Anti-Catholicism

[rinnie]

And for the Grand Daddy of them all.

John 21

Peter do you love me. Feed my Sheep. Second time Tend my Sheep. third time feed my sheep.

Is Jesus not the great Shepherd, did he not ask Peter to stand in for him? IF he didn’t what does this scripture mean. Why did he ask Peter to feed his sheep? 3 times at that.

Peter did deny Jesus 3 times also. ANd did Jesus not tell Peter 3 times I forgive you, and you are still the leader of the Sheep?

 

[1beleevr]

rinnie: Okay, girl, you have made your point May the Lord of All Heaven’s Armies, richly bless you and your fellow catholics, as you continue in your confession to priests! This issue, like many others has become a moot point, and it appears we have hit a brick wall! You have provided a ton of scripture, some of which is clear, and others that are, shall we say, left up for interpretation. You never did answer the question,"Who is the He, in 1John 1:9? Is is God? Or a priest? who are the "one another to whom we should confess our sins; you and I, or a priest? Listen sweetie, I never have and I won’t start now, tell you how to worship, when to worship, what music to listen to or whether or not to wear a cross with a corpus on it! We have differences, but because of the grace of God, we are able to look past these and love each other, because we are children of God! I do not hate catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons,or any other religion, or people. I may come across that way; but I think it may be more that I am obstinate, and stubborn But I will defend the Cross until the day I see my Saviour face-to-face:thumbsup:

 

[Drawmack]

People never like the Truth. Also, especially as it relates to Protestants, they hate that they might actually have to acknowledge someone else’s authority besides their own. Instead of their Sola Scriptura ‘I’ll-do-whatever-the-Hell-I-wanna-and-you-have-no-authority-to-tell-me-otherwise’ mentality, they will have to humble themselves before the Church and obey its doctrines and disciplines.

It is very hard to remain neutral when confronted with the Truth. Protestants either have to recognize that their ecclesial communities were founded on lies and half-truths and that they have been indoctrinated with junk theology and reject it all in favor of the True Church or they can vehemently reject the True Church and return like a dog to its vomit.

Congratulations and welcome to the True Church, that Barque of St. Peter which is their to carry you safely–with your cooperation of course–to Heaven. Remember that the Church and the Saints who are now enjoying the Beatific Vision want us all there with them. Ask for their help, for their prayers, especially from Mother Mary. Find a good Confessor and receive the Sacraments of Communion and Reconciliation often.

Because Protestants realize deep down they cannot stand against the True Church. After all, we have history, logic and the Scriptures on our side. Protestants only have their incorrect interpretations (even according to each other…get an argument going between an Arminian and a Calvinist or a Free Gracer and Lordship Salvationer going…you’ll see what I mean) going for them.

1. Catholicism is by far the largest grouping among Christians (~1.2 billion)
2. Remember that hatred for Catholicism is Protestantism’s single unifying doctrine. They cannot agree on the nature of Christ/God, they cannot agree on Soteriology, they cannot agree on how to interpret Scripture, but they can all agree, whether Baptist, Presbyterian, Anglican, Methodist, Non-Denominational, Pentecostal, etc…they can all agree the Catholic Church is wrong.

I feel for you, I really do, but just remember you are making the right decision in becoming Catholic, you are joining the True Church and you are now going to have ~1.2 billion brothers and sisters (a lot more than Billy Bob’s Fundamentalist Cow Barn has got), plus all the Saints and Angels in Heaven rooting for you.

Study Catholic doctrine, especially its history, and be prepared to do intellectual battle with the Church’s doctrinal enemies. Learn the history, learn the doctrine, learn the Early Church Father’s, learn everything you can and always remember that Holy Mother Church is there for you. Remember that before Martin Luther was even a glint in his father’s eye, the Catholic Church stood strong, guiding the people towards Heaven–even when her leaders have been more imperfect, they have never changed her doctrine or her overall mission.

Again, welcome to the Catholic Church and, if you need anything or have any questions, please PM me.

