S
slyboots
Guest
Ms Obama did wear a mantilla and looked exceptionally nice.
- Status
Ms Obama did wear a mantilla and looked exceptionally nice.
A
A_R_Smith
Guest
I have only worn a mantilla once…it was at a high mass, the first I have ever attended in my entire life, simply due to the fact that the only church which offers one is quite far from my home and I just happened to have been invited to attend by a good friend of mine who drove me there. I’ve always been a Latin geek, so naturally, every time the Latin chanting started up, I joined in…unfortunatly, it was only half-way through the Mass that I realised no one else had done this. 
As someone who is not auccustomed to wearing headscarves and hasn’t worn a dress to mass since I was 17 (though my attire is ALWAYS modest!) it took a bit of gritting my teeth to remind myself that High Mass = dress and headscarf. Leave vest, dress pants and button down white shirt at home.
I’m thankful that while my parish uses the Novus Ordo (read: lack of awesome old-rite historical-ness makes Amanda very sad) form of the mass, the Gregorian chant and the Pater Noster, Gloria, Benedictus and Agnus Dei are chanted.
When I did attend the High Mass, my inner history nerd was rejoicing and eager to visit again, though I would like to ask if anyone here would be willing to help me with some matters I seem to have trouble dealing with in regards to social interactions with my brethren at that parish…I think I might have scared some of them with my black dress, black mantillia and lack of familiarity in regards to singing all of the portions sung by the chior. Did I make a faux pas? hides in shame
As someone who is not auccustomed to wearing headscarves and hasn’t worn a dress to mass since I was 17 (though my attire is ALWAYS modest!) it took a bit of gritting my teeth to remind myself that High Mass = dress and headscarf. Leave vest, dress pants and button down white shirt at home.
I’m thankful that while my parish uses the Novus Ordo (read: lack of awesome old-rite historical-ness makes Amanda very sad) form of the mass, the Gregorian chant and the Pater Noster, Gloria, Benedictus and Agnus Dei are chanted.When I did attend the High Mass, my inner history nerd was rejoicing and eager to visit again, though I would like to ask if anyone here would be willing to help me with some matters I seem to have trouble dealing with in regards to social interactions with my brethren at that parish…I think I might have scared some of them with my black dress, black mantillia and lack of familiarity in regards to singing all of the portions sung by the chior. Did I make a faux pas? hides in shame
D
daeve
Guest
My parish has Latin Mass every week. I generally sing in the choir at a different church, but occasionally go to that Mass. I’m an old lady and grew up with the Latin Mass, every day in fact, including most Saturdays because I sang at weddings and funerals. Even when I was in grade school, women wore nice pants to church. Not all of them of course, and not women the age I am now, but my mother did and always looked modest, proper and stylish. The women in my parish now dress nicely, but not always in skirts. Some wear headcoverings and others don’t. We don’t have a communion rail, so they reserve the first pew…it’s very awkward to be climbing through the pews, and I’m slightly infirm so I don’t always receive the Eucharist when I’m at that Mass. I can’t kneel because of arthritis, but I’m not as old as all that, so…I guess humility isn’t my strong suit. Actually, I prefer to be invisible and not the woman who is holding up the line.I have only worn a mantilla once…it was at a high mass, the first I have ever attended in my entire life, simply due to the fact that the only church which offers one is quite far from my home and I just happened to have been invited to attend by a good friend of mine who drove me there. I’ve always been a Latin geek, so naturally, every time the Latin chanting started up, I joined in…unfortunatly, it was only half-way through the Mass that I realised no one else had done this.
As someone who is not auccustomed to wearing headscarves and hasn’t worn a dress to mass since I was 17 (though my attire is ALWAYS modest!) it took a bit of gritting my teeth to remind myself that High Mass = dress and headscarf. Leave vest, dress pants and button down white shirt at home.
When I did attend the High Mass, my inner history nerd was rejoicing and eager to visit again, though I would like to ask if anyone here would be willing to help me with some matters I seem to have trouble dealing with in regards to social interactions with my brethren at that parish…I think I might have scared some of them with my black dress, black mantillia and lack of familiarity in regards to singing all of the portions sung by the chior. Did I make a faux pas? hides in shame
As for the singing, I sing everything. I don’t remember just listening back in the 50s and 60s. I know I was singing then, and I remember everything pretty well. I sat behind someone else who sang the first time I went, and decided that was an omen. Sing away if you want.
I always preferred a hat to a chapel veil or mantilla. I don’t even like my hair on my face or neck, and the mantilla drove me nuts.
P
PrairieMom
Guest
Oooo… good idea. Maybe I might wait until winter.
