Another take on the placement of the Tabernacle

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Read what Lazlo says in post 37. Actually, it’s me responding to Lazlo.
Br. JR. Sorry. I guess I missed your reference. No offense. I should have also mentioned that it was only based on my experience. The other poster could have been right in his neck of the woods, as was your response to him.
 
Br. JR. Sorry. I guess I missed your reference. No offense. I should have also mentioned that it was only based on my experience. The other poster could have been right in his neck of the woods, as was your response to him.
Please do not apologize. If you could hear my confessions, you would never address me, not even on the internet. It was a simple thing. 👍

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Whenever I attend Mass I gaze upon the tabernacle. I prefer to attend the traditional Latin Mass because the focal point IS the tabernacle with the priest leading us by facing the tabernacle himself.

One ancient tradition embodied in placing the tabernacle front and center is that it represents the holy of holies. During Old Testament times they reserved the arc of the covenant as the holy of holies. Once a year a priest was allowed to enter the holy of holies. The concept of the holy of holies was continued in the Mass. In our church until recent times the holy of holies was restricted to the priest. By changing the order of things and allowing the tabernacle to be placed somewhere else, even moving it outside the church to a chapel or closet removes this ancient practice of maintaining the holy of holies.

Another reason I prefer having the tabernacle front and center is that I am able to focus on the Mass. Out of necessity because of my schedule I attend two Novus Ordo Masses every month. During Mass I focus on the tabernacle fully aware that this is the holy of holies where Jesus is present. I do not look at the priest or the singers or someone else. By attuning myself to the tabernacle I am able to pray the Mass with purpose, reverence and focus. Before, when I did not focus on the tabernacle I did not reap this level of grace and meaning from Mass.

Finally, what I am about to write may startle you or cause you disbelief but for me it is truth. Many times when I continue to gaze at the tabernacle I see the image of Jesus looking back at me. This wonderful grace I believe is a gift from the Lord. I have had this experience at different churches. I am not only grateful when I see our Lord’s image but feel comforted as well when I do recognize our Lord’s image.
 
Whenever I attend Mass I gaze upon the tabernacle. I prefer to attend the traditional Latin Mass because the focal point IS the tabernacle with the priest leading us by facing the tabernacle himself.
Actually, the focus of the Mass is not on the tabernacle (there’s no requirement to have a tabernacle at all), and it is not intended that the priest should be facing it.

To quote myself in a previous post about why it was exactly this sort of mistake that spurred reformers to move tabernacles elsewhere:

I think part of the motivation was to correct the misconceptions that I have personally seen several people on these forums strenuously insist on: namely, that the tabernacle must be behind the altar and the priest must face it because the Mass is supposed to be oriented toward the worship of Christ in the tabernacle (the priest is “speaking to the Lord who is present right there,” etc.); that the priest must not turn around to face the people because he would commit the grave insult of showing his back to the tabernacle; and similar disordered notions with absolutely no basis in traditional theology or praxis.

Just like the Precious Blood used to be withheld to correct people’s mistake that it was necessary to receive under both kinds, it is not altogether unreasonable (in the sense you occasionally hear that “They moved the tabernacle because they hate Jesus and the Real Presence!”) to correct the error of thinking that the tabernacle is in any way important to the Mass. The Mass lacks absolutely nothing when it is celebrated in the absence of a tabernacle (e.g., in a side chapel, crypt chapel, school chapel, hospital chapel, the high altar of St. Peter’s, or any other place where the Sacrament is not habitually reserved), though to hear the way some people talk about it you’d think the tabernacle was the linchpin element. (The very idea of a centrally-located, pigeonhole-type tabernacle is actually a comparatively late, most baroque, innovation.)

There is also the fact that in larger churches – cathedrals, places of pilgrimage, and the like – it has always been standard to reserve the Blessed Sacrament in a separate chapel so that adoration can take place without the distractions of the main nave, and other needful things can take place in the nave without offense to the Blessed Sacrament. This idea definitely got carried a bit too far in modern church constructions.

It’s unfortunate that this confusion over the alleged centrality of the tabernacle continues to exist. It was never seen as central during the many, many centuries in which the Sacrament either wasn’t reserved, or wasn’t reserved in a tabernacle. It was never seen as central in all the great Romanesque basilicas or Gothic cathedrals where the tabernacle wasn’t in the nave at all, and when tabernacles were more commonly established as pigeonholes behind the main altar, this was largely because it was the most convenient location from the priest’s standpoint. The tabernacle is simply of no relevance to Mass – and, as comments here often show, can actually serve as a distraction from the ultimate Sacrifice (you know, the Church’s supreme act of worship?) which takes place on the altar.

