Answering Islam

[Analyzer]

Huh? Is the preposition “of” what you are asking about? Because it means “comprising”, and that is entirely consistent with the doctrine of the Trinity. “True God of True God” and all that.

No. My concern/question goes beyond because it is through the holy Spirit (God) that this child (God) has been conceived in her (the Mother of God).

 

[dzheremi]

Okay. And this is a problem why? Is it not also in the Qur’an that God makes the virgin birth possible? We had a whole thread on this not so long ago, and it lasted for many pages. The Qur’an supports the story of the virgin birth, only with different implications than that in the Bible, since Jesus is not considered to be the Son of God in Islam, but only another in a line of messengers.

But either way, it is God who makes it possible. Islam agrees with us that God did this, but not with the Christian explanation as to why.

 

[Analyzer]

Okay. And this is a problem why? Is it not also in the Qur’an that God makes the virgin birth possible? We had a whole thread on this not so long ago, and it lasted for many pages. The Qur’an supports the story of the virgin birth, only with different implications than that in the Bible, since Jesus is not considered to be the Son of God in Islam, but only another in a line of messengers.

But either way, it is God who makes it possible. Islam agrees with us that God did this, but not with the Christian explanation as to why.

**The Koran is PERFECT and CLEAR, as there is no “God and his Son” mythical issue is there. So leave the Koran alone now.

I am talking about how Church percieved and indulged in an unexplainble concept of God, which amazingly has no roots even in the New Testament and ofcourse not even in the OT.

So from Church standpoint, God (the Father) at some point/time, sent God (Holy Ghost) to Mother of God (Mary) to conceive God (Jesus) to be born as a circumcised Jew.

How many Gods are there now, BTW?

Now who is the father (God) of your God (Jesus)?

And how old is your God(Jesus) now, as of November 2008?

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[planten]

here we are talking about the meaning of begotten, which means to proceed from, as light begets light, it is always light in essence . Eternally begotten means there was no time when the Father did not have Word/Wisdom.

inJesus, the verb Beget, begat, begotten, as per bible NT, Mathew chapter 1 is shown below for its meaning. Please see:

** 1. Abraham begat Issac. Issac begat Jacob, Jacob begat…**

 

[swariffin]

No. My concern/question goes beyond because it is through the holy Spirit (God) that this child (God) has been conceived in her (the Mother of God).

Dear Analyzer,

It is good to hear something interesting about this. I do not quite understand your point/your question. Could you please rephrase your question for me?

 

[swariffin]

**inJesus, the verb Beget, begat, begotten, as per bible NT, Mathew chapter 1 is shown below for its meaning. Please see:

1. Abraham begat Issac. Issac begat Jacob, Jacob begat…**COLOR]

If you want to go deep in the linguistic tafseer of the bible, you cannot use the english version. There always be problem with translation as a particular word in a language may not have a perfect match as translated into another language. Such as “Mango” in English. There is only one word “Mango” in English to describe more than 20 different “Mangoes” in Indonesia.

Abraham begat Issac, yes, but it was not written as Abraham eternally begat Issac. Be careful with the wording too. Abraham begat Issac can’t be true either as it was not Abraham who gave birth to Issac. It was Sara who did. So, the term beget has a particular mean from the writer. If you keep on reading the holy book literally, you will never find the real meaning, my dear friend. Even when you talk about Quran, your own holy book.

 

[swariffin]

**The Koran is PERFECT and CLEAR, as there is no “God and his Son” mythical issue is there. So leave the Koran alone now.

I am talking about how Church percieved and indulged in an unexplainble concept of God, which amazingly has no roots even in the New Testament and ofcourse not even in the OT.

So from Church standpoint, God (the Father) at some point/time, sent God (Holy Ghost) to Mother of God (Mary) to conceive God (Jesus) to be born as a circumcised Jew.

How many Gods are there now, BTW?

Now who is the father (God) of your God (Jesus)?

And how old is your God(Jesus) now, as of November 2008?

**

Are you ready to put aside your Quran for a while when reading to someone else’s answer? If you keep on holding quran before finish reading, then it will be a waste of time for you. Your Quran and Trinity is not compatible, and I am not going to search any compatibility too.

