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I was just watching Benny Hinn ( I know, I know, mostly out of curiousity) when he started in about Mary the mother of Jesus.

He said,to a room full, that the body of Jesus was given entirely from God. Jesus’ body was entirely from God and that nothing came from her. Body and blood came all from God and that’s why He is incorruptible. That’s why Jesus’ body can be in heaven because His blood is divine. If Mary’s blood was in Jesus His body would decay.

She was nothing more then a vessal.

He continued on and on…I had to turn it off and walk away.

He’s basically teaching then that Jesus has only one nature and not two.

That He is God and not a man.

It’s so sad to see the people taking notes and eating it all up.

My question to that would be then why choose a woman at all?

God didn’t and doesn’t need anyone. If He wants to appear in the flesh he would.

But instead He works through us. He has since the begining. Moses the prophets and the Apostles.

Did I miss anything?

What heresy does this fall under?
 
I was just watching Benny Hinn ( I know, I know, mostly out of curiousity) when he started in about Mary the mother of Jesus.

He said,to a room full, that the body of Jesus was given entirely from God. Jesus’ body was entirely from God and that nothing came from her. Body and blood came all from God and that’s why He is incorruptible. That’s why Jesus’ body can be in heaven because His blood is divine. If Mary’s blood was in Jesus His body would decay.

She was nothing more then a vessal.

He continued on and on…I had to turn it off and walk away.

He’s basically teaching then that Jesus has only one nature and not two.

That He is God and not a man.

It’s so sad to see the people taking notes and eating it all up.

My question to that would be then why choose a woman at all?

God didn’t and doesn’t need anyone. If He wants to appear in the flesh he would.

But instead He works through us. He has since the begining. Moses the prophets and the Apostles.

Did I miss anything?

What heresy does this fall under?
Benny is out of the line. His theology is backward. I would consider such belief a new form of heresy.

The common orthodox Christian belief is that Jesus was born of a woman.

St. Paul wrote in Galatians:

Gal Chapter 4 verse 4-7

[4] But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
[5] to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
[6] And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
[7] So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son then an heir.

Mary consented to God’s will and become the Mother of God. Jesus’ flesh and blood comes from his mother period.

“He was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle was exempt from putridity and corruption.” Hippolytus, Orations Inillud, Dominus pascit me (ante A.D. 235).

“This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God, is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one.” Origen, Homily 1(A.D. 244).

“Let woman praise Her, the pure Mary.” Ephraim, Hymns on the Nativity, 15:23 (A.D. 370).

“Thou alone and thy Mother are in all things fair, there is no flaw in thee and no stain in thy Mother.” Ephraem, Nisibene Hymns, 27:8 (A.D. 370).

“O noble Virgin, truly you are greater than any other greatness. For who is your equal in greatness, O dwelling place of God the Word? To whom among all creatures shall I compare you, O Virgin? You are greater than them all O Covenant, clothed with purity instead of gold! You are the Ark in which is found the golden vessel containing the true manna, that is, the flesh in which divinity resides.” Athanasius, Homily of the Papyrus of Turin, 71:216 (ante AD 373).

“Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin.” Ambrose, Sermon 22:30 (A.D. 388).

“We must except the Holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question when it touches the subject of sins, out of honour to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin in every particular was conferred upon her who had the merit to conceive and bear Him who undoubtedly had no sin.” Augustine, Nature and Grace,4 2[36] (A.D.415).

“As he formed her without my stain of her own, so He proceeded from her contracting no stain.” Proclus of Constantinople, Homily 1 (ante A.D. 446).

“A virgin, innocent, spotless, free of all defect, untouched, unsullied, holy in soul and body, like a lily sprouting among thorns.” Theodotus of Ancrya, Homily VI:11(ante A.D. 446).

“The angel took not the Virgin from Joseph, but gave her to Christ, to whom she was pledged from Joseph, but gave her to Christ, to whom she was pledged in the womb, when she was made.” Peter Chrysologus, Sermon 140 (A.D. 449).

Benny claims that Jesus is just God. Not both God and Man. He is preaching Docetism.