I think having a tabernacle front and center in a smaller church is excellent, as it allows everyone to pray before it and reminds people outside of Mass that the Blessed Sacrament is still at the focus of a parish’s life. But the fetishizing of it – incorrect historical and theological views of its importance, etc – if anything, just reinforces the arguments for moving it, much like mistaken conceptions about the need to receive under both Species bolstered the Church’s decision to permanently withhold the Chalice.
 
… and for what it’s worth, here’s a couple of pictures of St. Pius X, Pius XI, and Ven. Pius XII celebrating Mass. You’ll notice that there’s nary a tabernacle in sight – and yet the Mass is just as complete and holy as if there had been a tabernacle! Hmm, maybe that tells us something about the liturgical significance of the tabernacle.



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Whenever I attend Mass I gaze upon the tabernacle. I prefer to attend the traditional Latin Mass because the focal point IS the tabernacle with the priest leading us by facing the tabernacle himself.

One ancient tradition embodied in placing the tabernacle front and center is that it represents the holy of holies. During Old Testament times they reserved the arc of the covenant as the holy of holies. Once a year a priest was allowed to enter the holy of holies. The concept of the holy of holies was continued in the Mass. In our church until recent times the holy of holies was restricted to the priest. By changing the order of things and allowing the tabernacle to be placed somewhere else, even moving it outside the church to a chapel or closet removes this ancient practice of maintaining the holy of holies.

Another reason I prefer having the tabernacle front and center is that I am able to focus on the Mass…
In that context, the Tabernacle front and center (and no doubt the two cherubims on the sides) does increase the solemnity of the Mass for you. Nothing wrong with that as I see it.
 
Whenever I attend Mass I gaze upon the tabernacle. I prefer to attend the traditional Latin Mass because the focal point IS the tabernacle with the priest leading us by facing the tabernacle himself.

One ancient tradition embodied in placing the tabernacle front and center is that it represents the holy of holies. During Old Testament times they reserved the arc of the covenant as the holy of holies. Once a year a priest was allowed to enter the holy of holies. The concept of the holy of holies was continued in the Mass. In our church until recent times the holy of holies was restricted to the priest. By changing the order of things and allowing the tabernacle to be placed somewhere else, even moving it outside the church to a chapel or closet removes this ancient practice of maintaining the holy of holies.

Another reason I prefer having the tabernacle front and center is that I am able to focus on the Mass. Out of necessity because of my schedule I attend two Novus Ordo Masses every month. During Mass I focus on the tabernacle fully aware that this is the holy of holies where Jesus is present. I do not look at the priest or the singers or someone else. By attuning myself to the tabernacle I am able to pray the Mass with purpose, reverence and focus. Before, when I did not focus on the tabernacle I did not reap this level of grace and meaning from Mass.

Finally, what I am about to write may startle you or cause you disbelief but for me it is truth. Many times when I continue to gaze at the tabernacle I see the image of Jesus looking back at me. This wonderful grace I believe is a gift from the Lord. I have had this experience at different churches. I am not only grateful when I see our Lord’s image but feel comforted as well when I do recognize our Lord’s image.
Just one quick point. The priest is not really facing the tabernacle. He is facing the crucifix. The tabernacle happens to be in front of him. As I said before, it was put there by St. Francis of Assisi sometime in the 13th century. But it was not his intention or that of the Church to make the tabernacle the focal point of the mass. The focal point was and remains the altar of sacrifice. For that reason, in monastic chapels, there was no tabernacle in the same space where you celebrated mass. The tabernacle was on a side altar or a side chapel that was near the sanctuary or another chapel where the monks pray the Divine Office…

However, if the tabernacle helps you pray, there is nothing wrong with that. Just be careful not to tell people that it is the focal point of the altar. That is inconsistent with what the Church has believed since the time of the Apostles. During the early days of the Church, the monks carried the blessed sacrament in a pouch. They did not leave it in a church. The Eastern Catholics were the first to place it in the Church. It was St. Basil who placed the Sacrament in a dove that was suspended over the altar. Later the Oriental Christians created the tabernacle and the side chapel. Eventually, this practice came to Europe. The tabernacle was placed on the altar of the side chapel. We’re not sure where St. Francis got the idea that it was permissible to place it on the main altar. We know that he did so, because there was no other place for it. Our chapels were very small. Surely, there must have been some canon or some practice somewhere that allowed it. Francis was not one to do things that were no allowed. That’s the story in brief. As you can see, it is not nor has it ever been the center of the mass.

