Another Catholic Diocese Wants Komen Ties Broken Over Abortion

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Another Catholic Diocese Wants Komen Ties Broken Over Abortion

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
February 21, 2008

Little Rock, AR (LifeNews.com) – Another Catholic Diocese has
asked parishes and schools within its jurisdiction to break their
ties with the Susan G. Komen Race for the Cure because of its
involvement with abortion. Komen has come under intense scrutiny
over the years for making donations to Planned Parenthood, the
nation’s largest abortion business.

Full story at:
lifenews.com/state2928.html
 
Thank you for posting this - it’s getting close to the time where folks will start asking for walk pledges, and this is all good information to remember.

~Liza
 
I think it is important to point out that the Komen grants were specifically ear marked for breast cancer screenings. That is, Komen did not branch into the area of procurred abortion, but stuck with its stated purpose, providing grants for breast cancer screening to health care providers who request them.

Frankly, of the three main complaints in the Archdiocese statement, only one really made much sense to me. The argument that granted money for a non abortion public health purpose somehow makes one a financial supporter of abortion seems pretty thin to me. Sort of like saying that since my Archdiocese has paid out large amounts of money to settle abuse cases, my weekly envelope is financial support of pedophilia.

I also do not understand the insistance that Komen “accept” the ABC hypothesis. Yes, there are some researchers who believe that they have evidence of a link, but science works on preponderance and repeatability. The last time I checked, no major Cancer society had accepted abortion as a known cancer risk. The research is simply divided and not terribly scientifically compelling. Insisting that a not widely accepted or extensively tested theory be accepted as uncontrovertable fact by a group that funds medical research just seems odd to me. It is ultimately a question of science, not of faith.

The last complaint, support of stem cell research, seems valid to me. With a group that funds medical research, it is easy to understand why, since breast cancer treatment which includes stem cell transplantation looks, from a medical results standpoint, promising. As Catholics, I am certainly comfortable with not supporting this. That is why we always specifically ear mark our Komen donations for research and grants which do not involve fetal tissue.

But I am still surprised at the absolute nature of the statement. In the past, Bishop Olmsted, who was quoted in the article, has appeared to be fairly tolerant of ‘compromise’ in this area. For example, he seemed pretty understanding with Regards to President Bush’s compromise in continuing to provide federal funds for stem cell research, and with the President and the GOP members of Congress siding with drug makers with regards to the use of fetal derived material in the creation of vaccines. Granted, Olmsted if from Phoenix, and his archidiocese principally just wanted Komen to stop giving grants to Planned Parenthood for any purpose, but I can’t find a statement from Little Rock lambasting, say, Bush’s horrific stem-cell compromise.
 
It really is quite simple. You give them money to pay for breast screenings, and that frees up other money to be spent on abortions.

Sorry - I’m not buying it. There is absolutely no moral or reasonable excuse for giving one penny to PP. Ever.

~Liza
 
It really is quite simple. You give them money to pay for breast screenings, and that frees up other money to be spent on abortions.

Sorry - I’m not buying it. There is absolutely no moral or reasonable excuse for giving one penny to PP. Ever.

~Liza
Money is fungible – meaning a dollar given for one purpose frees up another dollar for another purpose. My own mother died of breast cancer just short of her 52nd birthday. While she would want me to support cancer research, she would have nothing to do with any organization with links to Planned Parenthood.

By the way, to correct another poster’s mistake, we are the Diocese of Little Rock, not the Archdiocese.
 
It really is quite simple. You give them money to pay for breast screenings, and that frees up other money to be spent on abortions.

Sorry - I’m not buying it. There is absolutely no moral or reasonable excuse for giving one penny to PP. Ever.

~Liza
Yes, I know it is simple. Arguments of convenience usually are. It just does not make any sense to me. Remember, we are talking about a foundation that has spent over $1B on cancer research and outreach. Planned parenthood received funds under something called the Community Outreach Grant program. Basically it was a program to bring breast cancer screening and testing to communities with poor access to such services.

Procurred abortions are closely tied to poverty. That is, the majority of abortions procurred in the US are for woman living at or near the poverty level. These woman are also far more likely to use a clinic than a private doctor. Similarly, breast cancer has much poorer statistical outcomes for the poor. In large part because they are unlikely to receive early detection and treatment. So, for better or worse, Planned Parenthood was in a position to be well qualified for the grants - so several hundred thousand dollars went to breast cancer screening in predominantly poor, underserved, communities.

Part of the grant application was an explanation on why the services would not, otherwise, be provided. So it seems unlikely to me that the grants simply ‘freed up money’. More likely, they primarily did what they were intended for, got breast cancer screenings to women who have dismall access, as a group, to health care.

The reason I call it an argument of convenience is that I believe that the only principles we truly believe in are the ones we stand up for when they cost us something. If a Catholic truly believes that indirect fiduciary connections to abortion is unacceptable, then they should give up a lot more than helping to support the run for a cure. For example, virtually every mutual fund in the US would be ‘out’, as would be donations to either major political party.
 
Money is fungible – meaning a dollar given for one purpose frees up another dollar for another purpose.
But you are making the assumption that the expenditure is mandatory. It is not. I am not saying Catholics should compromise their principles, I just don’t get the perspective.

We are talking about an entity that has raised and spent a billion+ on fighting breast cancer. Several hundred thousand dollars went to what are, for better or worse, the only readily accessible clinics to lots of urban women - expressly for the purpose of providing breast cancer exams.

