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MaryT777
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It’s sad to think of something as such and so oppressive and abusive done in the name of Christianity and the Bible.
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Blessedwithfive
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Once again, people can interpret the Bible to say anything. I will pray for all those children wives and misguided husbands.
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CruxMihiAncora
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“I was in a close, personal relationship with Jesus for over 25 years… You see, being in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a set up for dysfunctional game-playing and crazy-making head trips. According to Christianity, Jesus subjected himself to torture and death, so that we could have the “free gift” of eternal life … and by “free,” he means, it’s only going to cost you everything you have and everything you are.”
So heartbreaking that this woman spent so many misguided years. It’s obvious she missed the whole point of Jesus’ message of love.
Her claim that she was in an abusive marriage is reprehensible! She obviously regrets the life she chose of being a homemaker, rather than persuing a career and resents her husband for it. This article trivializes real abuse. A real victim of abuse knows they are in an abusive relationship, even though they may try to make excuses for the abuser.
It’s a shame that she and others like her blame our Lord for their unhappiness, instead of the fanatical beliefs that lead them there.
Jesus wishes to fill our lives with love, not misery.
So heartbreaking that this woman spent so many misguided years. It’s obvious she missed the whole point of Jesus’ message of love.
Her claim that she was in an abusive marriage is reprehensible! She obviously regrets the life she chose of being a homemaker, rather than persuing a career and resents her husband for it. This article trivializes real abuse. A real victim of abuse knows they are in an abusive relationship, even though they may try to make excuses for the abuser.
It’s a shame that she and others like her blame our Lord for their unhappiness, instead of the fanatical beliefs that lead them there.
Jesus wishes to fill our lives with love, not misery.
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Stilldreamn
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I think this family really went off the rails with the home-churching thing - it is awfully easy to become misled when you self-interpret the scriptures. But she sounds really bitter about not completing her education, birth control, etc - all of this plays well with the audience she was addressing - American Atheists. As she says, her “primary break up was with Jesus.”
It is really a pity that they weren’t able to receive spiritual direction and counseling from a pastor or priest.
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Catholic_farmer
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I think the denominations that declare every man to be a priest in his own home are setting up those families where there is potential for abuse. There is a difference between what is said in the bible and taking it to the extreme. Quiverfull is enabling abusers. Some families may function fine, but they risk making their daughters extremely vulnerable to abuse. There are far too many imperfect humans to allow one sex to be an absolute dictator of the home.
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Kliska
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Quiverfullers are an extremely legalistic subset of protestants that are actually non-denominational, but tend to gravitate toward Baptist churches. They are also heavily influenced by, or direct participants in, the “patriarchy” belief. They take the OT’s view on men as being over and in charge of the whole family, including adult daughters, and that daughters shouldn’t do things like go to college, or hold a job outside of the house if married. They believe in zero family planning, no nfp or abstaining, so they tend to have lots and lots of kids.
As for the article… it’s extraordinarily sad that someone would write about Jesus the way that she did. Many people teach many things in the name of Jesus that are not true, but we also have personal responsibility to understand why we believe what we do, and to double check things for ourselves. To blame Jesus for our own lack of knowledge, or our misunderstandings, or our own choices, is not taking responsibility for ourselves. In short; my thoughts are to pray for her.
As for the article… it’s extraordinarily sad that someone would write about Jesus the way that she did. Many people teach many things in the name of Jesus that are not true, but we also have personal responsibility to understand why we believe what we do, and to double check things for ourselves. To blame Jesus for our own lack of knowledge, or our misunderstandings, or our own choices, is not taking responsibility for ourselves. In short; my thoughts are to pray for her.