This DOES NOT MEAN that we must ignore it. It simply means that the center of the mass remains the altar of sacrifice and the pulpit during the Liturgy of the Word.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Just one quick point. The priest is not really facing the tabernacle. He is facing the crucifix.
Thanks for pointing that out. Even the servers are taught to bow to the crucifix at certain points as part of their duties (at least in the EF anyway). This is of course easier when the crucifix is at the center of the altar.

If the priest says the Mass ad populum, facing the crucifix may be a problem, especially when the crucifix is behind the free-standing altar. But I digress.
 
Just one quick point. The priest is not really facing the tabernacle. He is facing the crucifix. The tabernacle happens to be in front of him.
Very true, but I think it’s important to note as well that in ad orientem celebration, the priest is, in the first place, facing (liturgical) East, which has deep theological meaning on its own.
 
Very true, but I think it’s important to note as well that in ad orientem celebration, the priest is, in the first place, facing (liturgical) East, which has deep theological meaning on its own.
I understand that. However, I was responding to the person who said that the priest’s focus during the mass should be the tabernacle on the altar, which has never been the case in our 2000 year history. Whether he faces east or north, the point I was making is that the tabernacle is not is focal point during the mass, because the mass is not supposed to be adoration of the reserved sacrament. That’s a whole other rite in itself. To the best of my knowledge, none of the Catholic or Orthodox Churches focus on the tabernacle during mass. We all focus on the altar of sacrifice and face the cross.

If the cross is above the priest or behind him, that’s a little more difficult, but he is still focussed on the altar of sacrifice. That was my point.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
It seems to me that there really is almost a “superstitious” view of the Blessed Sacrament in some cases, especially when I hear phrases like,* “I feel irreverent when my Lord is not front & center”. *

Our Lord is always “front & center” at any Mass, whether the tabernacle is at the main altar, a side altar, or in another room altogether!
During Mass, after the consecration, Jesus is, at that point, “front and center” (although He should be constantly front and center in our thoughts and in our prayer - here, rather, I‘m speaking of the real presence in the Eucharist); but this misses the point with respect to the Blessed Sacrament reserved in the tabernacle. If you believe in the real presence, then Jesus is really present when the Blessed Sacrament is reserved in the tabernacle, and thus the tabernacle should be no place other than front and center.

Some Cathedrals and Basilicas, especially in Rome, have a lot of tourist traffic and these therefore have a specific chapel devoted to quiet respectful worship. But here I believe we are addressing churches which do not have a lot of tourists, nor do they have side chapels; in this case if Jesus is really and truly present in the Blessed Sacrament, and the tabernacle, with the Blessed Sacrament in it, is set off to the side somewhere, then you have really and truly set Jesus off to the side somewhere - this is simply a matter of logic. I’m not sure how anyone would consider this “almost superstitious”

This, of course, does not mean that a church or monastery is required to reserve the Blessed Sacrament; but if you do then you should place it “front and center”.
 
I was compelled to search for the word Tabernacle on this forum because I have become concerned by watching the priest leave the altar area to retrieve the Eucharist from the Tabernacle which is remotely located at the church that I attend. He leaves after the consecration. The Body of Christ is left sitting alone on the altar during daily mass.

In a casual conversation with the priest, I inquired why he doesn’t have someone else bring the ciborium, thereby allowing him to stay on the altar. His response was that lay people are not allowed to handle the Blessed Sacrament in that manner. I was surprised since lay Eucharistic Ministers hold it in their hands.

I recently noticed that a visiting priest carried the Consecrated Host with him during the entrance procession. I presumed that he was trying to avoid leaving the altar later… I suspect that there is something wrong with this approach, or other priests would do likewise.

Moving the tabernacle to the altar area would eliminate the need for the priest to leave the altar.

Does anyone else think that it is disrespectful for the priest to leave Jesus sitting alone on the altar? Are lay people prohibited from removing the Eucharist from the tabernacle and bringing It to the altar? Is there a problem with the priest carrying the Eucharist to the altar at beginning of mass, as our visitor had done?

Thanks 🙂
 
I was compelled to search for the word Tabernacle on this forum because I have become concerned by watching the priest leave the altar area to retrieve the Eucharist from the Tabernacle which is remotely located at the church that I attend. He leaves after the consecration. The Body of Christ is left sitting alone on the altar during daily mass.
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I was compelled to search for the word Tabernacle on this forum because I have become concerned by watching the priest leave the altar area to retrieve the Eucharist from the Tabernacle which is remotely located at the church that I attend. He leaves after the consecration. The Body of Christ is left sitting alone on the altar during daily mass.

In a casual conversation with the priest, I inquired why he doesn’t have someone else bring the ciborium, thereby allowing him to stay on the altar. His response was that lay people are not allowed to handle the Blessed Sacrament in that manner. I was surprised since lay Eucharistic Ministers hold it in their hands.