Docetism is an early Christian heresy which claimed that Christ was not truly human. Docetism denies the true and full humanity of Christ. The word ‘Docetism’ is derived from the Greek word “dokeo” which means “to appear or seem”. Proponents of this error taught that Christ only appeared or seemed to be human.

The apostle John trumpets explicit warnings against this early heresy:

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” 1 John 4: 1-3

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” 2 John 7

These ominous warnings by the Apostle John confirm what secular history also states; that Docetism had appeared very early among the churches. But, where did it come from? The answer is obtained by understanding the influence pre-christian gnosticism had on the ancient Greek and Roman world. Harold O. J. Brown says:

“The gnostic movement as a whole and even church-related Gnosticism are really too big and too foreign to the New Testament to be called heresies; they really represent an alternative religion. In producing docetism, Gnosticism presented us with the first heresy that can be clearly lodged ‘within’ Christianity.”
 
This thread is terrible! ( I mean it’s sad…😦 ).
I feel so upset just reading the OP.
It hurts me because Christ lived as a human! He lived, he cried, he mourned and, well just look at the garden of Gethsemane!
I feel upset now but I feel even worse because your are right when you say that people are actually going to believe it.

Mathew 18 - 7

7"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! 8If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."

So I think this man needs to zip up his mouth to stop him from the sin he is saying!
 
I was just watching Benny Hinn ( I know, I know, mostly out of curiousity) when he started in about Mary the mother of Jesus.

He said,to a room full, that the body of Jesus was given entirely from God. Jesus’ body was entirely from God and that nothing came from her. Body and blood came all from God and that’s why He is incorruptible. That’s why Jesus’ body can be in heaven because His blood is divine. If Mary’s blood was in Jesus His body would decay.

She was nothing more then a vessal.

He continued on and on…I had to turn it off and walk away.

He’s basically teaching then that Jesus has only one nature and not two.

That He is God and not a man.

It’s so sad to see the people taking notes and eating it all up.

My question to that would be then why choose a woman at all?

God didn’t and doesn’t need anyone. If He wants to appear in the flesh he would.

But instead He works through us. He has since the begining. Moses the prophets and the Apostles.

Did I miss anything?

What heresy does this fall under?
Charismatics are nortorious for spouting off uneducated heresy. Reformed Protestants and fundamentalists would reject this nonsense. Which heresy? I would use the plural here. I see Modalism here, Docetism, a confusion of the hypostatic union of Christ, perhaps even a denial of Original Sin. I wouldn’t say it is necessarily anti-Mary. He just has no clue what he is talking about.
How he fills stadiums is beyond me.
Maybe he has a good band.🤷
 
Some time back, a man I know from church said that he had gone to a Benny Hinn “event” and got a lot out of it. I said that Benny Hinn was nothing but a fraud, which was countered by another man who seemed to think I was out of line by saying it.
Both of them were older men, meaning definately older than myself. Maybe they felt a need to believe this stuff because the man claims to be Catholic.
 
Some time back, a man I know from church said that he had gone to a Benny Hinn “event” and got a lot out of it. I said that Benny Hinn was nothing but a fraud, which was countered by another man who seemed to think I was out of line by saying it.
Both of them were older men, meaning definately older than myself. Maybe they felt a need to believe this stuff because the man claims to be Catholic.
Benny Hinn is no Catholic.
He is a fraud (proven in abundance even among his own charismatics). The reaction of the men in question sounds rather cultish as well.
 
Benny Hinn is no Catholic.
He is a fraud (proven in abundance even among his own charismatics). The reaction of the men in question sounds rather cultish as well.
Is he ordained? Is there a church he is working for? And why do they let him do it! I have never heard a catholic say such terrible things before. I guess he isn’t catholic then (or at least doesn’t deserve to be called one!).
 
I had a gut feeling sort of like that. Both of the men I’m talking about are cradle Catholics. Which really bothered me. Being in the church that long, and supposedly knowing church teachings, they should have questioned Benny HInns bit. But, since both of these men are older (old enough to be my father), I hesitated making it a confrontation. Which I believe it would have become if I had said anything more.
 