 

[dzheremi]

The Koran is PERFECT and CLEAR, as there is no “God and his Son” mythical issue is there. So leave the Koran alone now.

I will do no such thing. This thread is “Answering Islam”, not “Muslims distort Christianity (again)”. Besides, this a GOOD thing: Islam and Christianity at least agree on the reality of this one event, if for different reasons!

I am talking about how Church percieved and indulged in an unexplainble concept of God, which amazingly has no roots even in the New Testament and ofcourse not even in the OT.

It does indeed have Biblical roots. See The Catholic Encyclopedia under Proof of Doctrine From Scripture.

So from Church standpoint, God (the Father) at some point/time, sent God (Holy Ghost) to Mother of God (Mary) to conceive God (Jesus) to be born as a circumcised Jew.

God sent His only begotten Son, who was carried and birthed by Mary, yes.

How many Gods are there now, BTW?

One.

Now who is the father (God) of your God (Jesus)?

Jesus Christ Himself, in His post-ressurection conversation with Simon-Peter, says in Matthew 16:17 "“Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (emphasis mine)

We also find in Mark 14:61-62 the following exchange between Jesus and one of the high priests who sought to convict Him of blasphemy: “But he held his peace and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him and said to him: Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed God? 62 And Jesus said to him: I am. And you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God and coming with the clouds of heaven.” (emphasis again mine)

 

[planten]

The Trinity appears to be a greater mystery than we thouhgt. None of you have given any suitable reply to the post of Analyser (Post #127). We are simple people who understand English. We need not go deep into something (Trinity) which is un-explainable.

 

[ralphinal]

The Trinity appears to be a greater mystery than we thouhgt. None of you have given any suitable reply to the post of Analyser (Post #127). We are simple people who understand English. We need not go deep into something (Trinity) which is un-explainable.

You are correct that it is un-exlainable. That does not make it false. That just means that humans do not have the capacity to comprehend it.

Is God limited by what we can understand or does GOd show us what we can understand?

 

[inJESUS]

The Koran is PERFECT and CLEAR, as there is no “God and his Son” mythical issue is there. So leave the Koran alone now.

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[benedictus2]

Are you ready to put aside your Quran for a while when reading to someone else’s answer? If you keep on holding quran before finish reading, then it will be a waste of time for you. Your Quran and Trinity is not compatible, and I am not going to search any compatibility too.

I doubt very much if Analyzer will come to even grasp a smidgen of the concept of the Trinity. We ourselves cannot grasp this because we know that Three Persons in One God is a mystery.

But people like Analyzer have no concept of mystery so no matter how much you explain, he will not get it.

The only concept of God that they know is one limited by their minds. Which really is not God at all.

 

[swariffin]

The Trinity appears to be a greater mystery than we thouhgt. None of you have given any suitable reply to the post of Analyser (Post #127). We are simple people who understand English. We need not go deep into something (Trinity) which is un-explainable.

To a certain extend of human logic, Trinity is explainable. That is why 1.9 billions Christian has no problem with that. Those 1.9 billions (minus the priests, bishops, ministries, and one pope) are guided by those people I mentioned in the bracket. You are required to use all your logic to understand even to what we do understand today. If you keep on using the static Quran, and interpret it literally, there is no way you can get anything.

 

[Reuben_J]

Salaam/peace

Muslims & Christians have so many things in common
some Muslims thought like u & left this forum . Bad for you , though I several times thinking of leaving this forum , somehow came back.

You will not leave this forum. I am very sure of that.

A great Chrsitian saint once said this. " I will not rest, until I rest in you, O Lord".

How true it is. Inside every one of us, that’s include and me, our soul is searching for its maker - God. There is a cry in our soul, which we are unconscious of because of the many lies that we have learned and heard, but nevertheless, our true souls do look for God, because only in God we find solace and greater peace.

You do not understand this thing that I say for now, but unconsciously deep in your heart you are searching. You are exposed to the truth of God here in this forum. No matter how you try to leave you will not, because the deeper needs that is in you want you to be here, and hear and learn more and more about God’s truth. I pray that the seed of God’s word is being planted in you, and in good time by God’s grace you will see it. Please stay on here and learn and listen to God’s truth in Catholicism.