I recently noticed that a visiting priest carried the Consecrated Host with him during the entrance procession. I presumed that he was trying to avoid leaving the altar later… I suspect that there is something wrong with this approach, or other priests would do likewise.
This is the proof that the people facing altar, together with the (almost) all present receive the Eucharist was an immature idea. Neither was part of the XXI Ecumenical council, and the two together results in unresolved difficulties.

In the early Church, as the council recommended, people received the communion from the bread consecrated on the same Mass
  1. That more perfect form of participation in the Mass whereby the faithful, after the priest’s communion, receive the Lord’s body from the same sacrifice, is strongly commended.
This would be possible, if anyone who arrives and intend to receive communion would put a small host from a container to the communion patten, and get a tag which qualifies him/her to the communion. The new form even advises a process to taking the bread and wine to the altar before the offertory as last action of the faithful.

Those who are late would loose this honor. In this case the tabernacle would be only for the viaticum and extraordinary cases, and could be anywhere as it was in the first millennium. The only other fully reverent possibility is if the tabernacle is on the altar and the priest faces the tabernacle (and a cross on top of that)

I would vote for this later resolution. In our church before the masses there is a 30 minutes exposition, taken away only before the mass; and this ensures the traditional principle: silence before mass, participation during mass, and communication with each other only after the mass outside.
 
During Mass, after the consecration, Jesus is, at that point, “front and center” (although He should be constantly front and center in our thoughts and in our prayer - here, rather, I‘m speaking of the real presence in the Eucharist); but this misses the point with respect to the Blessed Sacrament reserved in the tabernacle. If you believe in the real presence, then Jesus is really present when the Blessed Sacrament is reserved in the tabernacle, and thus the tabernacle should be no place other than front and center.

Some Cathedrals and Basilicas, especially in Rome, have a lot of tourist traffic and these therefore have a specific chapel devoted to quiet respectful worship. But here I believe we are addressing churches which do not have a lot of tourists, nor do they have side chapels; in this case if Jesus is really and truly present in the Blessed Sacrament, and the tabernacle, with the Blessed Sacrament in it, is set off to the side somewhere, then you have really and truly set Jesus off to the side somewhere - this is simply a matter of logic. I’m not sure how anyone would consider this “almost superstitious”

This, of course, does not mean that a church or monastery is required to reserve the Blessed Sacrament; but if you do then you should place it “front and center”.
There are several points here. Let’s break them down.
  1. Lay people may not open the tabernacle unless there is a good reason.
  2. If there is no deacon to rectrieve the consecrated hosts from the tabernacle, there is no other choice than for the priest to go retrieve it. That’s why the rules say that the tabernacle should be either on the sanctuary or to the side so that it’s not far from the altar of sacrifice. It is not a disrespectful act to walk over to get the consecrated hosts. It simply is not the ideal situation.
  3. We can’t really use this as proof to support the tabernacle on the altar and people facing the tabernacle for one simple reason. This is not the way that St. Francis established it. Remember, this is an ancient custom, probably from the East. Francis adopted it for his friars. But if you look closely, the tabernacle is not on the altar of sacrifice itself. It was on a smaller “altar”, more like a pedestal. The one on EWTN is a perfect example of what Francis set up. In the old chapel used by the friars and the new shrine used by the nuns, the tabernacle is on a separate surface, not on the altar of sacrifice. That is the original Franciscan tradition.
As I said, this was done because of lack of space. In the East they hung it over the altar inside a dove. I’m not sure what that looked like. I have never seen one. I’ve only read about it. In monasteries, it is not in the church at all. There is a separate chapel that the monks use for prayer. The church is used for mass. Today, because of financial reasons and changes in architecture, modern monasteries do not have multiple spaces as the old monasteries have. The mass and the tabernacle is sometimes found in the same space.

The ideal is that the tabernacle be on the sanctuary, not on the altar or just to the side, where the priest does not have to stray far from the consecrated speceis on the altar. Having to go to a far off chapel is not the ideal. It’s not disrespectful, because none is intended. But it is dangerous, because there is always some nutjob who can do harm to the sacrament on the altar. In those cases, it would be better to ask a EMHC to get the consecrated hosts from the tabernacle.

But Father is right. This is not what the laity is supposed to do. The indult to use EMHC convers the distribution of Holy Communion, nothing else. In the past and in religious orders of men, there are many permanent acolytes. The acolytes make this run if there is no deacon. I don’t know many dioceses that have permanent acolytes. All of the permanent acolytes that I know are religious brothers.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
What I am trying to say is, that based on what I have read & heard in this thread, no one should ever discount the presence of Jesus during the Mass whether the tabernacle is visible or not.
This is correct.

