Answering Mormon Objections

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TOmNossor said:
Supposedly unique LDS doctrines have been found in the ECF and at a rate that I believe is beyond coincidence indicating the same divine source for both.
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You keep saying this but I haven’t seen you present evidence to prove it. Either prove it or stop saying it.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
You keep saying this but I haven’t seen you present evidence to prove it. Either prove it or stop saying it.
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Because making the claim is on topic, but having to prove it is off topic.
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TOmNossor:
What was unknown by Joseph Smith and early LDS was how much of our beliefs that are criticized as uniquely LDS or unbiblical would be found in the writings of the ECF.
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AlphaSquirrel:
Hello, and Grace and Peace to you all,

My friend and I are doing research on the Great Apostasy, and I was wondering if any LDS want to bring up evidence for traces of LDS doctrine in the early church for my friend and I to investigate. I won’t argue against any of your evidence. I just would like to know. If you will, I would like you to state the specific teaching, and then cite the evidence so I can look it up. Again, I am not going to argue with you, although I am pretty sure that the other Catholics on here will. Also if anyone has evidence of Seventh-Day Adventistism, Jehovah’s Witnessism, or Protestantism in that time period (as they all claim a sort of Apostasy in that time period as well), then I would be glad to look at it.

Thank you and God bless!

Alphasquirrel
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TOmNossor said:
This is off topic for this thread I think.

You can start a new thread and I should be able to offer a number of things OR you can PM me.
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Stephen168 said:
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman:
You keep saying this but I haven’t seen you present evidence to prove it. Either prove it or stop saying it.
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Because making the claim is on topic, but having to prove it is off topic.
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TOmNossor:
What was unknown by Joseph Smith and early LDS was how much of our beliefs that are criticized as uniquely LDS or unbiblical would be found in the writings of the ECF.
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AlphaSquirrel:
Hello, and Grace and Peace to you all,

My friend and I are doing research on the Great Apostasy, and I was wondering if any LDS want to bring up evidence for traces of LDS doctrine in the early church for my friend and I to investigate. I won’t argue against any of your evidence. I just would like to know. If you will, I would like you to state the specific teaching, and then cite the evidence so I can look it up. Again, I am not going to argue with you, although I am pretty sure that the other Catholics on here will. Also if anyone has evidence of Seventh-Day Adventistism, Jehovah’s Witnessism, or Protestantism in that time period (as they all claim a sort of Apostasy in that time period as well), then I would be glad to look at it.

Thank you and God bless!

Alphasquirrel
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TOmNossor said:
This is off topic for this thread I think.

You can start a new thread and I should be able to offer a number of things OR you can PM me.
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Making the claim is responding to you which would seem would be on topic unless you are penalized for being off topic.
I have started a PM with Alphasquirrel.
If you or Capta(name removed by moderator)rudman or Alphasquirrel want to start a thread for me to support what I think is there, I will. Just start the thread. It will IMO be a very strong LDS apologetic (which is not against the rules here, but I do not intend to start such a thread).
It is quite an undertaking and I might as well do it on the public board rather than in PM, but it will need to be your choice… if you are not scared … taunt, taunt …
Charity, TOm
 
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TOmNossor:
What was unknown by Joseph Smith and early LDS was how much of our beliefs that are criticized as uniquely LDS or unbiblical would be found in the writings of the ECF
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Stephen168 said:
Unique Mormon beliefs were “revealed” by Joseph Smith in the early 19th century, so there is no chance they will be found in the early Church.
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TOmNossor:
I can disagree with absolutely nothing in your post.
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Can not disagree with two opposite claims.
 
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Stephen168 said:
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TOmNossor:
What was unknown by Joseph Smith and early LDS was how much of our beliefs that are criticized as uniquely LDS or unbiblical would be found in the writings of the ECF
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Stephen168 said:
Unique Mormon beliefs were “revealed” by Joseph Smith in the early 19th century, so there is no chance they will be found in the early Church.
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TOmNossor:
I can disagree with absolutely nothing in your post.
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Can not did disagree with two opposite claims.
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I have not idea what you are saying “Can not did disagree with two opposite claims.”
I do not know what that says.

Perhaps you mean there is a contradiction.

That many beliefs are found in the ECF and SOME beliefs are newly revealed is not a contradiction.

Charity, TOm
 
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How about you support your unsubstantiated claims here, in public? It’s not off-topic to provide evidence for a claim you make.
 
In the thread, “The Next Prophet or Spokeman of God,” Tom claimed that the Mormon Melchizedek Priesthood was biblical. He was asked to prove it, but he never did.

He did say that is was obviously in the bible, but with no proof.
He did say that asking a Mormon for evidence is an attack on Mormonism.
He did say he couldn’t prove it.
Then he said the evidence he provided provide it. Of course there was no evidence.
He did say the the Mormon Melchizedek Priest was revealed to Joseph Smith and consistent with the bible; of course he had yet to show it from the bible.
Then he said he could show it from the bible, but……never did.

This thread will end with Tom never able to prove his claim that any of the following were believed by the ECFs:
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-barring blacks from the priesthood

-exaltation

-polygamy

-Melchizedek Priesthood

-excommunicating Apostles

-God was a man

-blood atonement

-water baptism on behalf of the dead

-God was near the star Kolob (as recorded in Mormon scripture translated by Joseph Smith from papyrus which turned out to be an Egyptian funeral text.)
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The early Church was Catholic and never Mormon.
 
Stephen168 said:
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TOmNossor:
SOME
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Putting words on my mouth is sophistry.
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I did not put words in your mouth.
“SOME” was not something I claimed you said.
I claimed you said, “Can not did disagree with two opposite claims.”
I claimed and still claimed that anyone who actually READ what Gazelem and I have been saying would know that what we have been saying was,
“That many beliefs are found in the ECF and SOME beliefs are newly revealed.” Thus your desire to find some contradiction to beat us with has failed.

If you have honestly misread, then fine admit it, but there is no contradiction.

Charity, TOm
 
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gazelam:
Here’s all you need. Enjoy!!
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I got my answer from the Mormon website in January. The Mormon Melchizedek Priesthood was revealed to Joseph Smith. It is not biblical or a belief of the early church fathers according to the Mormon Church.
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Where does The Church of Jesus Christ state:

A) that the Latter-day Saint Melchizedek Priesthood is not Biblical?

B) that the Latter-day Saint Melchizedek Priesthood is not a belief of the early church fathers?

Thanks in advance.
 
Stephen168 said:
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gazelam:
Here’s all you need. Enjoy!!
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I got my answer from the Mormon website in January. The Mormon Melchizedek Priesthood was revealed to Joseph Smith. It is not biblical or a belief of the early church fathers according to the Mormon Church.
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You also received a Catholic priest and a popular Catholic apologist who claimed that the the Catholic priesthood was the “Melchizedek Priesthood.”
Charity, TOm
 
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