You are calling it a matter of principle, but is the principle evenly applied? Millions of dollars flowed from forced abortions and human trafficing in Saipan into the GOP, with GOP leadership directly involved in protecting the mechanisms that allowed the abuses to occur - yet you have insisted that is a non issue with regards to your suppor tof the GOP.

I can’t help but wonder if the extent of the statement, particularly the insistance on substituting faith for science in causal factors, is somehow related to your Bishop situation.
 
I can’t help but wonder if the extent of the statement, particularly the insistance on substituting faith for science in causal factors, is somehow related to your Bishop situation.
What a nasty thing to say!
 
I just can’t donate to the Komen Foundation because of this stupidity. There is well founded evidence of the abortion-breast cancer link. The thought of having breast cancer testing done in a place which may very well have contributed to the cancer is ridiculous to me.
 
If Planned Parenthood was earmarking donations to save baby seals from being clubbed to death, I still wouldn’t give them one penny. They are an evil organization and one of the main pillars of the culture of death. For a Catholic to support them in any way, shape, or form causes scandal to the faith.

In Christ,

Ellen
 
What a nasty thing to say!
Why is it nasty? The statement is not particularly nuanced and goes so far as to insist that a charitable organization largely dedicated to medical science bypass normal scientific methodolgy and accept specific research findings from individual researchers.

Compare this to the position from Pheonix, which applauds the overall goal and work of the foundation, but makes a narrow, nuanced argument about Planned Parenthood, not Komen, missusing funds, specifically in the local area.

Bishops, by and large, are always aware of their collegial structure and overall obligations. I am not saying that they are perfect, but berating an organization that has done tremendous public good for not breaking ranks with the rest of the main stream cancer research community and accepting what is currently minority opinion research as undisptuted fact is the sort of long term, potentially backfiring, overstep that they tend to avoid.

But I guess we are creatures of habit. I’ve noted that I find one of the cricisms valid, but it is an area in which many Catholics (including you, per your own statements) compromise. I’ve also noted that we are talking about a relatively small amount of money, specifically ear marked to get breast cancer screening to women who otherwise would not have access to it. This does not, by itself, invalidate the fiduciary argument, but I’d find the argument more credible if it were more generally applied. I probably have a larger financial connection to abortion, stem cell research, and euthanasia in my 401K than this one, and I strive to make pro-life, pro-social justice investments. And, as noted, you agressively support groups with larger financial entanglements than this.

But, as usual, your response is centered on personal indignation and rpp’s is limited exclusively to indirect back biting (somehow I think he is never going to forgive me for pointing out that he was berating me for quoting, near verbatim, the Church document he was using to prove how ‘wrong’ I was)…

Again, I’m not saying Catholics should not follow their concience or the guidance of their bishop. I’m just saying that we should keep perspective. We are talking about an organization that has done tremendous good which invested a small amount of money in getting breast cancer exams to women who would likely not have access otherwise. It was dispensed per a specific fixed grant application criteria, and all funds were ear marked.

If this is a major dilmena, then a lot of the rock throwers might want to make sure they are not in glass homes. Likewise, they might want to ask themselves if they really should be in the business of demanding only specific research results be accepted in medical science.
 
If Planned Parenthood was earmarking donations to save baby seals from being clubbed to death, I still wouldn’t give them one penny. They are an evil organization and one of the main pillars of the culture of death. For a Catholic to support them in any way, shape, or form causes scandal to the faith.

In Christ,

Ellen
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Well said. I too, sadly, have had to withdraw my support from the organization.

There are other problematic aspects to the Komen association that I find quite troubling. For example they are quite misandrist. Men can contract breast cancer as well (yes this is true!). Yet the Walk for Life and other fund-raisers do not let men participate as breast cancer survivors. This is quite unfair.
 
I just can’t donate to the Komen Foundation because of this stupidity. There is well founded evidence of the abortion-breast cancer link. The thought of having breast cancer testing done in a place which may very well have contributed to the cancer is ridiculous to me.
So I take it you reject giving to the Amercan Cancer Society as well (www.cancer.org)??) As far as I know, no cancer foundation or society in the world yet accepts an abortion/cancer link as medical fact. Baby killers, all of them? Or is it just that the are insisting on solid science and causal research first?
 
Yet another good thread derailed by the intellectually dishonest use of straw-man and ad hominem attacks.

I am unsubscribing from this poisoned thread.
 
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There are other problematic aspects to the Komen association that I find quite troubling. For example they are quite misandrist. Men can contract breast cancer as well (yes this is true!). Yet the Walk for Life and other fund-raisers do not let men participate as breast cancer survivors. This is quite unfair.
But it is not 100% true and the blame is misassigned. Men are excluded from just under half the events nation wide, but this is not because of any policy from the Komen association. That is up to each local race/event organizer.

I think that it would be a non-issue accept for the intense emotions surrounding cancer survival. After all, men play softball, but I don’t here anyone screaming that they can’t try out for my daughter’s division one team or participate in Team USA…
 
Because it was a snide remark that implied that this could only have been done in the absense of a bishop.
That was my point. The bishops and the USCCB are generally very careful about overstepping and it is hard to imagine a Bishop asserting that what is currently a marginal medical theory be accepted as indisputable fact. But there is nothing snide about it. Bishops have the support of the college and often a conference, your diocese is operating without that.

That’s not to say that a bishop would not have approved such a step, look at Phoenix. I just suspect that it would have been more precise and nuanced and taking fewer risks. The Church knows that it hurts its authority and credibility when it puts its weight behind things which later prove to be untrue (which may very well be the case with ABC).
 
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