Anti-Catholicism and patriotism

[Crescentinus]

Arguemnt from emotion, with no proof given to back it up. Look them in the eyes and demand they give one example of “evil” friars. If they aer actually able to, point out to them that this is the Composition-Division fallacy, and that is it horribly illogical and proves nothing. (The actions of a small minority of a group cannot be applied as a defining feature of the overall group)

Again, proof. I guarantee they won’t have any logical proof for this one, so I’ll ignore it.

This one is so stupid, I don’t know where to begin… there’s no other word for it, it’s STUPID. It show a definite lack of general and basic knowledge about not only the Church, but history, politics, economic theory, etc. By saying that, because it is from somewhere else, it is evil, they are vilifying basically everything they have. Their nation is not self-sufficient, and therefore require assistance form other countries, including Spain, as it is part of the global economic system. If their problem is that they think it came specifically from Spain, kindly point out to them that Catholicism has been around longer than Spain has been Spain… If that doesn’t shut them up then just walk away, because they’ve decided to detach themselves from reality and won’t listen to anything you say anyways.

In the case of #1, they would generally use the fictional Padre Damaso from the Noli me Tangere of Dr. Jose Rizal without even understanding the character in question. Hence, we have people like Celdran who dress up in a Rizal outfit and scream the name “Damaso” at Catholics. For them, the idea that the exception proves the rule is drivel.

In the case of #2, they will point to anything Catholic, from church buildings to Catholic weddings. They will wield the “separation of church and state canard” as their main bludgeon, but they do not use it in cases where the politicians tend to gain support from non-Catholic religious leaders (cue the Manalo dynasty, rulers of the Iglesia ni Cristo since it’s founding in 1914 among a few others)

In the case of #3, they will ignore me if I tell them that the Catholic Church is not founded by Spain but by God. Here, the religious anti-Catholics would use the Bible in their eisegesis a little more than their anti-religious counterparts.

 

[choliks]

The sad part is, I know that many in my generation and the one that followed it tend to actually believe in those arguments. For instance, I have seen some of the “elite” (in other words, well-known) cosplayers here in Manila who believe out of a sense of patriotism mixed in with the belief in going countercultural, that anti-Catholicism is the belief system that they’ll follow and preach to the point of sheer recklessness.
In the case of #1, there have been cases of evil friars, but there are also good friars. For them to go for that line of thinking is indeed caused by a poor understanding of Catholicism and a blind adherence to the anti-clericalism that some of Philippine Revolutionary heroes from the late 19th century Philippines (like Dr. Jose Rizal and Andres Bonifacio) followed. For them, looking at history akin to Biblical eisegesis is seemingly mandatory. The sad part is, I am fearful that if I defend Catholicism in my Philippine History class, I would fail the subject.

What kind of History class is that? It’s so biased that it ignores facts.

could you PM me your school?

 

[Crescentinus]

What kind of History class is that? It’s so biased that it ignores facts.

could you PM me your school?

I am more afraid of my classmates than of my professor because I have a sneaking suspicion that some of them are probably anti-Catholic.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

In the case of #1, they would generally use the fictional Padre Damaso from the Noli me Tangere of Dr. Jose Rizal without even understanding the character in question. Hence, we have people like Celdran who dress up in a Rizal outfit and scream the name “Damaso” at Catholics. For them, the idea that the exception proves the rule is drivel.

In the case of #2, they will point to anything Catholic, from church buildings to Catholic weddings. They will wield the “separation of church and state canard” as their main bludgeon, but they do not use it in cases where the politicians tend to gain support from non-Catholic religious leaders (cue the Manalo dynasty, rulers of the Iglesia ni Cristo since it’s founding in 1914 among a few others)

In the case of #3, they will ignore me if I tell them that the Catholic Church is not founded by Spain but by God. Here, the religious anti-Catholics would use the Bible in their eisegesis a little more than their anti-religious counterparts.

This hurt my brain to the extent that I can’t even explain… are your fellow countrymen really that stupid? Man, I knew education was a problem in the US, but Dear God! Lord please help those poor idiots…

 

[choliks]

I am more afraid of my classmates than of my professor because I have a sneaking suspicion that some of them are probably anti-Catholic.

Sosmaryosep! Ignore them spoony. They’re just as harmless as warm air coming feom the rear of airconditioning units. Just show them what a Catholic really is with who you are and with your actions.

 

[AV1]

This hurt my brain to the extent that I can’t even explain… are your fellow countrymen really that stupid? Man, I knew education was a problem in the US, but Dear God! Lord please help those poor idiots…

Face to palm! Amen!

 

[ThatOrthodoxGuy]

I thought the Philippines are manily Catholic?

 

[Crescentinus]

This hurt my brain to the extent that I can’t even explain… are your fellow countrymen really that stupid? Man, I knew education was a problem in the US, but Dear God! Lord please help those poor idiots…

The scary part is, they’re not trolling when they say that. I think that some of them at least have decided to forsake reason in the name of being countercultural.

 

[Crescentinus]

I thought the Philippines are manily Catholic?

It is. But, there’s also a lot of anti-Catholics in certain circles here in Manila at times.

 

[Holly3278]

I love the United States and I am a devout Catholic. I don’t love our federal government at this time since it is controlled by Obama and other liberals who want to shove an immoral agenda down our throat like that of the HHS Contraceptive Mandate, gay “marriage”, and abortion.

 

[Crescentinus]

Sosmaryosep! Ignore them spoony. They’re just as harmless as warm air coming feom the rear of airconditioning units. Just show them what a Catholic really is with who you are and with your actions.

I know. Hence me being somewhat withdrawn within the Filipino Vocaloid fanbase by supporting SF-A2 Miki instead of the mainstream Vocaloids, somewhat lurking in the cosplaying community and trying to survive the failure in the anime fanbase by going for really good anime that most are not that familiar with (like Ah! My Goddess).

 

[choliks]

This hurt my brain to the extent that I can’t even explain… are your fellow countrymen really that stupid? Man, I knew education was a problem in the US, but Dear God! Lord please help those poor idiots…

Sad and it hurts, because I’m a Filipino, but its true.

 

[choliks]

I thought the Philippines are manily Catholic?

That’s true. But the American colonization of our country brought in a lot of free radicals too.

 

[Crescentinus]

That’s true. But the American colonization of our country brought in a lot of free radicals too.

Some Catholic facts from the turn of the 20th century.
There was a rush of American Protestant evangelists during and after the Philippine-American War. It caused the Pope to ask for missionaries to be sent to the Philippines.

Before Felix Y. Manalo founded the Iglesia ni Cristo in 1914, he was a Seventh-Day Adventist.

 

[Crescentinus]

Your question reminds me of the rise of the KKK in America in the 1920’s. During that particular generation of the Klan, the focus was directed heavily against Catholics–particularly the Irish and Italian Catholic immigrants. It was believed that, because Catholics claim loyalty to the Pope (rather than the president), they were unpatriotic. Anti-American. A threat to society. This actually was the topic of my thesis while in University–It’s some really interesting stuff!

The same is true with the Know-Nothing Party decades before the 2nd KKK (circa 1830’s-1860’s), and the Kulturkampf in the German Empire. In all three cases, Catholics were treated as unpatriotic seeing as Catholics claim loyalty to the Pope rather than the head of state.