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Fiorella
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I think that “19 Kids and Counting” represents an excellent and refreshing alternative to the horrible violence, vulgarity, and sexually sinful nonsense that is normally presented to people via television, books and movies. Their beautiful family who are taught by their Mom and Dad (Michelle and Jim Bob) to remain pure until marriage, to not use artificial contraception, to be against abortion and to praise and love Jesus Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit have been an incredible inspiration to me. I am a cradle Catholic who agrees with the Duggars on all of these issues. I know that the Duggars have supported Rick Santorum and agree with Catholics on many issues. I have found their worship services to be full of God’s love, but to have been of course, devoid of the fullness of Truth. They do not have Jesus Christ present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. They do not have the Sacraments or the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The Catholic Mass and Sacraments are quite true to Scripture, as is Purgatory, the Saints, the Immaculate Conception and the Perpetual Virginity of Mary the Mother of God. God did not totally end revelation in the third century or so when the books of the Bible were pulled together, and thus Catholics also have Tradition as revealed by God in increments in the ensuing centuries, Jesus never said that the third century Bible was the end of Revelation! Ben Seewald is a well meaning yet grossly uniformed and immature Christian. He is parroting the rants of many anti-Catholic arguments which have been argued and preached down through the ages. As the others, he only hates the Catholic Church for what he thinks it teaches, not for what it actually does teach. I truly feel that the Duggars are very good people, and I do not know whether or not they are actually anti-Catholic themselves. They have been very careful not to comment on this issue or ever to publicly announce an anti-Catholic point of view. I pray for the Duggars and for Ben Seewald, that God will lead them all to the fullness of Truth in the Catholic Faith. In any case, their Salvation, as the Salvation of all, will be THROUGH the Catholic Church, whether or not they actually convert prior to death. I do think too, that they should put the brakes on the Jessa and Ben marriage scheduled to take place on November 1. Ben is too young, foolish, out spoken, uneducated and unaware of what he is getting himself into. Taking on the responsibilities of a wife and family at the tender age of just nineteen years is too much for a young man without an education, career path, plan for the future and economic resources. Maybe Jessa could be mature enough to marry at age 21 if she were marrying an established man who was capable of supporting a family.
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Midwest88
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Bruised Reed: -10
Playing the “charitable” card … “So today I woke up, went on CAF and saw such uncharitable responses in this one thread, gosh those darn Catholics!”
Get over yourself (and your sig).
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Fiorella
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Bruised Reed:
I was trying to be as charitable as possible towards Ben Seewald and the Duggars given his anti-Catholic rant. His rant may have led many astray. I was simply trying on this forum, to give him a response in charity and truth. Truthfully, the Duggars should not let this young man marry their daughter. A little discernment and prayer is called for on their part in this situation. God bless you, Bruised Reed. I am trying to be charitable to you too.
I was trying to be as charitable as possible towards Ben Seewald and the Duggars given his anti-Catholic rant. His rant may have led many astray. I was simply trying on this forum, to give him a response in charity and truth. Truthfully, the Duggars should not let this young man marry their daughter. A little discernment and prayer is called for on their part in this situation. God bless you, Bruised Reed. I am trying to be charitable to you too.
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Fiorella
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Correction:
My last post was in response to what Midwest 88
posted; not what Bruised Reed posted.
My last post was in response to what Midwest 88
posted; not what Bruised Reed posted.
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Asorder
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I recently discovered the duggars and at first I thought they were going to be some sort of crazy fanatics. But I was surprised to see they are actually nice people, good Christians and stuff,just not my style. So I googled them to se what they thought of Catholics, and all that appear was this quite disrespctful and ignorant post.
And that is what bothers me. The ignorance of it all.
Despite his education level or whatever he could’ve asked this catholic people he claims to know or have it better explained by a priest, nun, deacon or whomever, he doesn’t live in Mars, I bet he could’ve find one. Even if he couldn’t; the web is fillled with catholic basic theology, and just 15 minutes of hs time to google why catholic believe stuff, I don’t think is much to ask.
He might even got surprise on how for the Holy Mother Church is up for ecumenism, I remember seeing recently in the pope app, an interview with a Baptist observer of the synod, and if I believe correctly the Duggars (and I assume their in-laws) are Baptist,
On his behalf he is very very young, maybe just maybe he just doesn’t have the experience or wisdom.