I know I am a late coming to this discussion, but I just have to say that this post is completely filled with hatred and vitriol. With Catholics saying things like this is it really any wonder that some Protestants respond in kind?

 

[Drawmack]

Dear friend in Christ, your lack of understanding is very typical of the Protestant Community.

With this I agree whole heartedly. Most Protestants have no concept of Catholic teachings. However, I think that Catholics, for the most part, also have no concept of Protestant teachings.

The CC is the only Church founded by Christ, has served God continously for 2,000 years,

Coptic?

the entire NT is written by people we would know today as Catholics,

That is a rather bold statement. Was your priest ordained be Jesus himself who came down and taught him personally after the assumption making him an apostle?

the CC was the ONLY Christian Church for 1,600 years,

Coptic, Syrian, Orthodox, etc.

[and had the complete bible from about 400 AD]and set the Canon of the Bible abound the year 400.

Then why does the Orthodox Church, which split in 1054, have more books in their Bible than the Catholic Church?

So if it did not come from us, who then Luther in 1.650:shrug:

The Bible came from God, not from the Catholic, or any other, church!

 

[1beleevr]

Jesus said, if they hated the master, how much more will they hate you?

They tout the Bible, but ignore it’s most central message. Obedience. It’s easy to be obedient to one’s own thoughts and opinions. No cross there. Then again, many hate the cross. Especially Jesus on it.

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Jesus didn’t teach hatred, so we must have created it, or we have allowed Satan to put it in our hearts! Why do Christians hate other Christians? Why are we so arrogant; believing we are thonly way? And true Christians love and defend the Cross! According to the Bible, though, Jesus was removed from the Cross and buried! Remember? Empty Cross+Empty Tomb= Victory!

 

[1beleevr]

Without the grace and mercy of God, and the incredible Peace of Christ, it would be very easy to respond to posts such as nsper7(post#4, Sept 7, 09) with the same venom, that was spewed upon those who for whatever reason are non-catholic! There are enough people working hard to keep the Body of Christ divided, and then we read something like this! After reading this(today, Nov 12), I prayed for this person, that the Holy Spirit would remove this negative attitude! And believe you me, if you profess the Name of Jesus, you will receive your share of persecution, name calling, and all other forms of hatred. It just seems that catholics as a whole tend to be more sensitive to it! I don’t believe there are many who feel sorry for you guys. As the Body of Christ, is it not our life’s goal to reach the lost, help the poor and edify, rather than tear the Body apart! Posts like these(and this is not the first) reek of hatred for mankind in general; anyone who is not catholic! I certainly hope your religion does not encourage this type of attitude towards others

 

[Drawmack]

Protestants reject parts of the Bible that Martin Luther had problems with. In fact, Luther wanted to cut out even more (such as that pesky Letter from St. James regarding works and how we need to live our faith). For over 1,000 years, the Church had a work of inspired writing and one man decided, on his own, that he knew more than hundreds of brilliant and guided scholars and theologians who came before him.

You contradict yourself in this paragraph. First you state that Martin Luther wanted to reject parts of the Bible that were, in fact, not rejected. Then later you say that he rejected based only on his own authority. If this is true then why were those books he wanted to reject kept? If this is true can you find one Bible actually translated by Luther that does not contain the deuterocannon?

We can disagree, but we should both be honest.

 

[Drawmack]

From this vantage, complaints about anti-catholicism particularly in the 21st century United States are really exaggerated.

I just don’t see discrimination in housing or employment or public accommidations against Catholics being much of a factor at all.

Of course, non-catholics have their own views. If they didn’t, they’d be Catholic themselves.

The fact that protestants or Greek Orthodox or Jews or atheists are opposed to Catholic doctrine is something that is to be expected. Religion is a controversial topic. People are opposed to other religions.

The only real difference is that more people are familiar with the Catholic Church than they are with other religions because Catholicism is the world’s largest single faith.

