Another Pokemon Thread. Please, read it?

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I’ve been looking through the forums here, and am deeply impressed by the intense devotion to and intelligent curiosity about God.

Now, some of you might here think I’m a little anal-retentive here, but I’d like to bring up a certain point (or several) on a certain franchise that we call Pokemon.

First off, I want to tell most people that Pokemon, while transmitted in a similar medium (or media), is NOT the same as either Digimon or Yu-Gi-Oh. The presence of monsters in each of these franchises is about as damning as similarities to the Batman and Spider Man - they wear tights, use tethers to fly, etc. Just to clarify, Digimon differs from Pokemon in that it is developed for more of a niche of the world - those interested in digital pets (like Tamagotchi), where as Pokemon is fairly more worldwide. Yu-Gi-Oh, on the other hand, is more rooted in ancient Egyptian paganism spirituality and occult, to use the terms loosely.

Please - it annoys me when people blindly loop them together and then blast them.

Having said that, there do exist people in the world who have a decent issue to take up with the Pokemon franchise, which I will attempt to address, here.
  1. Pokemon stands for Pocket Demons.
    a. No. Not in the slightest. It stands for Pocket Monsters.
    b. The Pokemon in the world of the franchise are the natural inhabitants; the alternate version of our own systems of fauna and flora. They are NOT demons.
  2. Humans control pokemon, turning them into mindless slaves.
    a. Pokemon are not slaves. They choose to follow humans.
    i. While it may seem a little counter-intuitive, Pokemon “captured” in the poke balls actually do so mainly by acquiescence (they let themselves be captured). They are impressed by the “trainer” (the human who catches them) and they join his team.
    ii. This is, in essence, a special kind of contract – not of the demonic variety; in exchange for the services of the Pokemon, the trainer will help them to achieve growth of their own.
    iii. Much of a pokemon’s strength is based on mutual loyalty and fellowship – Pokemon choose to help their trainer.
  3. Pokemon battles are like dogfights or cockfights. They fight until one stays down.
    a. Well, no. It’s more like falconry or competition, in a way. And the staying down part is called “fainting”, which means that the pokemon simply no longer wants to fight. For those of you animal-lovers out there, the Poemon get to go to a special, spa-like place to be rejuvenated.
    i. As stated before, Pokemon have free will. They choose to fight at their trainer’s command. It’s more like sparring in martial arts than dogfighting.
    ii. They fight in the wild just like regular Pokemon battles, except in the latter, they receive directions from a trainer who tries to help them win. It’s simply basic competition.
    iii. Pokemon CAN and HAVE chosen NOT to fight, or even to follow their trainer’s general commands. Anyone familiar with the early TV series will recall that Ash (the main character) had a Charizard (a large dragon-thing) that absolutely refused to follow orders for most of the whole first season, and much of the second, until Ash proved himself to it, resulting in many funny and somewhat empathetic scenes in which Charizard costs Ash the match, usually by leaving the “field of battle” and falling promptl asleep. For a second example, there was an episode in which the pokemon of many different trainers not only refused to obey their trainers, but most even refused to leave the poke balls they were in. The reason? They refused to assist in the building of a dam that would cause major damage to a nearby colony and habit of wild pokemon.
    1. This occurs even in the games – primarily as an anti-cheating measure, trainers who traded for super-powerful, high level pokemon (trading pokemon is no more sinful than trading players on an official basketball or baseball team), who did not have certain badges (emblems that signified respect and acknowledgement by certain, recognized trainers called Gym Leaders), would be unable to efficiently direct the new Pokemon, because the traded pokemon would have no respect for a novice trainer. This results in the Pokemon either: lazing about, simply refusing to follow orders, going to sleep, using a technique not intended by the trainer, or, rarely, following an order (that’s a one-in-five chance of success).
 
I’ve watched the various shows, and it may interest you to know that the ONLY one of the genre I allow my daughter to watch is Pokemon. Thankfully, she watches alone now, because the youngest hates the whole genre, and my husband I only watch to make sure all is well. We don’t let her watch the others simply because the amount of flashing graphics makes us dizzy, so we can imagine what it does to her. She isn’t as keyed up after Pokemon.

My husband dabbles in Japanese culture. He watches goofy shows such as Salary Man and Yakatade Japan. Salary Man is about a guy who used to be in a gang, but is raising his son, sadly motherless. He rescued the head of a corporation, and now is salary man (wage earner on fixed salary). His skills learned in the gang help him save the corporation and fight against corruption. Yakatade Japan is about bread bakers who are in constant competition. It actually relates through background threads the history of many of the breads made in the competitions.
 
What about the fact that these pre-teens wander the world with no parental guidance, frequently getting into life threatening situations? Or that Ash’s friend Brock is constantly lusting after any female? Or that almost every helpful adult is just a clone (Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny)?

It was just a cartoon designed to sell merchandise (games, cards and toys) and I’m glad my son finally got over that phase.
 
What about the fact that these pre-teens wander the world with no parental guidance, frequently getting into life threatening situations? So do Scooby Doo’s crew. Or that Ash’s friend Brock is constantly lusting after any female? Or that almost every helpful adult is just a clone (Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny)? So? What about Hannah Montana?

It was just a cartoon designed to sell merchandise (games, cards and toys) and I’m glad my son finally got over that phase.And let you let him watch it, apparently.
 
Scooby Doo has so many other things that can be pointed out, but they were not pre-teens. They were all old enough to drive at least.

