Anti-Catholic: Harvest Bible Chapel

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manualman said:
dronald,

Honestly now, how many catholics have you met who have alienated their family be labeling them apostates and heretics? Insulted their friends by telling them that their pastor is the “whore of Babylon?” Go door to door looking for protestants who will listen to their harangue about how their apostate faith is leading them to hell?

Books like the one you cite do indeed critique logical and factual problems within evangelical protestant theology and practice, but it is generally a response to the overt militancy of evangelicals against catholics that these products are necessary in order to equip catholics to be ready for the sorts of charges we routinely encounter out there among protestant Christians. It’s not remotely isolated incidents, it’s constant!

Your point is well taken that catholics criticize protestantism too, but one cannot honestly equate the severity of the two problems.
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For the most part Catholics are very quiet about their Faith; you’re right. It was so hard for me as a young Evangelical to know what they believed because they would never talk to me about it. So your question; “How many Catholics have shared their Faith with you?” None. Zero. Not one. As I was on the road to becoming a Catholic I prayed and prayed for Catholic friends, Catholic groups, Catholic whatever and I got nothing.

Also, you gotta admit that Catholics were quite zealous about Christians remaining Catholic in the middle ages. So much they’d kill you for it… Now we all just kinda argue and the Catholics don’t say much.
 
manualman said:
dronald,

Honestly now, how many catholics have you met who have alienated their family be labeling them apostates and heretics? Insulted their friends by telling them that their pastor is the “whore of Babylon?” Go door to door looking for protestants who will listen to their harangue about how their apostate faith is leading them to hell?

Books like the one you cite do indeed critique logical and factual problems within evangelical protestant theology and practice, but it is generally a response to the overt militancy of evangelicals against catholics that these products are necessary in order to equip catholics to be ready for the sorts of charges we routinely encounter out there among protestant Christians. It’s not remotely isolated incidents, it’s constant!

Your point is well taken that catholics criticize protestantism too, but one cannot honestly equate the severity of the two problems.
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Not to mention, they are not criticizing their fellow protestants who believe the same thing! I’ve heard again and again about those apostate Papist - never heard about Anglicans, Lutherans, and Methodists, nor about some or all of them being ok with Mary, purgatory, infant baptism, etc…!
 
Church_Militant said:
[Yeah, but we generally don’t hold classes designed to target anyone else and that excellent book is written in response to (as are most all Catholic apologetics) the host of individuals who are propagating these targeted “classes”, books and DVDs.[/COLOR]
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Harvest Bible Chapel has classes for everything each day. They want Church to be a daily routine and not a weekly one.

They have Youth groups, young adult groups, senior groups, men’s groups, women’s groups, unexpected pregnancy groups, alcoholic groups, small groups once a week, church wide prayer once a month, Evangelism classes, 3-4 messages on weekends… They have so much.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Not to mention, they are not criticizing their fellow protestants who believe the same thing! I’ve heard again and again about those apostate Papist - never heard about Anglicans, Lutherans, and Methodists, nor about some or all of them being ok with Mary, purgatory, infant baptism, etc…!
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Catholics are the same to be honest. Lately they focus on the “born again” group and not the Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc.
 
dronald said:
For the most part Catholics are very quiet about their Faith; you’re right. It was so hard for me as a young Evangelical to know what they believed because they would never talk to me about it. So your question; “How many Catholics have shared their Faith with you?” None. Zero. Not one.
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You are on a message board with hundreds, if not thousands. I’d say you need to recount.
As I was on the road to becoming a Catholic I prayed and prayed for Catholic friends, Catholic groups, Catholic whatever and I got nothing.
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Here’s the problem, you can pray all day and not do anything to make it happen. Faith alone vs. Faith and action.
Also, you gotta admit that Catholics were quite zealous about Christians remaining Catholic in the middle ages. So much they’d kill you for it… Now we all just kinda argue and the Catholics don’t say much.
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What do you want Catholics to say? There’s an infinite amount of material from 2000yrs to sort through, if you are really interested, most of it available online and in books.
 
dronald said:
Catholics are the same to be honest. Lately they focus on the “born again” group and not the Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc.
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Pope Benedict recently told Anglicans about True Ecumenism. See the Anglican Ordinariate.
For Lutherans. See Above.

