Another Lie from Planned Parenthood

[lynx]

RIDICULOUS.
CHURCH-FOUNDED HOSPITALS HAVE BEEN SERVING THE POOR
AND OFTEN SWALLOWING THE ENTIRE COST FOR GENERATIONS.

Do you pretend that you don’t know that?

I’m talking about a church group giving out mammogram vouchers. I’ve never seen it. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, i’m saying I don’t see it.

So you’re from a family that is OK with abortion-services, available to all?

Interesting.

I’m from a family that is OK with mammograms which is what we were talking about.

If you want to blast PP for abortions you can, no need to spread lies about the mammograms.

 

[kimmielittle]

I don’t know. I went through the trouble of debunking this biased article, so how about you challenge the content in mine? It’s easy to dismiss something you find biased and against your position, but if you want to take a stand that it’s bunk then show me where the article fails.

I finally got your link to work
So 1 day in Arizona in the year 2008 is your evidence? For PP providing mammograms now?

Here’s what you have to disprove.

"A series of new undercover phone calls reveals that contrary to the claims of Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards and other supporters of the nation’s largest abortion chain, the organization does not provide mammograms for women.

"In the tapes, a Live Action actor calls 30 Planned Parenthood clinics in 27 different states, inquiring about mammograms at Planned Parenthood. Every Planned Parenthood, without exception, tells her she will have to go elsewhere for a mammogram, and many clinics admit that no Planned Parenthood clinics provide this breast cancer screening procedure. “We don’t provide those services whatsoever,” admits a staffer at Planned Parenthood of Arizona. Planned Parenthood’s Comprehensive Health Center clinic in Overland Park, KS explains to the caller, “We actually don’t have a, um, mammogram machine, at our clinics.”

The ONLY way you can “debunk” it - is to first listen to the tapes - listen to the question - and prove the PP employees were lying in their answer. Are you saying 30 PP employees, in 27 different states lied?

So PP is just as good as any Church group, pro-life group, charity etc? I have never heard of a church or pro-life movement giving mammogram vouchers. Source?

Do a Google with these words: “Catholic Church gives mammogram vouchers”
333,000 results

“Baptist Church gives mammogram vouchers”
126,000 results

Lutheran Church gives mammogram vouchers
77,400 results

Latter Day Saints gives mammogram vouchers
133,000 results

Episcopal Church gives mammogram vouchers
70,600 results

JW Church gives mammogram vouchers
44,100 results

You can even get them from NFL linebackers.

cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/24/eveningnews/main20046988.shtml
4,500 a year,

Not counting Catholic Charities
OR the Many Catholic Hospitals

So here’s what it’s really all about, abortions. You can’t stand that PP does abortions so you’re looking at any avenue to attack them, even ones that are lies. If you want to attack PP on abortions then do it. No need to make up this PP doesn’t provide a mammogram nonsense.

Well seeing how the National Cancer Institute NCI ]says this:

In April 2009, Brinton co-authored a research paper published in the prestigious journal Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers and Prevention, which concluded that the risk of a particularly deadly form of breast cancer that attacks women under 40 raises 40 percent if a woman has had an abortion.

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=121749

And PP provides some 400,000 abortions a year in the USA - They should be providing 10 year - life… follow-up… mammograms free… to about 40% of those 400,000 USA women - every year…After all Abortion raises the risks by 40%.

If you can’t convince me… How do you expect to convince grownups?

 

[catharina]

I finally got your link to work
So 1 day in Arizona in the year 2008 is your evidence? For PP providing mammograms now?

Here’s what you have to disprove.

The ONLY way you can “debunk” it - is to first listen to the tapes - listen to the question - and prove the PP employees were lying in their answer. Are you saying 30 PP employees, in 27 different states lied?

Do a Google with these words: “Catholic Church gives mammogram vouchers”
333,000 results

“Baptist Church gives mammogram vouchers”
126,000 results

Lutheran Church gives mammogram vouchers
77,400 results

Latter Day Saints gives mammogram vouchers
133,000 results

Episcopal Church gives mammogram vouchers
70,600 results

JW Church gives mammogram vouchers
44,100 results

You can even get them from NFL linebackers.

cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/24/eveningnews/main20046988.shtml
4,500 a year,

Not counting Catholic Charities
OR the Many Catholic Hospitals

Well seeing how the National Cancer Institute NCI ]says this:

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=121749

And PP provides some 400,000 abortions a year in the USA - They should be providing 10 year - life… follow-up… mammograms free… to about 40% of those 400,000 USA women - every year…After all Abortion raises the risks by 40%.

If you can’t convince me… How do you expect to convince grownups?

Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.
also
There are none so blind as those who will NOT see.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

We ALL know of Mrs Clinton’s fond support of Planned Parenthood.