I had a gut feeling sort of like that. Both of the men I’m talking about are cradle Catholics. Which really bothered me. Being in the church that long, and supposedly knowing church teachings, they should have questioned Benny HInns bit. But, since both of these men are older (old enough to be my father), I hesitated making it a confrontation. Which I believe it would have become if I had said anything more.
Like fundamentalists, Charismatics deliberately recruit cradle Catholics with the idea they are ‘missing something’ (thier words). If they are aging baby-boomers, I’m not surprised. My parents generation (WW2) would not have been fooled by this ‘camel trader’ (my Lebanese wife’s term, not mine:D).
 
I had a gut feeling sort of like that. Both of the men I’m talking about are cradle Catholics. Which really bothered me. Being in the church that long, and supposedly knowing church teachings, they should have questioned Benny HInns bit. But, since both of these men are older (old enough to be my father), I hesitated making it a confrontation. Which I believe it would have become if I had said anything more.
It almost sounds to me that they are forming a new belief. A new cult (one might dare to say!). 😦
I’m sure that what they said was most definitely not the churches official teachings.

P.S. You should have confronted them! I DID IT DURING A SEMINAR AND THE GUY FROZE BECAUSE HE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY! :D:rotfl:
It was funny because in the end he had to say “We’ve run out of time now and I’m not sure about your question so I’ll just have to leave it!”
What a wimp he was… and he was a vicar too!
 
If Jesus’ Body and Blood were not fully human, not fully descended from Adam and Eve (in all but original sin) — how on earth was His death supposed to save us? How was the shedding of His blood of any use to us, if Jesus was not blood of our blood, bone of our bone and flesh of our flesh?

There’s nothing bene about Benny, if he says stuff like this.
 
There are at least seven active threads on this forum that in some way deal with our Blessed Mother. I find it interesting that anti-Catholic Protestants always seem to latch on to ANYTHING that desecrates the BVM. You think they would ask themselves what ‘spirit’ is causing them to do it.
 
I was just watching Benny Hinn ( I know, I know, mostly out of curiousity)
There is enough good, solid, Catholic material out there to last several lifetimes. Why waste time with things that are questionable?
when he started in about Mary the mother of Jesus.
fellowChristian;5334873:
Not surprising…satan doesn’t care much for her either.

He said,to a room full, that the body of Jesus was given entirely from God. Jesus’ body was entirely from God and that nothing came from her. Body and blood came all from God and that’s why He is incorruptible. That’s why Jesus’ body can be in heaven because His blood is divine. If Mary’s blood was in Jesus His body would decay.
Not surprising…satan doesn’t care much for her either.
She was nothing more then a vessal.
Not surprising…satan would like you to believe that.
He continued on and on…I had to turn it off and walk away.
Good…I am sorry you wasted the time you did on it…next time, I suggest watching some good Catholic programming instead.
He’s basically teaching then that Jesus has only one nature and not two.
I think he’s concentrating more on teaching people that they should send him their money.
That He is God and not a man.
I’m not sure he really thinks into it that much.
It’s so sad to see the people taking notes and eating it all up.
Yes
My question to that would be then why choose a woman at all?
He wouldn’t- that’s why the argument is invalid.
God didn’t and doesn’t need anyone. If He wants to appear in the flesh he would.

But instead He works through us. He has since the begining. Moses the prophets and the Apostles.
Yes
Did I miss anything?
No- I’m not sure watching it helped you or anybody though.
What heresy does this fall under?
Let’s get more basic than a church-defined heresy- it violates God’s commandment not to take His Name in vain.
 
I was just watching Benny Hinn ( I know, I know, mostly out of curiousity) when he started in about Mary the mother of Jesus.

He said,to a room full, that the body of Jesus was given entirely from God. Jesus’ body was entirely from God and that nothing came from her. Body and blood came all from God and that’s why He is incorruptible. That’s why Jesus’ body can be in heaven because His blood is divine. If Mary’s blood was in Jesus His body would decay.

She was nothing more then a vessal.

He continued on and on…I had to turn it off and walk away.

He’s basically teaching then that Jesus has only one nature and not two.

That He is God and not a man.

It’s so sad to see the people taking notes and eating it all up.

