Another Thread about Women being priests

[JAGCath28]

I agree with the Church’s tradition about men only. However, I started this thread because of a discussion on another thread.

Other than the fact that Christ chose 12 MEN as His Apostles, what other traditions/scripture has brought the Church to believe this?

The Eastern rites also only have men priests right? They can be married though, isn’t that correct?

What about the priests in the Old Testament? Were there ever women priests? I don’t EVER recall reading about a woman priest. I know that there were women judges (Deborah), but judges and priests are different. Also, in the New Testament we know that there were major players in the early Church that were women (Priscilla). You could even call them missionaries, but they weren’t priests.

God Bless,

Jessica

 

[Zundrah]

You’re wrong because there are women priest, they are called priestess! Look it up!

 

[JAGCath28]

You’re wrong because there are women priest, they are called priestess! Look it up!

I will gladly admit I’m wrong. I’m only asking a question. Can you help me out by showing me where they are mentioned? Is it in any of the first 5 books of the Bible or in the history portion (1&2 Samuel, 1&2 Kings, 1&2Chronicles…etc) or in the prophets?

 

[AFormerCatholic]

Other than the fact that Christ chose 12 MEN as His Apostles, what other traditions/scripture has brought the Church to believe this?

You cannot overlook, that historically, in the time that the Bible was written, it was a male dominated, patriarchical based societey.

Of course 12 men were chosen as apostles, it would have pretty much guaranteed that Christianity, while competing for converts amongst all of the other self appointed Messiah’s of the day, would have been utterly ignored, if it had espoused equality of the sexes and a shared role between males and females.

It’s the same reason that the Bible never outrightly condemns slavery, as slavery was an accepted practice in Biblical times.

 

[JAGCath28]

You cannot overlook, that historically, in the time that the Bible was written, it was a male dominated, patriarchical based societey.

Of course 12 men were chosen as apostles, it would have pretty much guaranteed that Christianity, while competing for converts amongst all of the other self appointed Messiah’s of the day, would have been utterly ignored, if it had espoused equality of the sexes and a shared role between males and females.

It’s the same reason that the Bible never outrightly condemns slavery, as slavery was an accepted practice in Biblical times.

There were many other pagan religions at the time of Exodus who had women priestesses and men priests so why would the Israelites choose to only have men? I’m Catholic so I believe it was God ordained.

 

[Zundrah]

I will gladly admit I’m wrong. I’m only asking a question. Can you help me out by showing me where they are mentioned? Is it in any of the first 5 books of the Bible or in the history portion (1&2 Samuel, 1&2 Kings, 1&2Chronicles…etc) or in the prophets?

Strife woman! I didn’t mean that they were in the bible!
They exist now, I saw a church service on television where the woman was a priest (I thought it was catholic, but perhaps it was Anglican?).

 

[EDB]

Strife woman! I didn’t mean that they were in the bible!
They exist now, I saw a church service on television where the woman was a priest (I thought it was catholic, but perhaps it was Anglican?).

The Roman Catholic church does not have any women priests. Never has and never will. If you saw something on tv it wasn’t Roman Catholic.

Peace

 

[JAGCath28]

Strife woman! I didn’t mean that they were in the bible!
They exist now, I saw a church service on television where the woman was a priest (I thought it was catholic, but perhaps it was Anglican?).

haha…

Well, Zundrah, it couldn’t have been Catholic (unless maybe Eastern rite, but I don’t think so…someone please clarify this for me because I really don’t know). There are several Anglican churches that have similar practices as Catholics such as Episcopalians. However, they are not Catholic because they split from the Church and do not submit to the authority of the Church.

You’ve said so yourself that the other Churches are missing the truth so what would make you think that they got one thing right with the women priests but the other stuff wrong? Maybe they are wrong on that as well…

Other than the women’s lib idea that bothers you, what really bothers you about not being a priest? I guess it is different for me because I have a personality that very easily submits to authority. So women priests has never been an issue for me to overcome. I have never desired to be a priest. It doesn’t change my desire for wanting to evangelize or help other or spread the faith, but being a priest was never a thought in my mind. I will pray that you can get peace about this.

 

[AFormerCatholic]

There were many other pagan religions at the time of Exodus who had women priestesses and men priests so why would the Israelites choose to only have men? I’m Catholic so I believe it was God ordained.

God must have also had a role in assuring that all of the other major world religions are male dominated.

 

[davidv]

You’re wrong because there are women priest, they are called priestess! Look it up!

Have you read this article yet?

“Why can’t Women be Priests”

 

[Zundrah]

Have you read this article yet?

“Why can’t Women be Priests”

It’s quite long, so I will look it up asap. Thanks.

 

[Zundrah]

The Roman Catholic church does not have any women priests. Never has and never will. If you saw something on tv it wasn’t Roman Catholic.

Peace

It looked very catholic to me but I am very sure that it wasn’t, it must have been Anglican then or some thing like that?

 

[Zundrah]

haha…

Well, Zundrah, it couldn’t have been Catholic (unless maybe Eastern rite, but I don’t think so…someone please clarify this for me because I really don’t know). There are several Anglican churches that have similar practices as Catholics such as Episcopalians. However, they are not Catholic because they split from the Church and do not submit to the authority of the Church.

