AntiCatholics Destroy Altar

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This is very, very crazy. :mad: I hope that it gets picked up on the national stations.
 
National News won’t touch it. Not enough interest. They’ll get a parking ticket.

Everyone knows you can’t commit a hate-crime against Catholics. We don’t matter.
 
If this happened to a mosque it would be all over the national news, and it should be. I don’t understand the double standard, anti-Catholicism like this is unacceptable and just as bad as violent racism, anti-semitism, or sexism. Why ignore it?
 
Very disturbing! I’m watching Fox News and still have not heard anything about it.
 
joey(name removed by moderator):
Very disturbing! I’m watching Fox News and still have not heard anything about it.
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Perhaps we could write FOX News about the incident. Hannity Colms is Catholic, so he might just cover it. It is worth a try.
 
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This is very, very crazy. :mad: I hope that it gets picked up on the national stations.
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I won’t come up on any national news channel. Why because it was a crime commited to the Catholic Church and not a crime commited by the Catholic Church.
 
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deb1:
Perhaps we could write FOX News about the incident. Hannity Colms is Catholic, so he might just cover it. It is worth a try.
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Good idea! I just emailed them the link and asked them if they will be covering this story.
 
joey(name removed by moderator):
Good idea! I just emailed them the link and asked them if they will be covering this story.
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Good! I just sent my e-mail too. Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.
 
This sort of thing used to happen all the time during the “Reformation”.

Then when the perpetrators got punished, they were written up as martyrs and heroes!
 
A not dissimilar incident happened at St. Joseph Cathedral in Baton Rouge around 1992 or 1993. Our bishop, Stanley Joseph Ott, was dying of cancer. He was in the process of giving his homily one Sunday when a man carrying one of those big red plastic baseball bats walked across the altar from the Blessed Sacrament chapel area. Our cantor, a very tall and statuesque woman, saw him. She arose from the cantor’s chair. Calmly walked over to him and ripped the baseball bat out of his hands. At about the same time one of the ushers, who just happened to be a major in the parish (county) sherrif’s department came from the other side of the altar. There was also a choir member who was a reserve sheriff’s deputy who ran down the stairs from the choir loft. The two VERY LARGE men subdued the guy and took him out of the church. The cantor calmly took her seat. Poor Bishop Ott didn’t know what was going on and led the entire congregation in a prayer for “the poor demented man”.

You’ld think such things wouldn’t happen in this day and age but they do.
 
Peace be with you!

This makes me so angry that people can do this and it doesn’t even matter to anyone. I agree…if this was in a mosque it would be all over national news and everyone would be screaming “hate crime” and “oppression”…but the Catholics are fair game and evidently cannot be the victims of hate crimes. Funny how all these liberals preach acceptance of everyone…except Catholics (well, Christians in general).

In Christ,
Rand
 
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Axion:
This sort of thing used to happen all the time during the “Reformation”.

Then when the perpetrators got punished, they were written up as martyrs and heroes!
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It was more of a DEformation.😦

They never reformed anything, they just invented false man-made traditions.
 
It does make you wish for the return of militant orders, doesn’t it?
 
They do need our prayers.

It is hard but even when people subtly make comments to our faces (most of us have experienced that) we need to care for them, most of them hate what they think is the Church. They rightly have concern for us if the mis-representations of the Church were true.

That is why we have hit and run posters a lot of them are taught that the Church is evil and they (misguided and rude sometimes as they are) are trying to help us.

We need to pray and live lives of example.

God Bless
Scylla
 
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A not dissimilar incident happened at St. Joseph Cathedral in Baton Rouge around 1992 or 1993. Our bishop, Stanley Joseph Ott, was dying of cancer. He was in the process of giving his homily one Sunday when a man carrying one of those big red plastic baseball bats walked across the altar from the Blessed Sacrament chapel area. Our cantor, a very tall and statuesque woman, saw him. She arose from the cantor’s chair. Calmly walked over to him and ripped the baseball bat out of his hands. At about the same time one of the ushers, who just happened to be a major in the parish (county) sherrif’s department came from the other side of the altar. There was also a choir member who was a reserve sheriff’s deputy who ran down the stairs from the choir loft. The two VERY LARGE men subdued the guy and took him out of the church. The cantor calmly took her seat. Poor Bishop Ott didn’t know what was going on and led the entire congregation in a prayer for “the poor demented man”.

You’ld think such things wouldn’t happen in this day and age but they do.
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Ushers should be prepared to watch for these characters. Remember the antics of the gay activists?
 
This is truly sad. I just read the interview with the perps…really very confused people.

’Vision’ spurred church assault

**By Chris Paschenko and Melaine B. Smith **
DAILY Staff Writers
cpaschenko@decaturdaily.com · 340-2442 · msmith@decaturdaily.com · 353-4612

Destroying a church’s altar was a dream realized for one Hartselle man, who claimed his decision to confront a Decatur Catholic congregation during Mass was heaven-sent.

In an interview Monday from the visitation room at the Morgan County Jail, Adam Joseph Turgeon, 27, admitted his act of knocking over a marble altar Sunday, shortly after communion at Annunciation of the Lord, was poor judgment.