And yes, this has been a very nice discussion.
C
Claire_from_DE
Guest
I remember wearing a mantilla in the '60’s (before that it was a hat). For a while it became the fashion to wear it with the point on the top of the head and the other two ends not hanging in back but kind of resting on the shoulders. It didn’t have a tendency to slide off or from side to side worn that way. Some people anchored it on top with a bobby pin. I don’t remember how long that fashion lasted.
Someone asked about the men. Well, most men back then wore hats or caps. That fashion changed with John Kennedy I think. He never wore a hat and after that they seemed to go out of style. So the men would remove their hats in respect when the entered a church the same as when they entered a house or would tip their hats to a lady (which is what we called women). Men would tip their hats when they passed a church too. My parish church had thick stone walls so the window sills were quite deep. The men who had nice dress hats would put them on the window sill closest to their pew. They didn’t mind putting their caps in the pews but they sure didn’t want to risk sitting on their good hats. I used to wonder why Jewish men covered their heads to pray and Catholic men did the opposite. Today it would still be considered disrespectful to wear a hat in church. So if a man wants to get the traditional mass experience he should wear a hat that day so he can remove it when he enters the church.:tiphat
just kidding)
Someone asked about the men. Well, most men back then wore hats or caps. That fashion changed with John Kennedy I think. He never wore a hat and after that they seemed to go out of style. So the men would remove their hats in respect when the entered a church the same as when they entered a house or would tip their hats to a lady (which is what we called women). Men would tip their hats when they passed a church too. My parish church had thick stone walls so the window sills were quite deep. The men who had nice dress hats would put them on the window sill closest to their pew. They didn’t mind putting their caps in the pews but they sure didn’t want to risk sitting on their good hats. I used to wonder why Jewish men covered their heads to pray and Catholic men did the opposite. Today it would still be considered disrespectful to wear a hat in church. So if a man wants to get the traditional mass experience he should wear a hat that day so he can remove it when he enters the church.:tiphat
just kidding)
J
Jacafamala
Guest
I remember wearing a mantilla in the '60’s (before that it was a hat). For a while it became the fashion to wear it with the point on the top of the head and the other two ends not hanging in back but kind of resting on the shoulders. It didn’t have a tendency to slide off or from side to side worn that way. Some people anchored it on top with a bobby pin. I don’t remember how long that fashion lasted.
Someone asked about the men. Well, most men back then wore hats or caps. That fashion changed with John Kennedy I think. He never wore a hat and after that they seemed to go out of style. So the men would remove their hats in respect when the entered a church the same as when they entered a house or would tip their hats to a lady (which is what we called women). Men would tip their hats when they passed a church too. My parish church had thick stone walls so the window sills were quite deep. ** The men who had nice dress hats would put them on the window sill closest to their pew. They didn’t mind putting their caps in the pews but they sure didn’t want to risk sitting on their good hats. ** I used to wonder why Jewish men covered their heads to pray and Catholic men did the opposite. Today it would still be considered disrespectful to wear a hat in church. So if a man wants to get the traditional mass experience he should wear a hat that day so he can remove it when he enters the church.:tiphat
C
cknick
Guest
I believe it is not what is on your head, what is important is what is in your heart. **No amount of head covering **will cover the fact that you believe and stand for what is contrary to faith in God, and God’s plan for our salvation. Nice is not about a mantilla. Although the mantilla was more a sign of “when in Rome…” what was important, was to establish bridges in understanding and action, to support life. A promise to reduce the number of abortions in the US was not only out of Obama’s control, but a weak effort on building bridges. The mantilla covered nothing, ladies! Don’t be fooled by wolves in sheep’s clothing!
S
slyboots
Guest
I don’t believe anyone has implied that Ms Obama is a better christian for having worn a mantilla. Mostly what has been talked about is the fact that vatican protocol was observed. And we appreciated that. Even if she is the wife of a pro-abortion president who appears to be bent on bankrupting the US and turning us into a socialist/totalitarian psuedo-European Godless nation.
Aside from that I thought she looked nice.
Aside from that I thought she looked nice.
M
MissMichal
Guest
Well, yes, if you are not humble in your heart, then no piece of fabric is going to make you that way, but Mrs. Obama looked very pretty in her mantilla, and kudos to her for observing the established standard. By doing so she showed some respect for the Pope even if her husband has not yet been convinced of a very important teaching. I will say a special prayer for her and our president.
L
Lisa44
Guest
Hi AdriannaJean,
I hear you. It a bit awkward when no one else is doing it. I’m the only one at our parish.
