goes on, if they’ll do some Catholic bashing. Even if I did convert, my background is Catholic and would probably be offended by that.
 
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