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Hope1960 said:
This church is very much Biblically based.
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Except its not. Its based on their own personal interpretation of Scripture, which they read in a vacuum divorced from the tradition that formed it in the first place…the Catholic Church.
 
twf said:
Except its not. Its based on their own personal interpretation of Scripture, which they read in a vacuum divorced from the tradition that formed it in the first place…the Catholic Church.
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How am we know for certain that Tradition formed it in the first place? The people on CARM would probably argue that point. Then again, they’re prone to fanaticism. They like to blame stuff like Eucharistic miracles etc. on Satan. They remind me of Dana Carvey’s The Church Lady. Except with less manners.
 
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Welcome and God’s blessings to you. I pray you find love, support, and friendship in the Catholic Church. Welcome home!
 
Catholics have a consistent, organic whole… 2000 years of tradition passed down within the Church. These Protestant groups make it up as they go along… and the most “traditional” of them (conservative Lutherans for example), have 500 years of tradition at best. Anything older than that is directly borrowed from Catholicism. Protestantism is completely internally inconsistent. I was raised Protestant…I left because it just doesn’t make any sense. On the one hand you have the claim that Scripture ALONE is the only authority for Christians. Yet Scripture itself doesn’t say such nor does Scripture provide a “table of contents”. It was the Church, the “pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim 3:15) that determined what books should comprise Scripture,

After reading this thread I went over to the CARM forums. I wasn’t impressed. The Protestant posters there are bigoted, angry, hateful, and IGNORANT to an incredible degree. We have far more respectful and rational Protestants here at CAF.
 
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After reading this thread I went over to the CARM forums. I wasn’t impressed. The Protestant posters there are bigoted, angry, hateful, and IGNORANT to an incredible degree. We have far more respectful and rational Protestants here at CAF.
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I agree. When I said something about them being hateful, I was told that that says a lot about me, or something to that effect.
 
twf said:
We have far more respectful and rational Protestants here at CAF.
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We also have unbiased moderators to keep things in check, rather than stirring the pot. One mod is a former Catholic who is really against Catholics and Cathoicism
 
CARM isn’t representative of any faith other than hate. Most Protestants aren’t what you see there (although some are… just not the majority).
 
Here is your last thread on this…
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Protestant Forum I Checked Out Non-Catholic Religions
To be fair, Jews probably say the same about Catholics.
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@Hope1960
Have you read the links under Roman Catholicism over on the CARM site?
Quite an uninformed rebuttal of the Latin Rite Roman Catholic Church is made in them, and many errors are made on interpreting the CCC.
I have a question for you, given you are considering converting to an ND church.

Is Mary the mother of God? In answering this question you will be required to decide whether Jesus is fully human and fully divine.
Is Jesus a member of the Trinity, is Jesus God? And in being the Word made flesh, is Jesus also the Son of Man?
 
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Hope1960 said:
I do change my mind a lot about everything and I get bored easily.
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I mean no disrespect but to be brutally honest here it seems to me that this is the bases of all of your threads here on CAF.

I think you need to have a long and hard talk with the Lord. You need to decide if you want your faith in Him to be based on Truth or to be based on whatever sounds good to you at this moment. And tomorrow it will be based on whatever tickles your ears then.

Truth is truth it doesn’t change based on what sounds good to us at the moment.
Hope1960 said:
During today’s sermon, the pastor did make a comment about “going in little boxes” and confessing.
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For me personally, anytime a leader (the pastor) needs to tear someone else down in order to build himself up, this is all of the evidence I need to see that this pastor doesn’t have enough basis for his own beliefs.

You see it quite often here on CAF, and I’m sure it is every other post on that CARM website. Ask a straight forward simple question and instead of getting an answer you get a comment about a little box or purgatory or Mary. That is deflection, it is a defense mechanism when you are stuck in a corner and can’t answer the question.

You need to pray about this, ask Jesus, his Blessed mother and all of the saints to help you find truth and learn to ignore your emotions and your desire for that next “spiritual high”.

God Bless
 
Hope, please take this with the great amount of charity that I intend it.

You keep posting threads like this. I have the feeling that you will have no peace until you test these waters.

