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Scottgun
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Yes. Revealing that they have been completely integrated in the secular-progressive matrix. I’m always offering the red pill, but not many takers.
P.S. Yes, I’m aware of the irony of a pop-culture reference.
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P.S. Yes, I’m aware of the irony of a pop-culture reference.
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LotusCarsLtd
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They did, apparently:
dailynebraskan.com/opinion/letter_to_the_editor_indulgences_column_misinformed-1.1374627
I found it in a sidebar.
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aggiecatholic05
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yeah this is one im glad to be wrong on. once again, very good reply, glad its in there.
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fbl9
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you did good:thumbsup:
Only 50 some days,before you can drop the line “i am a heritic”
in all truth unless you previously professed the Catholic faith as true you aren’t really a heritic but only held heritcal beliefs.Which by the grace of God you seeking to erease(sic?)…
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wjp984
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I guess you can get just about anything published nowadays as long as it attacks the Catholic Church since for a guy who is an English major, I would hope he learns to write more elegantly than that.
Actually, that is the only good news though since it is not like he can be taken seriously by anyone educated and for those who do want to take him seriously, they are more educated than him and can do better than he did on their own.
Actually, that is the only good news though since it is not like he can be taken seriously by anyone educated and for those who do want to take him seriously, they are more educated than him and can do better than he did on their own.
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Roy5
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DO WE REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE AFTER-LIFE?
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The editorial may have many errors, but I have some sympathy for the basic drift. What I mean is, how can we honestly quantify as in "5 days indulgence" or whatever?
Frankly, I think Christians go overboard when they begin to talk too specifically about the after-life. I whole-heartedly believe in it, of course, but to pretend to understand it, bally-wash!
My guess - and it's only a guess - is that the after-life is far removed from anything our earthly minds can imagine. This whole business of spending some time being punished in purgatory - hm - sorry, but it sounds hollow to me.
I recall a story of two monks who were good friends but disagreed when it came to heaven. Brother John pictured it as a place where those dwelling there spent eternally singing praises around the throne of God. Brother James, in contrast, said in effect: "That's like what we've been doing down here. When we get to heaven there will be dancing and singing. loads of fun!" They finally decided to stop arguing, but the first one to die would return and then they would know which one was right.
Brother John eventually died, and the very next night, as promised, he came to Brother James in a dream. Brother James, he said, we both were wrong. But I can't describe this place to you. It's totally different from what the finite mind can comprehend. But no reason to fear. You'll like it.
My guess is that that's the way it will be, and we should just stop silly speculation and leave it all in the hands of our loving God and Savior.
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Katrina5
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GREAT! Is the I am a heretic an inside joke or something? (Maybe from AA…) Very well stated. Are you in pre-med? We need brilliant young minds like yours.
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Katrina5
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I think if we really, really knew “what eye has not seen, nor ear heard” we would not have to stand the tests that we are subjected to.
If there is no afterlife, then do whatever you want. If there is still some guilt there, then yes, we should have some purification process so that we are beautiful as we stand before God.
I guess when people compare Hell/Heaven etc to our Earthly Justice System, the thinking gets off-kilter. Purgatory isn’t a Parole System.
But there are people (Wall Street comes to mind) who may not know they are doing wrong, but if they do, and they get away from it, they need to be purified.
Fire is an old purification method…or so I’m told.
As for the “numbers”, no we don’t know. Think of the workers in the vineyard, or the good thief next to Jesus as he hung on the cross.
And think of “…pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.”
Death is the crossroads.
I’m not getting hung up on indulgences. I do think there has been some good discussion going on here, though, and that is always welcome. I like to think, it makes my brain ‘better.’
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cthulhubryan
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Nope, I am a protestant and that is why it is there. I am in the ‘B’ RCIA classes and we do not swim until Pentecost.
I was pre-med years ago before life intervened. I took the mcat several years ago and was accepted but made the decision that not graduating until I was 41 and missing those years of the kids growing up was not worth it. I look back now and I can say I would have missed a LOT that I couldn’t get back.
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cthulhubryan
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More than 50. I started in February and we do not swim until Pentecost. But considering I’ve been wanting to come home for so long another few weeks is nothing.
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quaestio
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To the right of the article is a link to another one titled, “Abstinence unsuitable for college students.”
The excerpt below gives an important glimpse into the mind of a university student:
**Abstinence goes against human nature. We are merely animals. The wiring in our brains tells us to get down and often!
Believe in God if you will. Believe you are here for some greater purpose and that you’ll contribute to society in some profound way. But that’s bull****. We are here to do what makes us feel good.**
The excerpt below gives an important glimpse into the mind of a university student:
**Abstinence goes against human nature. We are merely animals. The wiring in our brains tells us to get down and often!
Believe in God if you will. Believe you are here for some greater purpose and that you’ll contribute to society in some profound way. But that’s bull****. We are here to do what makes us feel good.**
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Linda_Marie
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In the early Church and up until relatively recently, the penances given for grave sin were long and arduous. A person might be given a penance of fasting for 3 months or going on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land, which could take years. When an indulgence is granted, the indulgence is in place of the penance so if the indulgence granted was for 5 days and your confessor gave you a penance of fasting for 10 days, your fasting time is reduced by 5 days. It is not so many days off time in Purgatory after you die, but equal to so many days spent performing penance now, in this life.
Indulgences are no longer determined in days or years but are either partial or plenary. Previous grants of indulgences have been revoked so those prayers that have so many days indulgence on them are no longer indulgenced unless they are listed in the Enchiridion. Only those prayers or actions listed in the Enchiridion of Indulgences are still enriched with indulgences. Please do take some time to read this document.
Indulgences do more than just deal with penance but with keeping our hearts and minds on Christ and living the Gospel.
Purgatory is more properly understood as a process in which we are purged of any remaining attachment to sin we may have before we can enter heaven. Most Protestants have the same belief that we are not perfect in this life but will be made perfect somehow before we enter Heaven. Catholics call this perfecting process Purgatory.
From the newspaper article quoted:
Vatican II made no changes to doctrine. It made changes to discipline which is another thing altogether. If ‘indulgences were all but erased’ in 1962, why was this Enchiridion first issued in 1968?
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