As for Hannah Montana, The few episodes I’ve seen the brother acts like a jerk at first, but realizes that he was wrong somewhere in the episode. It’s not something I know a lot about, having a teenage boy that thinks she’s dumb.

Yes, my son did watch Pokemon occasionally. I was contantly pointing out to him that the kids shouldn’t have been running around on their own without any supervision. Officer Jenny should have arrested them for truancy for never going to school too.

I did refuse to buy him anything to do with Pokemon. If he wanted something (like the game), he had to earn the money himself. Not because I thought the writing was weak and the plots just recycled, but because I felt it was created just for marketing and I wasn’t buying into it. I never forbid him from having them though.

It wasn’t my intent to attack the show or anyone for watching it. I just wanted to point out issues that I thought were much more valid than saying that pokemon were demons. Even the issues I pointed out don’t make the show itself “evil”. It makes it worth discussing with your kids if they watch it.
 
***We have Pokemon books, and a stuffed Bulbasaur from Burger King.
It wasn’t my intent to attack the show or anyone for watching it. I just wanted to point out issues that I thought were much more valid than saying that pokemon were demons. Even the issues I pointed out don’t make the show itself “evil”. It makes it worth discussing with your kids if they watch it. Well, this is my theory: You raise your kid your way, and I’ll raise my kid mine. How about that? You are the TV comptroller in your house, and I am the TV comptroller in mine.

In Japanese, the word translates to “pocket monsters” or “pocket entities” not demons.
 
I was gonna say that, I didn’t know it was still shown!
Sadly, yes, on Cartoon Network, several times a day. In our house, it is watched no more than three times a week.
 
What about the fact that these pre-teens wander the world with no parental guidance, frequently getting into life threatening situations?
Kids wandering around on adventures has been the stuff of stories forever.

Ever read Tom Sawyer?
 
Kids wandering around on adventures has been the stuff of stories forever.

Ever read Tom Sawyer?
And Huckleberry Finn. And even the Bobbsey twins were known to travel without chaperons.
 
And Huckleberry Finn. And even the Bobbsey twins were known to travel without chaperons.
It is a sad commentary that people see kids roaming about having adventures as a bad thing.

When I was a kid, in the summer when school was out - kids went outside after breakfast, came home for lunch (or maybe took a sandwich with them) and knew to be home by dark. They roamed the neighborhood and had many adventures, they rode bikes and built forts and skinned knees and LIVED.

Kids did not sit inside, playing video games and eating cheetoes all day long.

Thank GOD I was able to raise my child in a place where the same thing happens today.
 
It was just a cartoon designed to sell merchandise (games, cards and toys) and I’m glad my son finally got over that phase.
The CCG (collectible card game) came first. So the cartoon is based off of the card game, which in turns sells more cards.
 
Yeah, I don’t like it either when people label something is “demonic” when it clearly is not. Yugioh, Cardcaptors, Pokemon, etc. are not demonic in the least… they just kill a lot of time.

I definitely admire your passion to debunk these rumors of demonic television shows, but I have to say that Pokemon needs to stop while they’re ahead. 250 Pokemon or so was great, but now they’re just putting shapes, sizes, and random abilities together without a care.

This series is timeless… they really expect us to believe Ash is still ten??? 😉

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
 
Pokemon is soooooo 90’s.
You must not be in 5th grade, because in my kids school Pokemon is still cool. 😉
My kids have 2 friends that moved here from Korea and brought the fad with them. My kids have loved it since then. They trade cards, watch the show on Saturday and get Pokemon books to read. I don’t mind, it seems harmless to me.
 
Amorth, the Chief exorcist to the Vatican, warns against Pokemon. Personally I don’t have the time to research it nor do I have the interest. Fortunately my kids are able to find more productive things to do with their time and also haven’t shown any interest in those types of characters.
 
What about the fact that these pre-teens wander the world with no parental guidance, frequently getting into life threatening situations? Or that Ash’s friend Brock is constantly lusting after any female? Or that almost every helpful adult is just a clone (Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny)?

It was just a cartoon designed to sell merchandise (games, cards and toys) and I’m glad my son finally got over that phase.
You said it yourself : “just a cartoon”. Sure they get into (theoretically) life-threatening situations. Did you ever see anyone actually get badly hurt? How many times did Team Rocket “blast off again”?
And Brock’s “lusting” is equally theoretical. he never gets anywhere.
 
"Well, this is my theory: You raise your kid your way, and I’ll raise my kid mine. How about that? You are the TV comptroller in your house, and I am the TV comptroller in mine.

In Japanese, the word translates to “pocket monsters” or “pocket entities” not demons."

👍 That was my point. That’s why I said the demon thing was not a legitimate argument. People make up reasons to attack shows, rather than discuss them with their kids. Unless something is seriously offensive to a whole lot of people, the person who finds it offensive should re-examine their own viewpoint and see if they may be over-reacting.

The alternate reasons I listed were to point out that people can keep arguing and finding things wrong with shows without making up demons where there aren’t any. If one person argues with his next door neighbor about a show, it’s not going to change the show. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it.

A Protestant friend of mine once asked me about the Catholic Church’s teaching on Mary, and when I explained it to her, she started to get defensive and argue with me. I simply replied “I can’t argue with you. You asked what the Church teaches. This is what the Church teaches. Just because you disagree, it’s not going to change the Church’s teaching, so there is no point in attacking me.” 🤷

Arguing for argument sake is tiring.

Light hearted debate on the other hand can be enlightening.
 
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