And that is what bothers me. The ignorance of it all.
Despite his education level or whatever he could’ve asked this catholic people he claims to know or have it better explained by a priest, nun, deacon or whomever, he doesn’t live in Mars, I bet he could’ve find one. Even if he couldn’t; the web is fillled with catholic basic theology, and just 15 minutes of hs time to google why catholic believe stuff, I don’t think is much to ask.
He might even got surprise on how for the Holy Mother Church is up for ecumenism, I remember seeing recently in the pope app, an interview with a Baptist observer of the synod, and if I believe correctly the Duggars (and I assume their in-laws) are Baptist,
On his behalf he is very very young, maybe just maybe he just doesn’t have the experience or wisdom.
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David_Steel
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I agree. Compared to the swill that is spewed on TV on a daily basis, this show is refreshing and has many redeeming qualities. He is obviously parroting remarks of his pastor, or his parents. Misguided, but compared to what is coming out of certain ranks of the current Catholic media, his comments are juvenile and not all that offensive in my opinion.
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Seeker2013
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I suppose we could get upset about this person’s opinions about the RCC. I don’t think that he matters enough to be concerned about his Facebook rantings. I understand that he might have a bigger following than I recognize. I don’t find “reality” shows interesting because they are actually scripted, so I could be underestimating his importance.
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schaeffer
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I can guarantee that some of them are. I worked in a place where a few reality stars came through for their shows. We had to rope off part of the restaurant, Choose which people they wanted sitting at a table near them, then they pretended to be sitting down to a meal. It was a sandwich with some bites taken out of them (not by the stars themselves) while the mother fussed at the son about not eating his sandwich…etc etc.
Reality?
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rbarcia
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Only Catholics can point to teachings they disagree with. If a Catholic says that a Protestant has an incomplete faith, is that Anti-protestant bashing?
There was nothing offensive about the post. Can people not freely state their disagreement with doctrine. He did not insult any person.
There was nothing offensive about the post. Can people not freely state their disagreement with doctrine. He did not insult any person.
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jlhargus
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Geo if you would share those things on which you think the Church has deviated from the Bible I would be happy to discuss those issues with you. Hopefully we can dispel those misconceptions. Why just hang on when Christ sent one visible fellowship, one Church, the pillar and ground of truth, with a teaching authority which he promised to lead into all truth. Infallible truth, not hit and miss guess truth.
[1Tm3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is **the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.]
[Jn16:13 Howbeit when he, **the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.]
[Mt28:16 Then **the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.] Those men would not be on earth till the end but their successors will be till the end. Those sent by the apostles by laying on of hands in turn sent others by laying on of hands and will continue till the end through the Sacrament of Holy Orders (ordination).
[Acts2:41 Then **they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.]
What did they continue in? The Church, one fellowship, one doctrine, one worship mass=breaking of bread and prayers=liturgy.
Have you ever been to Washington DC aren’t there statues all over the place? Why, because they represent heros of the country. Statues in the Church represent Christian heros. We might kneel down in front of a statue and ask that saint it represents to pray for us. But we never worship or pray to a statue any more than a visitor to a war memorial who knells down praying at a war memorial is worshiping or praying to a statue of a war hero.
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jlhargus
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We have in the tabernacle something far better than a statue. We have Christ truly present. On the main altar, the focal point of every Catholic Church, Christ is again not only made present to us that we may eat from the tree of life the cross. But the sacrifice of the cross is made present to us and to the Father a living memorial sacrifice.
[Malachi1:11 For **from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.] Animal offerings had to be clean but there is only one pure Lamb of God the Gentiles offer in every place, Christ. Malachi’s prophecy is fulfulled in the Catholic Church in the sacrifice of the mass offered daily in parishes around the world from the rising to the going down of the sun. The Orthodox have the same offering. Through a ministerial priest who acts on behalf of the general priesthood of the assemble.
[Rv5:6 **And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.]
[Hb7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18-23 … 24 But this man , because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them**.]