On this note, the 31 countries who outlaw Christianity do not ask one if they are Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, JW, etc. If the person is a Christian they can be arrested, tortured, and possibly martyred – even in the 21st century.

 

[Drawmack]

I really don’t know. But thats a good question? I know we are called Catholics because we go to the CC. And Protestants for Protestant Church. I guess to be correct, and this is gonna get me in alot of heat, But I guess they are Protestants.

Mormons are not Protestants!!! Protestant churches can trace their formation, in some way, to the reformation of the 1500’s. Mormons can trace their formation to the mid 1800’s when a young man of dubious history founded their religion based on golden plates that no one ever saw.

 

[Drawmack]

Yes every Church that is not Catholic is called Protestant. So sorry you are stuck with them.

Here is what Protestant means anyone who Protests the Catholic Church. So every other faith by def. means Protestant. So rather they are Mormons, or Non-Baptists, etc they are Protestants.

But Christians are anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. That would be Protestants and Catholics.

So again sorry you get em!

Protestant does not mean to protest it comes from the Latin protestae which means to proclaim as in proclaiming the Gospel.

 

[Javl]

Protestant does not mean to protest it comes from the Latin protestae which means to proclaim as in proclaiming the Gospel.

Again, in all charity, may I say that Protestants in proclaiming the Bible, proclaim the
passages that are supposed to be accepted literaly as only symbolic, and vice versa.
This is the danger and error of “sola scriptura”. The RCC which has assembled and provided the Bible ( of which a modified version is used by Protestants ) knows which is which and proclaims accordingly.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[rinnie]

Mormons are not Protestants!!! Protestant churches can trace their formation, in some way, to the reformation of the 1500’s. Mormons can trace their formation to the mid 1800’s when a young man of dubious history founded their religion based on golden plates that no one ever saw.

Oh and the Protestant Church can’t? Do you even know what a Protestant is? By your response guess not. A protestatant is someone who Protests the teaching of the CC. Now would you like to change your answer? Or are you saying that Mormons obey the teachings of the CC. And I understand stand quite clear and agree with you that your faith was founded on a young man Joseph Smith. Mine was founded on Jesus Christ. Big difference.

 

[rinnie]

Protestant does not mean to protest it comes from the Latin protestae which means to proclaim as in proclaiming the Gospel.

Sorry that is not correct there is a big difference between proclaim and protest. Please don’t take my word for it, look it up in the dictionary. And then please get back to me.

 

[JustaServant]

Hey everyone. The more I look into the Catholic faith, the more I realize that people in general just don’t like it. All I’ve seen were extremes; you either love it or you hate it. I haven’t really seen many in-betweens yet, especially among protestants. Personally, I love God’s church and look forward to joining it. But… why do so many people hate it? The Catholic church seems to get twice as much hate as protestantism and other religions. Maybe it’s just because the area where I live is mostly dominated by Baptists and non-denominational protestants. Still, they even seem to have a bad rep online. What’s your opinion on this matter?

Getting back to the OP.
Your answer is because the Catholic Church is the oldest, largest, and most visible of all Christian churches. It’s an easy target.
I would certainly not say all Protestants feel that way. It is usually found among the more extreme fundamentalist/evangelical types.

 

[rinnie]

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rinnie: Okay, girl, you have made your point May the Lord of All Heaven’s Armies, richly bless you and your fellow catholics, as you continue in your confession to priests! This issue, like many others has become a moot point, and it appears we have hit a brick wall! You have provided a ton of scripture, some of which is clear, and others that are, shall we say, left up for interpretation. You never did answer the question,"Who is the He, in 1John 1:9? Is is God? Or a priest? who are the "one another to whom we should confess our sins; you and I, or a priest? Listen sweetie, I never have and I won’t start now, tell you how to worship, when to worship, what music to listen to or whether or not to wear a cross with a corpus on it! We have differences, but because of the grace of God, we are able to look past these and love each other, because we are children of God! I do not hate catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons,or any other religion, or people. I may come across that way; but I think it may be more that I am obstinate, and stubborn But I will defend the Cross until the day I see my Saviour face-to-face:thumbsup:

Hi lB The he you are talking about is Christ. That scripture says denial of the condition of sin is self deception and contradictory of divine revelation, and also we can repeat the sin again. Forgiveness and deliverance from sin through Christ are assured through the acknowledgment of them and repentance. That is the teaching of the CC.

