Another Quirinius Thread

[pianistclare]

I know I just worry.

Padre Pio once said

"Pray constantly and worry about nothing"

Above all listen to the words of Jesus Himself:

Matthew 6:25-27 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?

 

[Faith1960]

Padre Pio once said

"Pray constantly and worry about nothing"

Above all listen to the words of Jesus Himself:

Matthew 6:25-27 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?

I think Santa is bringing me a Kay Jewelers Open Heart necklace in the shape of an angel. It will be a good reminder to keep my heart open to my Guardian Angel, God and my faith.

 

[frangiuliano115]

I agree 100%. Sometimes I think people get too caught up in minutia. That the Bible might have the odd historical fact wrong (or possibly not) or have a copyists error or insertion that has come down to us through the ages should not matter if it does not affect the theological message. The inerrant nature of the Bible that I feel we are guaranteed is one of theology, not one of historicity. That’s not to say that the Bible isn’t full of historical facts- as another member pointed out, the Bible has told us about historical locations that were initially denied by skeptics that archaeology later verified.

(I think that other member was me!)

Fran

 

[AKDee]

(I think that other member was me!)

Fran

Ha! I remember what I read, but usually not who wrote it.

 

[pianistclare]

I think Santa is bringing me a Kay Jewelers Open Heart necklace in the shape of an angel. It will be a good reminder to keep my heart open to my Guardian Angel, God and my faith.

that’s sweet! Santa must love you a lot!

 

[Faith1960]

that’s sweet! Santa must love you a lot!

I hope so. Time will tell.

 

[Faith1960]

Well, it’s written for the average lay person, but take note:
The Bible isn’t a book. It’s a library. The Bible is a collection of 73 books written over the course of many centuries. The books include royal history, prophecy, poetry, challenging letters to struggling new faith communities, and believers’ accounts of the preaching and passion of Jesus. Knowing the genre of the book you are reading will help you understand the literary tools the author is using and the meaning the author is trying to convey.

On other words, the Bible contains universal truth. HOW it is related can vary: allegory, history, song, parable, etc.

Question:
Do you believe everything we profess in the Creed every Sunday?
Of the answer is YES, then stop with this constant doubting.
It’s great to ask questions about the faith, but I get the feeling you think it’s all a big scam put forth by the Church and a lot of us.
It’s not.
You know this.
Right?

Yes, I know this but I don’t particularly care for your recent "tone"with me, with the exception of the Santa post, to be honest.

 

[Faith1960]

Very good!

Couple this with my post no. 29 and Faith should know pretty much all there is to know, unless she’s planning on becoming a theologist!

And maybe she will after all her threads…!



Fran

Is this bash Faith week?

 

[Faith1960]

Well, it’s written for the average lay person, but take note:
The Bible isn’t a book. It’s a library. The Bible is a collection of 73 books written over the course of many centuries. The books include royal history, prophecy, poetry, challenging letters to struggling new faith communities, and believers’ accounts of the preaching and passion of Jesus. Knowing the genre of the book you are reading will help you understand the literary tools the author is using and the meaning the author is trying to convey.

On other words, the Bible contains universal truth. HOW it is related can vary: allegory, history, song, parable, etc.

Question:
Do you believe everything we profess in the Creed every Sunday?
Of the answer is YES, then stop with this constant doubting.
It’s great to ask questions about the faith, but I get the feeling you think it’s all a big scam put forth by the Church and a lot of us.
It’s not.
You know this.
Right?

What genre are the Genisis stories that tell two different stories of the beginning of the universe?
Or the story of Noah, where it says eight survived, yet there has never been fewer than 10,000 or so people on earth, not counting Adam and Eve?

 

[pianistclare]

Yes, I know this but I don’t particularly care for your recent "tone"with me, with the exception of the Santa post, to be honest.

You ask the same things over and over.
I’ll stop answering if it bugs you that much.
bye.

 

[Faith1960]

You ask the same things over and over.
I’ll stop answering if it bugs you that much.
bye.

You could just be a wee more charitable.

 

[guanophore]

I’d like to say that the bible, either the O.T. or the N.T., was not written as a history book.

No geschichte?

For the Jews, there was no history apart from religious history.

 However, the only reason the O. T. was written was to let future generations know the story of the Hebrew people and how God was made present to them and how He guided them.

Is this not inherintly historical?

 The bible is a holy book to make us know the Lord so we could follow Him.  The ONLY important fact in the entire N.T. is the resurrection of Jesus.

Wow, Fran.

Statements like this that you make with frequency can be quite alarming.

stop worrying about how literal everything in the bible is.  It's VERY literal, but was not written for that purpose.  There might be some historical fact that is not 100% correct due to memory loss or due to the timing of the biblical stories.  We're not even sure of when Jesus was born.  Maybe 6 BC, maybe 4 BC.  What difference does it make?  He was born and that's what's important.

I do agree with your point.

 The bible is the story of God's interaction with man.  It should be read like that.

This is an important perspective. I don’t think it is separated or “not history”, since God’s interaction with man takes place within human history, but it is not a book of science or archeology.