Decatur police charged Turgeon, his common-law wife Lisa Marie Wagner, 26, and their roommates Val Eugene Loughman, 20, and Loughman’s wife Emily Beth Loughman, 21, with felony criminal mischief, following the outburst at the 11 a.m. Mass.

“I woke up Sunday, went, pulled in and there it was,” Turgeon said of why the group chose Annunciation of the Lord. “I had a vision. Lisa and me were tearing a church apart. That’s not what I did. I just tore up a table that people saw as an idol, kneeling before it and bowing before an idol.”

The group went inside, listened to prayers and watched parishioners take communion before the outburst, Turgeon said.

“It was so monotone,” Turgeon said. “There was no passion, fire, reverence. Through the prayer they were just eyeballing everyone else and saying the words. They have no heart. That’s not love. (The Bible says) Make a joyful noise unto the Lord.”

Wagner told THE DAILY the group’s protest didn’t intend to single out Catholics but all forms of “man-made” religion.

“We are in End Times,” Wagner said. “This is Armageddon, the end of all things. Basically, what we’re in right now is the appearance of the antichrist who we believe to be Pope Benedict (XVI). . . . That’s the main reason we chose the Catholic church. It didn’t have anything to do with the people in it.”

Wagner said she moved with Turgeon from Franklin, N.H., to Decatur in March. Turgeon said he moved to Alabama to start a new life, leaving behind problems with his ex-wife.

Turgeon said he met Val Loughman while working at a pizza restaurant, and the four became friends, playing cards and hanging out. Since August, Turgeon and Wagner have lived with the Loughmans in Hartselle.

Both Wagner and Turgeon deny ever using drugs, and said they were not under the influence when they entered the church.

“All man-made religions are man’s efforts at putting God into an altar box,” Wagner said. “God is to be loved and worshipped for what he is.”

Wagner said she attended a Catholic church as a child and accused Catholics and all religions of worshipping idols.

“Early in life I was involved in a Catholic Mass as kids,” Wagner said. “It’s the same thing, monotone prayer, no feeling for God. They’re just jumping through hoops.”

Although Turgeon and Wagner believe in Christ, they don’t call themselves Christians. They say they practice spirituality, not religion.

“Adam kicked over the altar, and I was busy yelling about idol worship,” Wagner said. “Adam believes God spoke to him, telling both of us to go call out the evils of the Catholic church. We are followers of Christ.”

Turgeon said he and Wagner were the only two who participated in the outburst.
 
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“Pushing over the altar, I have to say it was a bit overboard,” Turgeon said. “It’s not exactly like I knew what I was doing. I couldn’t see, and I can’t explain it any more.”

Turgeon said a fifth person with them, a female he called Helen who lives in Decatur, who wasn’t arrested because she denied knowing anything about the incident.

Turgeon and Wagner said they believe the End Times have begun because of widespread famine, epidemics and natural disasters like hurricanes and a tsunami that killed thousands.

“I’m just waiting for an earthquake,” Turgeon said.

The couple spoke of their readings in the book of Revelation, saying changes in the moon, stars and an asteroid he believes is the woodworm, were all predicted.

Both Turgeon and Wagner believe Pope Benedict is the antichrist. They said Pope Benedict changed his pallium, a band worn over the pope’s shoulders, and the color of his ring.

“He changed the color to red,” Turgeon said. "A symbol of the blood of the lamb. Every time he puts the ring on he’s saying, ‘I’m God.’ "

Turgeon said he discovered the difference in the pope’s attire while browsing the Internet.

The Loughmans posted bond, and Val Loughman answered his door Monday but declined comment.

People who live in the same Hartselle apartment complex on Mitwede Street said the two couples appeared normal and noticed nothing out of the ordinary.

Decatur police didn’t comment on whether they considered the actions a hate crime. Police said the investigation continues.

Wagner and Turgeon remained jailed Monday each on bonds of $750. Wagner said when she posts bail she plans to continue her Bible study at a Hartselle coffee shop on Main Street.

Bible study

The owner of Coffeehouse Junction in Hartselle said the Loughmans, Turgeon and Wagner had two Bible studies in his shop. But Graham Langlois said if he had known what they were going to do at Annunciation Church, he would have barred them.

Langlois, 76, said the group didn’t know that he is Catholic.

“Nobody is allowed in here who would have any abnormal ideas about church,” he said.

The four showed up Friday, Langlois said, saying they wanted to help his business by having the study and bringing in customers. He said only the four met that day and Saturday.

Langlois said a detective told him that Turgeon and Wagner talked about “recruiting people.”

From what he overheard, their talk was a typical Bible study, Langlois said. They had Bibles on a table along with their coffee.

Langlois said the four came in the day after a story ran in The Hartselle Enquirer addressing rumors of Wiccan or witchcraft classes in the shop. Langlois said he doesn’t know why the rumor started, but he and his son noticed business slipping the past two months.

The shop has nothing to do with witchcraft but only wants to sell good coffee, Langlois said. He said the Loughmans, Turgeon and Wagner did not act “screwy.”
 
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