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Hillary Clinton was honored to receive Planned Parenthood’s coveted Margaret Sanger Award here in Houston 2 years ago.

You see, they are PROUD of their origin and see no reason to stop honoring that racist eugenicist Satanic being. And of course Hillary was so happy and pleased to receive that award.

She admires Margaret Sanger so much. Woman of valor indeed. Oh yes, Hillary, we can learn a lot of lessons from her life. Like that some people are just evil and sick and hideous, and not someone to admire.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Av6D6Cs8SY

 

[lynx]

Hillary Clinton was honored to receive Planned Parenthood’s coveted Margaret Sanger Award here in Houston 2 years ago.

You see, they are PROUD of their origin and see no reason to stop honoring that racist eugenicist Satanic being. And of course Hillary was so happy and pleased to receive that award.

She admires Margaret Sanger so much. Woman of valor indeed. Oh yes, Hillary, we can learn a lot of lessons from her life. Like that some people are just evil and sick and hideous, and not someone to admire.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Av6D6Cs8SY

PP’s response to claims about Margaret Sanger.

plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/OppositionClaimsAboutMargaretSanger.pdf

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I don’t care what PP says about their founder! Margaret Sanger is totally transparent through her OWN writings. Of course they would defend her. The mission of wiping out black Americans grinds on. An organization CANNOT be founded on such evil and then change along the way. Do you understand that HITLER admired this woman???

Will you watch a video about Sanger and her birth control movement? All of it is well researched and well documented, to the point where your head will spin. And it will, if you really care about human life, change your mind about PP.

It comes in 13 parts, the entire DVD is about 3 hours long. You can take your time and really pay attention. This DVD is making its way through the black churches and once the black community truly wakes up and understands the evil of Planned Parenthood, there is going to literally be hell to pay.

Maafa 21

 

[meltzerboy]

Hillary Clinton was honored to receive Planned Parenthood’s coveted Margaret Sanger Award here in Houston 2 years ago.

You see, they are PROUD of their origin and see no reason to stop honoring that racist eugenicist Satanic being. And of course Hillary was so happy and pleased to receive that award.

She admires Margaret Sanger so much. Woman of valor indeed. Oh yes, Hillary, we can learn a lot of lessons from her life. Like that some people are just evil and sick and hideous, and not someone to admire.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Av6D6Cs8SY

I take it you’re not a fan of Margaret Sanger or Hillary Clinton. Well, at least you’re not bitter!

 

[lynx]

I don’t care what PP says about their founder! Margaret Sanger is totally transparent through her OWN writings. Of course they would defend her. The mission of wiping out black Americans grinds on. An organization CANNOT be founded on such evil and then change along the way. ** Do you understand that HITLER admired this woman?**??

Godwin, and source?

Will you watch a video about Sanger and her birth control movement? All of it is well researched and well documented, to the point where your head will spin. And it will, if you really care about human life, change your mind about PP.

It comes in 13 parts, the entire DVD is about 3 hours long. You can take your time and really pay attention. This DVD is making its way through the black churches and once the black community truly wakes up and understands the evil of Planned Parenthood, there is going to literally be hell to pay.

Maafa 21

So let me get this straight, Anti-Margaret Sanger information the truth, Pro-Margaret Sanger information lies. Each of these sources has their own bias, but with PP I can see the sources they cite.

 

[Taoist]

Planned Parenthood portrays itself as a provider of women’s health services,** including mammograms.**

I couldn’t find on Planned Parenthood’s site any information about providing mammograms, where did you get the information they do? This is important because the way I see it you are accusing PP of not providing a service they don’t provide.

I’ve also found an article on the story.

 

[godisrealyes]

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[JFarrish]

I couldn’t find on Planned Parenthood’s site any information about providing mammograms, where did you get the information they do? This is important because the way I see it you are accusing PP of not providing a service they don’t provide.

I’ve also found an article on the story.

I found this troubling as well. I watched the video and read the transcripts and I can find no claim of mammograms to debunk. There is a reference to cancer screenings and breast exams, both of which are provided.

This does certainly seem to be a case of someone ‘debunking’ a claim that was never made.

As Rome so eloquently warned in its 2002 Doctrinal Note on Participation in Political Life, we cannot elevate specific teachings at the expense of others. To do so is a detriment to the faith.

The 8th Commandment still applies, and our Catholic understanding of it’s implications are broad (ex. CCC 2478).

Abortion is intrinsically evil, but planned parenthood does provide heath services, particularly to poor women. A committment to our teachings on abortion cannot be at the expense of our obligation to another, pro life issue.