Personally, I asked the virgin Mary for help. You know, she always has her head covered and no one complains that her head is covered. Its so strange that covering has even become an issue for Catholic women.
.
R
RedSoxWife
Guest
That was one of my worries too, but after about a year of thinking about it I decided to do it (I’m the only one in our parish) and people have actually been really nice about it. It actually makes a lot of the older people smile. I’m sure some people think I’m crazy, especially women in the generation right before mine, but it was something I felt called to do and I felt much better after I followed my conscience and started doing it. Good luck with whatever you decide! I know it can be hard to be the only one doing something!
E
ElizabethPH
Guest
To answer your question about when to put it on. I always have it on before I enter the church. But I’ve noticed one lady that puts it on when she gets in the pew; and as soon as Mass is over she removes it. I thought that a little strange and wonder why she does it that way. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen anyone do that. I always make sure I am covered upon entering the church; that’s how I was taught growing up and that’s how everyone did it pre VII anyway.
S
sparkielee
Guest
The three of you made a really good point that what is in your heart matters more than how you dress for church or what you wear on your head-or even if you wear anything on your head in church. In fact you can pray that my heart’s in the right place and that I’m not a “wolf in sheep’s clothing.”
No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.
Edmund Burke,
I think we should pray for this whole nation-whether or not our President supports abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and “gay marriage.” This is a much bigger issue than whether his wife wears a veil when visiting the Pope. I’m glad she did put on the veil and it looked nice on her. I almost didn’t recognize her in the photo of her, the President, and the Pope.
M
MissMichal
Guest
One more thought here: You’re probably not the only woman in that parish who has ever considered headcovering, and by showing up in one, you may encourage someone who has been too nervous to try it. You also may inspire questions and investigation in someone who has never thought about it before.
S
sparkielee
Guest
I agree. The first time I tried headcoverings I was attending Mass in English and used a scarf that looked nothing like a mantilla as well as a mantilla. This was a run-of-the mill silky looking scarf in some kind of print. I greeted people before Mass and would mention my bad hair days as an excuse for the scarf as well as telling them about the real reason behind the scarf. I am prone to bad hair days and took the time to tie the scarf in such a way that you could see little or no hair on my head.
-sparkie:thumbsup:
A
adstrinity
Guest
I think, if you want, you should wear one anyway. You may inspire others to do so or at least make women see how pius you are. When I went to OF Daily Mass, there were a few women who would wear them and I would think, 'Wow, they really love God and are aspiring to do His Will."
To the OP, I started wearing a Spanish Mantilla around 9 or 10 months ago. I decided on it because it’s about as long as my hair. It is ivory (my hair is chestnut) because I’m not sinless nor married so that rules out white, I’m not in mourning and sometimes I wear brown so that rules out black. I figure, ~I~ figure, it’s like, I’m aspiring to be holy, but, can’t quite get there as far as colour and it doesn’t match anything I own, so, it’s just as uncomplimentary no matter what I wear (which is fine, I didn’t buy it for a fashion statement much).
I put it in when I’m in my car usually. I don’t take it off until I get back out to my car.
A
A_R_Smith
Guest
I own a black one…matches my gothic attire.
M
Mater
Guest
OK, this is making me nuts. What “Vatican Protocol”? Can you show me that in writing, because I’ve been to several papal Masses and VERY FEW women wear head covering. Mrs. Obama wore the veil simply because she thought she was supposed to,i.e. it was the fashion, everybody else does it, etc. You all commenting on how “nice” she looked just gives me the impression that that is why you think head covering should be worn.I don’t believe anyone has implied that Ms Obama is a better christian for having worn a mantilla. Mostly what has been talked about is the fact that vatican protocol was observed. And we appreciated that. Even if she is the wife of a pro-abortion president who appears to be bent on bankrupting the US and turning us into a socialist/totalitarian psuedo-European Godless nation.
Aside from that I thought she looked nice.
R
RedSoxWife
Guest
As far as I know it’s required for a woman to have her head covered when having an audience with the Pope. Isn’t that why there was some big feminist who made a huge deal about having a comb in her hair so the veil didn’t actually touch her head?
O
Ohiomom
Guest
I cover weather I am at the TLM mass we attend on Sunday’s or the NO I have to attend when I go to daily mass. I have a couple of the shoulder length mantillas a couple of chamel caps. There are some women who wear hats at the daily masses, but I am generally the only one I see with a lace cover. I just wear it and go about my business, I don’t feel subconscious at all. I have a couple of small covers for my DD, because the was fascinated with mine and wanted her “own one”, but it usually comes off about 2 minutes in. I figure in the next year or two she will probably decide to wear it more often like mommy.
- Status