What I cannot understand lB is this wall that you see. What do you do with the scripture that I quoted you. How do you explain it. I would really like to hear. Also why did Jesus gvie the Apostles the power to forgive sin? What you hold bound is bound and loose is loose. I understand you also deny that scripture. But you just say we hit a brick wall. Or thats how I see it. It is not how I see it lB its how the Apostles taught it from day l.

Now all I am asking is for you to explain to me what all of the Gospel I quoted meant to you. ANd how you explain that the Gospel, the one that said God gave that power to MEN. Human beings. etc. That is all I ask. What are you saying it says? I understand you really cannot explain, and I understand. But lB between friends does that not bother you. In your heart deep down it has to.

 

[rinnie]

You contradict yourself in this paragraph. First you state that Martin Luther wanted to reject parts of the Bible that were, in fact, not rejected. Then later you say that he rejected based only on his own authority. If this is true then why were those books he wanted to reject kept? If this is true can you find one Bible actually translated by Luther that does not contain the deuterocannon?

We can disagree, but we should both be honest.

Other than the Apocryphal books that the Catholic Bible has according to his writings and commentary Luther wanted at least 4 other books removed. The public out cry was so great that he relented and left them in.

 

[Javl]

Originally Posted by moo5009
Hey everyone. The more I look into the Catholic faith, the more I realize that people in general just don’t like it. All I’ve seen were extremes; you either love it or you hate it. I haven’t really seen many in-betweens yet, especially among protestants. Personally, I love God’s church and look forward to joining it. But… why do so many people hate it? The Catholic church seems to get twice as much hate as protestantism and other religions. Maybe it’s just because the area where I live is mostly dominated by Baptists and non-denominational protestants. Still, they even seem to have a bad rep online. What’s your opinion on this matter?

Mostly because the Catholic Church condemns immoral actions, such as today’s so
called political correctness of euthanasia, abortion, homosexual marriage, etc. A Catholic
must follow the narrow path that Our Lord said. There are many other reasons, but I think that it is primarily that we have and accept the Pope as our governor and guide, which
many refuse to do.

 

[Drawmack]

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Leslie Polley;5900888:

That is the teachings of the RCC. Who is denying that. We never said Mary or the Saints were mediators.

We said Mary and the Saints can interceed for us through prayers. Do you disagree with intercession. is that what you mean?
CCC 969 - 970:

…Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix

Granted the next paragraph says that Mary shares in Jesus mediation and does not give this of her own accord as Jesus does. However, referring to her as the Mediatrix certainly does say that Mary is a mediator.

 

[Drawmack]

I guess it’s not something you can understand unless you’ve hated God at some point in your life.

Amen!

 

[Drawmack]

I am sorry, I misunderstood you. Yes we must forgive first, and love those who have sinned against us, before we can expect to be forgiven.

Leslie, forgive me, but I am not deriding or ridiculing you. You say you studied, studied, studied. I don’t know what you have studied, but, from your posts, I can see
that you really do not know anything about the Catholic Church. For if you knew and
understood, you would still be Catholic. I know that only those who claim to disagree
with the Church’s teachings, doctrines, etc. really do not know anything about the
Church. Please, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and understand. Read
all the footnotes and references and pray to the Holy Spirit for help. He has done
wonders for me. I am sure that then you will truly learn. Please keep in mind that
none are so blind as those that refuse to see, and none are so deaf as those who
refuse to hear. God Bless.

Len

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

You out and out state that the only reason for a Christian to not be Catholic is ignorance as far as you are concerned, then you say that none are … You have already shut yourself off to the possibility that someone can know what the Catholic Church teaches and refuse to accept that teaching.