I did. And all their biblical arguments will make so much sense to you as it did to me. They’re really, really good at it. And they will be warm and inviting. You will never be short of ministries to participate in. Your schedule will be full of social events. Unlike at the RC church, they will learn your name, invite you into the fold, and build relationships with you. You will enjoy the music and especially the fact that everybody is actually singing!

And the grass will seem greener on that other side.

I can only pray that the perception and reality balance out sooner for you than it did for me and you won’t be gone twenty years like me before you come home .
 
Hope1960 said:
Well, I did tell my husband today, after church, that I thought the novelty was starting to wear off. I do change my mind a lot about everything and I get bored easily.
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You’ll waste your life endlessly chasing novelty and the thrill of the new. Endlessly rehashing the same questions on different forums over and over again is missing the point. You’re a smart lady: you know what the arguments are for the Real Presence and the papacy and all the rest are.

If you become a ND, you’ll eventually get bored with it and go looking for the next novelty. This cycle will never stop unless you treat the cause of your anxiety and distractability instead of the symptoms.

If you want my advice, and you probably don’t but I’m going to tell you anyway: stop trying resolve your uncertainty by bouncing back and forth between churches. You know you have this tendency to get obsessive and change your mind every five minutes: stop feeding that tendency. Accept that maybe a proclivity to become bored and distracted easily is the cross God wants you to bear. Maybe you won’t always be excited or entertained and that’s okay.
 
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I really enjoyed the ND churches I was part of. The part I never could get past was how their theology was either very much a reflection of the current pastor’s beliefs or a smorgasbord of recent & older Protestant ideas. There was a sense of having no anchor. Sola scriptura means well, and there is a grain of truth in it, for we should all be reading the scriptures and seeking Gods illumination as we do. But to cut yourself off from the magisterium is to choose to drift theologically, and who can say where that drift will take a church and its people? I love the faith and passion of my ND friends but Sola scriptura is their Achilles heel, and they don’t even realize it. SS elevates one individual’s intellect above the sum total of Christian truth, when in fact, the fullness of Christian truth is far bigger than any one person can wrap their mind around. My only refuge from this randomness in ND church beliefs was the magisterium.
 
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Hope1960 said:
I’m still thinking about converting to that ND church I’ve been visiting.
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Hope, please talk to your priest. I know you struggle with some difficulties but leaving the Church isn’t the answer.
 
Hope1960 said:
I’ve been posting over on the CARM site, to see if I could learn more about nonCatholic beliefs
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That’s probably one of the last places I’d go to learn anything about non-Catholic beliefs.
LeahPaz said:
I don’t think online forums are a good representation of a denomination or faith. People are anonymously posting and you don’t know who they are… you can’t hear their tone of voice or see their body language etc.

Some people are rude to each other on this forum as well, but this is not a church, it’s an internet forum. Besides that we are all sinners, whether believers or not.

I guess when you go to a Protestant church or a Catholic church, people are coming together to worship and praise God, pray, etc… not to argue and treat each other with disrespect.

If you want to learn about the beliefs of that church you are interested in, I would suggest talking to the pastor there.
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I’m in agreement with all of this.

Agreed, and I’ve had some of the same here because I’m not Catholic. It can be the name of the game on internet forums.
 
FiveLinden said:
Would they like a visit from an unbeliever?
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If you only ask questions and NEVER state an opinion, much less a fact then you may be able to stay. Most atheists get banned at some point. Expect to be hounded about Hell and how you are of the devil…a lot!
 
Pattylt said:
If you only ask questions and NEVER state an opinion, much less a fact then you may be able to stay. Most atheists get banned at some point. Expect to be hounded about Hell and how you are of the devil…a lot!
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I’ve read on here, I think, that several people have been banned. I expected to be, as well, but so far I haven’t. I’ve learned so much about Catholicism on CAF and wanted to learn about the other side, which is why I signed up there but they keep telling me stuff about how I’ll never learn anything ona messgar board and that all my questions will be answered if I just pray.
 
From my experience at CARM, when you start asking questions that they really can’t answer…the end may be near! As long as they think they are getting the reactions they want to get, they’ll let you continue posting.

Your mileage may vary…
 
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