You’ve said so yourself that the other Churches are missing the truth so what would make you think that they got one thing right with the women priests but the other stuff wrong? Maybe they are wrong on that as well…

Other than the women’s lib idea that bothers you, what really bothers you about not being a priest? I guess it is different for me because I have a personality that very easily submits to authority. So women priests has never been an issue for me to overcome. I have never desired to be a priest. It doesn’t change my desire for wanting to evangelize or help other or spread the faith, but being a priest was never a thought in my mind. I will pray that you can get peace about this.

JAGCath28, thank you for understanding me (I’m still awaiting guanophore to come on this thread) but some people get very mean about me asking why can’t women be ordained. The thing is, it hurts me that God apparently says “no” to women in church. I am not protesting about it, but I am saying that it hurts me! Why can people keep ignoring this pain? There is no consolment, and I feel bad because Guanophore has tried to help me but to no avail. I need serious prayer you know, because it’s becoming a real drag for me. I can’t understand why my own God has put me down…

 

[Zundrah]

God must have also had a role in assuring that all of the other major world religions are male dominated.

You use to be catholic but now you are athiest! - - -Iv’e heard it all now!
What do you think on this matter - women not being ordained?

 

[davidv]

JAGCath28, thank you for understanding me (I’m still awaiting guanophore to come on this thread) but some people get very mean about me asking why can’t women be ordained. The thing is, it hurts me that God apparently says “no” to women in church. I am not protesting about it, but I am saying that it hurts me! Why can people keep ignoring this pain? There is no consolment, and I feel bad because Guanophore has tried to help me but to no avail. I need serious prayer you know, because it’s becoming a real drag for me. I can’t understand why my own God has put me down…

If the male priesthood is a designed by God, why does that hurt you? Isn’t God’s will for your benefit? What is the source of the pain if this is God plan?

Why do you think this is “put down”? Should I, a male, also think I am put down because I cannot be a mother?

 

[JAGCath28]

JAGCath28, thank you for understanding me (I’m still awaiting guanophore to come on this thread) but some people get very mean about me asking why can’t women be ordained. The thing is, it hurts me that God apparently says “no” to women in church. I am not protesting about it, but I am saying that it hurts me! Why can people keep ignoring this pain? There is no consolment, and I feel bad because Guanophore has tried to help me but to no avail. I need serious prayer you know, because it’s becoming a real drag for me. I can’t understand why my own God has put me down…

I’m sorry that this hurts you. I really am.

The way I view it is that God creates specific roles for everyone. It doesn’t mean that one role is better than the other, necessarily, but everyone has a purpose. To broaden things, look at child birth. Only women can bring life into the world (through God’s miracles). Men can’t, and never can without major surgery to turn them into women. What a gift we are given to be able to bring forth life! I mean really…I’m so honored to be a woman because of this. Only women can be mothers. Christ could only be born into this world through a woman. The responsibility of mothers are much different than those of fathers. Each are important for the balance.

 

[Zundrah]

If the male priesthood is a designed by God, why does that hurt you? Isn’t God’s will for your benefit? What is the source of the pain if this is God plan?

Why do you think this is “put down”? Should I, a male, also think I am put down because I cannot be a mother?

:whacky: You are lucky that you are not able of being a mother, don’t change the subject! It hurts because it is a strict order. That’s why… And I will never understand why.

 

[davidv]

:whacky: You are lucky that you are not able of being a mother,

My wife wouldn’t agree with you on that. She believes motherhood to be one of the greatest blessings available.

don’t change the subject!

It wasn’t meant to change the subject. It was meant show that God has designed gender specific roles for us.

It hurts because it is a strict order. That’s why… And I will never understand why.

Well, I think that you can understand if you are willing to study the reasons some more.

 

[Zundrah]

I’m sorry that this hurts you. I really am.

The way I view it is that God creates specific roles for everyone. It doesn’t mean that one role is better than the other, necessarily, but everyone has a purpose. To broaden things, look at child birth. Only women can bring life into the world (through God’s miracles). Men can’t, and never can without major surgery to turn them into women. What a gift we are given to be able to bring forth life! I mean really…I’m so honored to be a woman because of this. Only women can be mothers. Christ could only be born into this world through a woman. The responsibility of mothers are much different than those of fathers. Each are important for the balance.

Once again, I feel bad because you are trying to help me but still I am crying out, why!?
Must I just be silent forever? I am being put down. I’m sure Christ wouldn’t have done this to me. His mother was blessed, I love our darling advocate very much, she is with the Lord now. But I’m stuck down here on Earth where sexism is, and I cannot fulfill my dreams…

xxx jennifer xxx May God sweetly bless all of you for helping me. Your aims are good but your arrows of help are missing me.

 

[JAGCath28]

:whacky: You are lucky that you are not able of being a mother, don’t change the subject! It hurts because it is a strict order. That’s why… And I will never understand why.

I think it is quite on point. Men are called to be Fathers. Women are called to be Mothers. This is the natural order (IMHO). So when in religous orders, you follow the same calling.