The tabernacle is holy because of what it contains. This has been the case since Old Testament times.
 
I understand that. However, I was responding to the person who said that the priest’s focus during the mass should be the tabernacle on the altar, which has never been the case in our 2000 year history. Whether he faces east or north, the point I was making is that the tabernacle is not is focal point during the mass, because the mass is not supposed to be adoration of the reserved sacrament. That’s a whole other rite in itself. To the best of my knowledge, none of the Catholic or Orthodox Churches focus on the tabernacle during mass. We all focus on the altar of sacrifice and face the cross.

If the cross is above the priest or behind him, that’s a little more difficult, but he is still focussed on the altar of sacrifice. That was my point.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
The tabernacle (the place of the permanent presence of our Lord) should be focal point always.

The Mass has many focal points: gathering, learning, offering, sacrifice, meal, mission. None of that in itself can be taken from the context, and in regular basis all of that had to conform with the permanent presence of our Lord.

The mass is more than the adoration of that permanent presence, but should not hide the reality of that permanent presence.

Special usage of a church building (like tourist attraction) may warrant exceptions, but to conclude from exception to every case is logical error.

In my territorial church the tabernacle (from glass to emphasize that is is the place where our Lord is present permanently) is at the West end of the church and the altar in the East end, so people sit turning their back to the tabernacle. This is wrong, and nothing can justify that.
 
The tabernacle (the place of the permanent presence of our Lord) should be focal point always.
The instructions say that the tabernacle should be either at the center of the sanctuary on on the side, reverently placed where it can be seen by the faithful. It does not say that it is the focal point during the mass.
The Mass has many focal points: gathering, learning, offering, sacrifice, meal, mission. None of that in itself can be taken from the context, and in regular basis all of that had to conform with the permanent presence of our Lord.
The mass has two parts and each part has its focal point: The Liturgy of the Word, with the Gospel as the focal point and the liturgy of the Eucharist with the sacrifice as the focal point.
The mass is more than the adoration of that permanent presence, but should not hide the reality of that permanent presence.
No one says that we should deny anything.
Special usage of a church building (like tourist attraction) may warrant exceptions, but to conclude from exception to every case is logical error.
The rules say this. So there is no disagreement here.
In my territorial church the tabernacle (from glass to emphasize that is is the place where our Lord is present permanently) is at the West end of the church and the altar in the East end, so people sit turning their back to the tabernacle. This is wrong, and nothing can justify that.
That’s a rather inconvenient arrangement and it’s not what the rules say.

As to turning one’s back on the tabernacle, you may be reading more into it than is intended. If you watch EWTN you will notice that the Franciscans have the tabernacle at the center of the sanctuary behind the altar of sacrifice. However, during the mass, the friars stand between the tabernacle and the altar of sacrifice with their back to the tabernacle. They can do this, because it’s not done as an act of disrespect. It is the intent of the celebrant to face the people.

This does not mean that it is wrong to celebrate the mass facing ad orientem. I’m simply saying that you may be reading disrespect where none is intended. I know for a fact that in the Franciscan tradition, there is a deep love and respect for the Blessed Sacrament. Yet, the ordained friars do turn their back in order to face the altar. It’s an option that is allowed by the Church.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The late Fr. James Hardon was a respected thinker and writer. I like to read his works. Here is a link to his website and what he said about the tabernacle:

therealpresence.org/archives/Q_and_A/Q_and_A_021.htm

Q. Is it good to place the tabernacle in a room adjoining the main church instead of in a central place of honor in the sanctuary? A priest told us that “it is an ancient tradition for the tabernacle to be located in a chapel separate from the main body of the church; St. Peter’s in Rome does not have a tabernacle in the center of the church.” —J.M.S., California

A. The widespread desacrilization of tabernacles has practically changed their purpose. From the earliest days of the Church, a tabernacle contained the Real Presence of Christ. As such, a tabernacle was where the living Christ was reserved. Already in the sixteenth century, there were something like one hundred definitions of a tabernacle. What the denial of the Real Presence did was to deprive a tabernacle of its inherent sacredness. A tabernacle always was the place where the living Jesus Christ was believed to be Present in the fullness of His divinity, no doubt hidden behind His sacred humanity. As faith in the Real Presence either disappeared or became obscured, tabernacles lost their inherent sacredness. The following statement may seem incredible. But for many still professed Catholics, there is no Real Presence of the living Christ on earth. Given this fact, the very meaning of tabernacle has disappeared from the minds of millions of once professed Catholics.
 
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