I’m especially troubled by the broad demonization and guilt by association with individuals like Sanger. If people want to have that conversation, then be prepared to be morally honest in doing so. Sanger’s most devoted fellow travellers in the American Eugenics movement were Republican members of congress and conservatives on the US Supreme Court. Theodore Roosevelt was a vocal supporter. Are we going to villify every GOP voter as an obvious supporter of eugenics? How about Oklahoma, a state that fought to continue forced sterilizations?

It is a shamefull period in US history, which was still with us until the 1970s! But we should look in our own closets before using it for guilt by association with others.

 

[RobbyS]

So you only decided to bold the PP information you wanted others to see, and not the entirety of what they’re doing. It’s just sad that you need to go out of your way to distort what PP is doing. Let help you,

Now it’s fair and balanced. Face facts, some PP centers will service you a mammogram.

More fair and balanced is the recognition that the primary mission of Planned Parenthood is population control. But population control in accordance to the Malthusian notion that overpopulation is the cause of poverty in an industrial society. Population control in the service of eugenics, playing on the fears of the upper classes that they are about to be swamped by the teeming masses. Population control inspired by racism, which has persuaded the black Church that it is excessive numbers of children that have left their community in want. And if contraception fails, the Endloesung of abortion. Which has led Planned Parenthood to become --by necessity–the major ,provider of abortions. In the end, Planned Parenthood is engaged in a war against nature.

 

[RobbyS]

I found this troubling as well. I watched the video and read the transcripts and I can find no claim of mammograms to debunk. There is a reference to cancer screenings and breast exams, both of which are provided.

This does certainly seem to be a case of someone ‘debunking’ a claim that was never made.

As Rome so eloquently warned in its 2002 Doctrinal Note on Participation in Political Life, we cannot elevate specific teachings at the expense of others. To do so is a detriment to the faith.

The 8th Commandment still applies, and our Catholic understanding of it’s implications are broad (ex. CCC 2478).

Abortion is intrinsically evil, but planned parenthood does provide heath services, particularly to poor women. A committment to our teachings on abortion cannot be at the expense of our obligation to another, pro life issue.

I’m especially troubled by the broad demonization and guilt by association with individuals like Sanger. If people want to have that conversation, then be prepared to be morally honest in doing so. Sanger’s most devoted fellow travellers in the American Eugenics movement were Republican members of congress and conservatives on the US Supreme Court. Theodore Roosevelt was a vocal supporter. Are we going to villify every GOP voter as an obvious supporter of eugenics? How about Oklahoma, a state that fought to continue forced sterilizations?

It is a shamefull period in US history, which was still with us until the 1970s! But we should look in our own closets before using it for guilt by association with others.

Yes, it is ironical that the Republican Party, which was the “prochoice” Party under Jerry Ford, is now the "prolife"Party today. But this is the way the political ball bounces. Ford is long in his grave along with TR and other prominent Americans–such as Justice Holmes and the Rockefellers–who supported eugenics. But that was then and this is now. Right now The Republicans oppose, however ineffectually, the malthusianism of Planned Parenthood. It is the Democratics who now support the practice of reducing the numbers of brown people and it is black Democratics who scream “racism” even as abortion decimates the black community in the United States. ** Whatever woman’s services, apart from abortions, Planned Parenthood provides could be done just by their donating funds to local hospitals and clinics.**

 

[JFarrish]

** Whatever woman’s services, apart from abortions, Planned Parenthood provides could be done just by their donating funds to local hospitals and clinics.**

The point is, in many poor urban settings there are no viable ‘local hospitals and clinics’. Our healthcare system seriously underserves significant portions of the population. The US Bishops have spoken repeatedly about this, as have multiple popes in visiting us.

Again, this is the problem with forgetting to act, first and always, in the context of Christ.

People demonizing planned parenthood are generally not trying to deny cancer screening to poor women, but it is not moral to ignore or trivialize that very real side effect.

Similarly, people who support contraception and family planning services for the poor aren’t generally trying to serve Satan or promote Malthus, they think that they are helping poor women get basic healthcare and protect themselves from falling deeper into poverty (75% of the women obtaining abortions cite financial concerns as a primary factor in their decision. Roughly half of them already have other children to feed).

The foundation of Catholicism is simple. Love God with all your heart and Love your neighbor as yourself. When we demonize people and trivialize their own social concerns we are no longer in that context. As Jesus explains in the gospels, His two commandments are the FOUNDATION of the moral law. Anything not built on that is a house of cards.

Remember, to Jesus’ audience ‘Pharisee’ meant ‘ultra devout keeper of the faith, and a war hero to boot’. Samaritan meant ‘hated pagan terrorist’ and publican (or tax collector) meant ‘child rapist’.

