Another Mary post: how do you know?

[Semper_Fi_1]

NonDenom:

Mary’s Assumption into Heaven

Gen. 5:24, Heb. 11:5 - Enoch was bodily assumed into heaven without dying.

You are making an assumption on what God would do.

2 Kings 2:11-12; 1 Mac 2:58 - Elijah was assumed into heaven in fiery chariot.

Assumption #2

Psalm 132:8 - Arise, O Lord, and go to thy resting place, thou and the Ark (Mary) of thy might.

Assumption #3

2 Cor. 12:2 - Paul speaks of a man in Christ who was caught up to the third heaven.

I don’t know how you made this assumption from this scripture,
oh well, #4

Matt. 27:52-53 - when Jesus died and rose, the bodies of the saints were raised.

Nothing in scripture say’s she was. #5

Can’t wait.

Don’t know on this one

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I don’t know when Mary died, or when the belief that Jesus was God are in relationship. If Mary died long before the belief that Jesus was God, then it would have not been especially important to keep her bones.

In Him and Him Only

You assume that Mary being Assumed into Heaven is not Christian doctrine. If it is not, then why do the 3 Apostolic Churches (Eastern Orthodox, Catholicism, and Oriental Orthodoxy) all believe that Mary was assumed into Heaven? We have proof that from the earliest times Christians believed that she was and that she interceded for us here on earth through the writings of the Church Fathers (even most of the protestant reformers conceded this, and granted her the title “Mother of God”). John Wesley (Methodism) prayed the rosary everyday (as do numerous Methodists and Anglicans, as well as other protestants), and numerous other protestant reformers also believed she was assumed into Heaven.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

JB.:

No, Mary was not crucified. The writer means that Mary may have experienced a real death (separation of soul from body) either prior to or as part of her Assumption, at the conclusion of which body and soul would have been reunited in Heaven had she experienced earthly death.

Oh, never mind… :banghead:

 

[Prayer_Warrior]

This is a question of authority plain and simple. For a non-Catholic Christian there is always the question “where in the bible does it say anything about the Assumption” (or Immaculate Conception) and “why do you think these things happened if they are not in the bible.” It is a tough concept for anyone who believes that the bible is the sole source of information. The fact is that Catholics do not believe that the bible is the sole authority. And, though we believe that all scripture is God inspired, we don’t believe that ONLY scripture is God inspired. This is where Sacred Tradition comes in. The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is part of Sacred Tradition. (you could probably find more than one thread on tradition -vs Tradition ) Now, with our Bible and our Sacred Tradition we also believe that the Holy Spirit guides the Pope in determining dogma. That is to say, that the Pope CANNOT falsely define dogma for the Church. He is prevented by the Holy Spirit from doing so. Does that mean the Pope can’t have mistakes in judgement in other matters? Nope. Does that even mean that the Pope has to be a good man? Nope. It just means that in matters of defining the dogma of our Church, the Pope can only say what is true.
So, after all this, I guess the answer to the question “how do you know?” it’s because I believe the Church, led by the Holy Spirit of God, has the authority to tell me it is so.

 

[desire_the_end]

May I suggest a book for you?

Hail Holy Queen, by Scott Hahn.

 

[John_Henry]

solarwind23:

I know that in Catholicism Mary is thought to have been bodily assumed into heaven, and to have been crowned the queen of heaven…

But my question is, how is this known? There is no mention of Mary’s assumption in the gospels or any of the letters, so why do you guys think her body went to heaven?

The simple answer is, we see her in Revelation 12 with a body and a crown. Granted the image works on multiple levels, but clearly one of those levels is Mary.

 

[DianJo]

Because I can read the writings of the Early Church Fathers to see what the Apostles taught and handed down to them. I can see that it was believed by very early Christians who would’ve been taught by - you guessed it - the Apostles. I can read about how the early Chrisitians practiced their faith.

Our Sacred Tradition (captial T) are those teachings directly handed down to us from the Apostles of Jesus Christ. It’s what they taught other Christians and so on and so on.

I don’t need to see it in the bible because the bible is a Tradition of the Catholic Church. The Church came first and then the bible. The bible was never intended to be a complete instruction manuel on Christianity - that’s why there were Apostles and then Bishops.

If every textbook you ever had in school was sufficient in and of itself to teach you everything you ever needed or wanted to know about that particular subject then there would be no need for the teacher in the classroom, would there?

Those Bishops, in communion with the Pope is what we call the Magesterium - the teaching office of the Catholic Church and that’s exactly what the Apostles and their Bishops were in the very beginning - even if they weren’t called that at first - that’s what they were. They taught the faith.

You (Protestants) lose so much of Christianity when you rely only on a book and throw out what the teachers taught when you can’t find the particular words in the book. What a shame.