My question to that would be then why choose a woman at all?

God didn’t and doesn’t need anyone. If He wants to appear in the flesh he would.

But instead He works through us. He has since the begining. Moses the prophets and the Apostles.

Did I miss anything?

What heresy does this fall under?
He sounds like a monophysite like Eutyches. Eutyches denied that Christ was consubstantial with us. He said that the body of Christ was a heavenly body.
 
He sounds like a monophysite like Eutyches. Eutyches denied that Christ was consubstantial with us. He said that the body of Christ was a heavenly body.
Indeed, if Jesus only “appeared” human, there would have been no point for him to be born of the Virgin Mary. Our Lord could have just descended from heaven in the form of a newborn babe and land in his mother’s arms as soon as the Magi arrived where he would have appeared from heaven.

Pax Christu :harp:
 
I was just watching Benny Hinn ( I know, I know, mostly out of curiousity) when he started in about Mary the mother of Jesus.

He said,to a room full, that the body of Jesus was given entirely from God. Jesus’ body was entirely from God and that nothing came from her. Body and blood came all from God and that’s why He is incorruptible. That’s why Jesus’ body can be in heaven because His blood is divine. If Mary’s blood was in Jesus His body would decay.

She was nothing more then a vessal.

He continued on and on…I had to turn it off and walk away.

He’s basically teaching then that Jesus has only one nature and not two.

That He is God and not a man.

It’s so sad to see the people taking notes and eating it all up.

My question to that would be then why choose a woman at all?

God didn’t and doesn’t need anyone. If He wants to appear in the flesh he would.

But instead He works through us. He has since the begining. Moses the prophets and the Apostles.

Did I miss anything?

What heresy does this fall under?
I am a little behind in the threads, so I just read this today. Ironically, it is the feast day of Cyril of Alexandria today, whose solid Catholic teaching about the Theotokos, the two natures of Christ, and tireless labors of writing culminated in the infallible teaching at the Council of Ephesus in the fourth century that defeated this heresy (Nestorianism). It just goes to show that those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it. 🤷
 
I am a little behind in the threads, so I just read this today. Ironically, it is the feast day of Cyril of Alexandria today, whose solid Catholic teaching about the Theotokos, the two natures of Christ, and tireless labors of writing culminated in the infallible teaching at the Council of Ephesus in the fourth century that defeated this heresy (Nestorianism). It just goes to show that those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it. 🤷
:sad_yes::sad_yes:

Benny Hinn has claimed to be Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and any number of other things. He is actually an excommunicated Free Methodist. (Not surprisingly, he was tossed for–heresy, as well as :eek:**for impersonating a clergyman…**Yup, he’s not even a real pastor; just a con-man).
Yet in spite of all the lying, he still gains followers. I have come to believe that there are just a number of people out there, who are :(looking for an emotional “event” instead of a time of worship. I just don’t get it.🤷
 
have come to believe that there are just a number of people out there, who are :(looking for an emotional “event” instead of a time of worship. I just don’t get it.🤷
After a while. tongues and ‘slain in the spirit’ becomes old hat. Like a circus, they have to keep topping themselves. In the 90s it was ‘holy laughter’. The big thing now is the ‘prosperity, health and weath’ con. It’s been around for a while, and will continue until people get wise to them.
 
I was just watching Benny Hinn ( I know, I know, mostly out of curiousity) when he started in about Mary the mother of Jesus.

He said,to a room full, that the body of Jesus was given entirely from God. Jesus’ body was entirely from God and that nothing came from her. Body and blood came all from God and that’s why He is incorruptible. That’s why Jesus’ body can be in heaven because His blood is divine. If Mary’s blood was in Jesus His body would decay.

She was nothing more then a vessal.

He continued on and on…I had to turn it off and walk away.

He’s basically teaching then that Jesus has only one nature and not two.

That He is God and not a man.

It’s so sad to see the people taking notes and eating it all up.

My question to that would be then why choose a woman at all?

God didn’t and doesn’t need anyone. If He wants to appear in the flesh he would.

But instead He works through us. He has since the begining. Moses the prophets and the Apostles.

Did I miss anything?

What heresy does this fall under?
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