So, if you want to address societal moral disorders, like planned parenthood, start by loving them as instructed by Jesus. To love them you have to first accept them as who they are, fellow children of God, infinitely loved by their creator, flawed (we all are) and, although misguided, attempting to do good. Charicatures, and human drawn lines of ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are the opposite of Good News.

 

[kimmielittle]

The point is, in many poor urban settings there are no viable ‘local hospitals and clinics’. Our healthcare system seriously underserves significant portions of the population.

County health offices are present.

 

[catharina]

Remember, to Jesus’ audience ‘Pharisee’ meant ‘ultra devout keeper of the faith, and a war hero to boot’. Samaritan meant ‘hated pagan terrorist’ and publican (or tax collector) meant ‘child rapist’.

Support the above statement.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

So, if you want to address societal moral disorders, like planned parenthood, start by loving them as instructed by Jesus. To love them you have to first accept them as who they are, fellow children of God, infinitely loved by their creator, flawed (we all are) and, although misguided, attempting to do good. Charicatures, and human drawn lines of ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are the opposite of Good News.

And this we do. We stand outside Planned Parenthood clinics and pray for the workers inside those clinics as well as the babies who will be killed that day and the mothers whose lives will be ruined by their choice. It is how we won over Abby Johnson, the director of a successful PP clinic in Bryan Texas.

She believed that she was helping women, and to the end, was trying to cut down on abortions performed by giving out contraception, but was told by her superiors to INCREASE abortions, to help the “bottom line.” This troubled her greatly but her denial of the reality was so strong that it took the actual sight of an abortion on ultrasound to change her heart and mind.

Human-drawn lines of good and evil you say? I remember that Jesus drew the lines of good and evil rather strongly. There is good, and there is evil, both exist apart from our interpretation. There are people doing evil who believe the opposite, and there are also people who know they are doing evil and they either enjoy it or they don’t care that it’s evil.

Love and accept evil such as George Tiller, who was proud of the number of babies that he killed in his career? Never. He was a child of God until the moment of his unrepentant death, and at any moment he could have chosen to get right with his Lord and Savior, and I would have been celebrating right alongside most people here. Bernard Nathanson converted and repented, Abby Johnson converted, Norma McCorvey converted. We are not called to accept unrepentance, we can pray for the conversion of hearts but if we accept sin, we sin ourselves.

Please think more clearly about what you are saying. We can love the sinner and still hate the sin, and it is what Jesus calls us to do. There are many people who work in the killing rooms counting baby parts every day, and unless they walk out of that clinic and pray to God for forgiveness, I am not going to accept their actions or love what they do. They are going to hell unless they repent and I do not love that one of my sisters or brothers is headed for Hell.

 

[catharina]

The mammogram LIE?
I found the reference easily.

Go to link.
Watch video. Two minutes or so.

See Cecile Richards, PRES of PP,
make false claim re mammograms.

Then stuff your denial -
or something like that.

breitbart.tv/mammosham-planned-parenthood-ceos-false-mammogram-claim-exposed/

 

[catharina]

i found this troubling as well. **I watched the video and read the transcripts and i can find no claim of mammograms to debunk. There is a reference to cancer screenings and breast exams, both of which are provided.

This does certainly seem to be a case of someone ‘debunking’ a claim that was never made.**

As rome so eloquently warned in its 2002 doctrinal note on participation in political life, we cannot elevate specific teachings at the expense of others. To do so is a detriment to the faith.

The 8th commandment still applies, and our catholic understanding of it’s implications are broad (ex. Ccc 2478).

Abortion is intrinsically evil, but planned parenthood does provide heath services, particularly to poor women. A committment to our teachings on abortion cannot be at the expense of our obligation to another, pro life issue.

I’m especially troubled by the broad demonization and guilt by association with individuals like sanger. If people want to have that conversation, then be prepared to be morally honest in doing so. Sanger’s most devoted fellow travellers in the american eugenics movement were republican members of congress and conservatives on the us supreme court. Theodore roosevelt was a vocal supporter. Are we going to villify every gop voter as an obvious supporter of eugenics? How about oklahoma, a state that fought to continue forced sterilizations?

It is a shamefull period in us history, which was still with us until the 1970s! But we should look in our own closets before using it for guilt by association with others.

Do come back to the thread
and watch the video linked above.

IOW, see Post #37.

 

[Taoist]

The mammogram LIE?
I found the reference easily.

Go to link.
Watch video. Two minutes or so.

See Cecile Richards, PRES of PP,
make false claim re mammograms.

Then stuff your denial -
or something like that.

breitbart.tv/mammosham-planned-parenthood-ceos-false-mammogram-claim-exposed/

I watched the video of the severely cut clip of the President of PP mentioning mammograms, but the clip doesn’t show if she was specifically speaking about Planned Parenthood or health care in general. We need more context before a decision can be made.