 

[frangiuliano115]

Is this bash Faith week?

Hi Faith,

There’s some misunderstanding here.

It’s not bashing you to say that you’re becoming a theologist!!

I think it’s the opposite. I think it’s a compliment. Many people don’t think of all the things you do.

Fran

 

[frangiuliano115]

No geschichte?

For the Jews, there was no history apart from religious history.

Is this not inherintly historical?

Wow, Fran.

Statements like this that you make with frequency can be quite alarming.

I do agree with your point.

This is an important perspective. I don’t think it is separated or “not history”, since God’s interaction with man takes place within human history, but it is not a book of science or archeology.

Of course the bible takes place at a time and in a place. But it was not primarily written for historic reasons but to make God a part of that population’s history and to show how He worked in it.

You object to my following point and are alarmed by it:

The bible is a holy book to make us know the Lord so we could follow Him. The ONLY important fact in the entire N.T. is the resurrection of Jesus.

Could you think of something more important and share?

Anything else in the bible could be a bit off, or wrong, or whatever. (till now haven’t found anything - just making a point) BUT

What if the resurrection is wrong?
Think about it.

Fran

 

[Faith1960]

Of course the bible takes place at a time and in a place. But it was not primarily written for historic reasons but to make God a part of that population’s history and to show how He worked in it.

You object to my following point and are alarmed by it:

The bible is a holy book to make us know the Lord so we could follow Him. The ONLY important fact in the entire N.T. is the resurrection of Jesus.

Could you think of something more important and share?

Anything else in the bible could be a bit off, or wrong, or whatever. (till now haven’t found anything - just making a point)
Fran/.QUOTE]

I can think of something wrong – where in the story of Noah, it says only eight people survived the Flood, but there has never been fewer than 10,000 or so people on the earth, except for Adam and Eve.

 

[guanophore]

You object to my following point and are alarmed by it:

The bible is a holy book to make us know the Lord so we could follow Him. The ONLY important fact in the entire N.T. is the resurrection of Jesus.

Could you think of something more important and share?

Anything else in the bible could be a bit off, or wrong, or whatever. (till now haven’t found anything - just making a point) BUT

What if the resurrection is wrong?
Think about it.

Fran

Of course I agree that the resurrection is an essential and important element. But again you have narrowed, chopped, abbreviated and eliminated the rest by claiming “only”.

If that were the “only important fact” then the Holy Spirit would not have inspired the writers to pen so much more, or the Church to canonize the rest of the NT.

 

[Faith1960]

Well, tell them very nicely that you’re going with the Catholic interpretation and God bless them for their interest,
And walk away.
You don’t have to defend or debate your beliefs with anyone.
It’s harming you.

It’s that here, on CAF, one person says one thing, then another person says the opposite. It’s kind of hard to know who’s right.

 

[frangiuliano115]

Of course I agree that the resurrection is an essential and important element. But again you have narrowed, chopped, abbreviated and eliminated the rest by claiming “only”.

If that were the “only important fact” then the Holy Spirit would not have inspired the writers to pen so much more, or the Church to canonize the rest of the NT.

Maybe I should have said “MOST” important instead of “ONLY” important.
You hang onto every word.

But you haven’t answered my question:

What is MORE important than the resurrection??

We, as Christians, could accept any error if there be one - but could we ever accept that the resurrection was a lie??

Fran

 

[frangiuliano115]

It’s that here, on CAF, one person says one thing, then another person says the opposite. It’s kind of hard to know who’s right.

Faith,

Your relationship with God is YOUR relationship with God.

Why should you be so interested in what anybody thinks about theological issues??

Might I be so bold as to suggest that you do what my father did when he was about 65/70 years old? He read the entire New Testament from Mathew to Revelation, in order.

Then he made a list of what it said. It was very interesting what he came up with.

It would be very interesting if you did this to see what you would come up with.
Or have you done this already?

Fran

 

[frangiuliano115]

frangiuliano115;13518412:

Of course the bible takes place at a time and in a place. But it was not primarily written for historic reasons but to make God a part of that population’s history and to show how He worked in it.

You object to my following point and are alarmed by it:

The bible is a holy book to make us know the Lord so we could follow Him. The ONLY important fact in the entire N.T. is the resurrection of Jesus.

Could you think of something more important and share?

Anything else in the bible could be a bit off, or wrong, or whatever. (till now haven’t found anything - just making a point)
Fran/.QUOTE]

I can think of something wrong – where in the story of Noah, it says only eight people survived the Flood, but there has never been fewer than 10,000 or so people on the earth, except for Adam and Eve.

What makes you think that Catholicism, and many protestant denominations, are fundamentalist? Do you take the bible literally? Do you think the earth was made in 7 literal days? Do you think Noah saved every type of animal on the earth?

Did you know that the history presented in the bible starts with Abraham? From Abraham and on it is based on history. Before that the stories are based on fact but they’re told to teach us something and not to teach us history.

This is an important concept to understand. Maybe you should speak to a trusted priest about this?

Fran