Orthodox, well, we already mostly accept the Orthodox as Catholics with a difference of opinion on the Pope.
 
SyroMalankara said:
You are on a message board with hundreds, if not thousands. I’d say you need to recount.
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Sorry, I’m speaking of every day life. In all my days I’ve never had a Catholic try to share his faith. Some days when sitting on a park bench a Christian will approach me, never Catholic. Sometimes at work, a Christian will speak about something God has done in his life, never Catholic though.
SyroMalankara said:
Here’s the problem, you can pray all day and not do anything to make it happen. Faith alone vs. Faith and action.
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As if you have any clue what sort of steps I’ve taken. Trust me, I tried; you have no idea.
SyroMalankara said:
What do you want Catholics to say? There’s an infinite amount of material from 2000yrs to sort through, if you are really interested, most of it available online and in books.
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I’m saying there’s wackos in every group and everyone’s guilty.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Pope Benedict recently told Anglicans about True Ecumenism. See the Anglican Ordinariate.
For Lutherans. See Above.

Orthodox, well, we already mostly accept the Orthodox as Catholics with a difference of opinion on the Pope.
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Yes, it’s the same with Evangelicals. Some question Lutheran practices, some don’t.
 
dronald said:
Sorry, I’m speaking of every day life. In all my days I’ve never had a Catholic try to share his faith. Some days when sitting on a park bench a Christian will approach me, never Catholic. Sometimes at work, a Christian will speak about something God has done in his life, never Catholic though.
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I don’t approach a dude sitting on a park bench or someone at work because to me that constitutes harassment in many circumstances.
As if you have any clue what sort of steps I’ve taken. Trust me, I tried; you have no idea.
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But every protestant group has been nothing but gold?
I’m saying there’s wackos in every group and everyone’s guilty.
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Some groups tend to promote more wack than others. Apparently the Catholic wackos are silent and mind their own business too much.
 
dronald said:
Yes, it’s the same with Evangelicals. Some question Lutheran practices, some don’t.
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Show me a mega-church/Harvest/non-denominational with classes called “Biblical Answers for Presbyterians”, and “Biblical Refutations of Lutheran Doctrine”… I’m hunting up and down for the next “Biblical Answer to Anglican Questions”… :rolleyes:
 
SyroMalankara said:
I don’t approach a dude sitting on a park bench or someone at work because to me that constitutes harassment in many circumstances.
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Well that’s you.
SyroMalankara said:
But every protestant group has been nothing but gold?
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What? No.
SyroMalankara said:
Some groups tend to promote more wack than others. Apparently the Catholic wackos are silent and mind their own business too much.
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Apparently. They used to burn people at the stake, as did Protestants. Wackos everywhere.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Show me a mega-church/Harvest/non-denominational with classes called “Biblical Answers for Presbyterians”, and “Biblical Refutations of Lutheran Doctrine”… I’m hunting up and down for the next “Biblical Answer to Anglican Questions”… :rolleyes:
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Harvest will have independent classes on Baptism, communion, etc. I suppose all I can do is read the book in question and see what’s inside.
 
Haha, I’ll add actually; ironically Harvest sells the book “Luther, here I stand.”
 
I don’t think there’s anything especially sinister about this non-denominational denomination wanting to convert others to their denomination. However, I also find irony in their hypocritical thought process that ideas like sacraments, purgatory, the communion of saints, etc are “error” when believed by a Catholic, but acceptable when believed by a “saved person”. It does make it seem that the issue is with belonging to the Church, not what the Church teaches. However, I suspect that is giving these folks too much credit anyway. They could be completely unaware of the fact that there are other Christians besides Catholics who believe those things.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Thanks, but that guy is just a nut… he isn’t a pastor, representing a church, nor is he Mega/non-denominational… is he??:eek:
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Well, he claims his is a ministry. That said, yes, he is a nut. 😛
But he hates Lutheranism, which qualifies for your challenge, doesn’t it? :D.

Jon
 
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