[Hb8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer**. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.]
Hb9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now** to appear in the presence of God for us**:]
Christ isn’t just watching events. He is our High Priest interceding for us with the Father exercising his unique mediatorship. Making that once done sacrifice of the cross present to the Father and us, as a Lamb slain, at Mass that we might eat our Passover Lamb, the Bread of Life.
Jn6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed
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jlhargus
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Fatima has been approved and several popes have been there. Pope John Paul II beatified two of the three children who saw the visions, Francisco and Jacinta and the third Lucia was present ( I was also) at the beatification. Lucia was 93 years old. I have know doubt, through the prayers of Our Lady of Fatima, I was lead into the Catholic Church from a Protestant non-denomination.
I would say Mary was in heaven when John wrote Revelation.
[1Tm2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the **man Christ Jesus;]
[Rv12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a **woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:]
[1Tm2:5& Rv12:1, implies there are at least **two Human Beings bodily in heaven.] A human being is both body and soul (spirit). A body alone is a corps not a human being. A spirit or soul alone is a disembodied spirit and isn’t a human being.
[1Tm3:15 reveals a **man=human being body and soul Christ whom we know ascended body and soul into heaven. Rv12:1 reveals a woman=human being which would be body and soul. All other scriptures mention only spirits or souls of human beings in heaven.
[Rv6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the **souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:]
The following scriptures tell us of the souls (spirits) of human beings in heaven.
[Hb12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the **spirits of just men made perfect,]
Mary was assumed into heaven she didn’t ascend, as some mistakenly think. Only Christ ascended, of his own power into heaven. Mary being assumed, body and soul, by our Lord, into heaven is not unique. Scripture tells us Enoch and Elijah were taken bodily from the earth. Mary’s assumption is not explicit, but is implicit in scripture, just as the Trinity is implicit and not explicit.
[Rv11:19 And **the temple of God was opened in heaven and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament and there were lightnings and voices and thunderings and an earthquake and great hail. [Rv12:1 **And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.]
John first sees, in heaven, the ark then he describes it, as a woman clothed with the sun, moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars.]
Mary’s glorified body is described from head to feet, in heaven. We see, when the temple was opened in heaven, the woman, the Ark of the New Covenant, clothed with the sun, moon under her feet and a crown on her head. The Temple of God is the Church in heaven which is opened and John saw the Ark of the Covenant. After the lightnings, voices, thunder, earthquaks and hail. John saw a great wonder a woman. the woman of Gn3:15, Rev12:1 the one Christ always addresses as woman, Mary.
According to scripture Elijah and Enoch were taken up.
[2Kgs2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and **Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.]
[Hb11:5 **By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.]
[MT 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the **graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.]
I find it hard to believe these saints, who were bodily raised after Christ’s resurrection, would not have been raised with glorified bodies. And assumed into heaven, when Christ ascended. Would the Lord have raised them only to send their bodies back to the grave to decay again? There is no evidence of them living, dying and being buried again.
Amen.
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Bklynguy
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Lol! I love how he says, “Where [Catholics] depart from the Scripture…” The Catholics COMPILED the Bible you fool! You Evangelicals (Christians come lately) wouldn’t have the Bible without the Catholic Church.
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Country_Gal
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There are many people who disagree with the Catholic Church. This fellow just so happens to be dating a young lady who is on reality TV show, a ridiculous cultural phenomena in my opinion.
I’ll be the Duggar family agrees. Many conservative Protestant groups have a doctrinal and cultural dislike of Catholicism, especially in the South. The Duggars are wise enough to keep their mouths shut, though, since their views might lose them Catholic viewers and that stupid show and their multitude of kids is their cash cow.
I’ll be the Duggar family agrees. Many conservative Protestant groups have a doctrinal and cultural dislike of Catholicism, especially in the South. The Duggars are wise enough to keep their mouths shut, though, since their views might lose them Catholic viewers and that stupid show and their multitude of kids is their cash cow.
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