Antiphonale Monasticum question

[elizaveta01]

I’m not sure this is the right forum for this question, but it seemed the best choice to me.

Is there anyone here that uses the 1934 Antiphonale Monasticum reprint from Solesmes? If so I have a question for you.

I’ve been praying the Farnborough MD for some time and decided to get the 1934 Antiphonale Monasticum reprint from Solesmes because I wanted to start chanting the Office. But on going through the AM I’ve found several places where the page numbers are wonky. Some places there are several pages that are missing, and in some places there are page numbers that repeat - even though the pages themselves are different. Is this some sort of misprint? Or did they just keep the original page numbers and insert (or take out) things when they updated the AM over the years.

Hope someone here can help. I really love the AM and don’t really want to return it if I don’t have to.

 

[OraLabora]

I’m not sure this is the right forum for this question, but it seemed the best choice to me.

Is there anyone here that uses the 1934 Antiphonale Monasticum reprint from Solesmes? If so I have a question for you.

I’ve been praying the Farnborough MD for some time and decided to get the 1934 Antiphonale Monasticum reprint from Solesmes because I wanted to start chanting the Office. But on going through the AM I’ve found several places where the page numbers are wonky. Some places there are several pages that are missing, and in some places there are page numbers that repeat - even though the pages themselves are different. Is this some sort of misprint? Or did they just keep the original page numbers and insert (or take out) things when they updated the AM over the years.

Hope someone here can help. I really love the AM and don’t really want to return it if I don’t have to.

I have the 1934 AM (and also the newer 2005 AM but that’s another matter).

If you PM me some specific examples I can check to see if it’s the same in mine so you’ll know if it’s a quality control issue or not; I pray the post-Vatican II Divine Office (either Monastic or 4-week LOTH depending on my workload), and until the 2005 AM came out we had a book called “Documenta” that had the references for which Gospel Antiphons to use for years A-B-C.

There’s also an Antiphonale Solesmense from the same era that differs somewhat as it has the propers for the Solesmes congregation but I don’t have that one and believe it’s no longer in print. The AM also has an addendum after the index. Perhaps that’s what you’re referring to?

As a side note you might want to consider getting the 1899 Liber Responsorialis. It’s available in reprint from sarto.de/product_info.php?info=p121_Liber-Responsorialis.html

It contains all the antiphons and responsories for the monastic commons of saints, and for the propers of many feasts. Worth its weight in gold. The monastic LOTH that I use refers to it for many of its antiphons for feasts and solemnities.

 

[elizaveta01]

I’ve decided to post this here since I can not, for the life of me, figure out how to send anyone a PM.

I went through the AM and there are a bunch of pages that are numbered weirdly, but I checked them against my MD and for the most part there doesn’t seem to be anything missing from them. It looks like they changed the content when the rubrics changed, but didn’t change the page numbers. Don’t know why.

But there are several places where I can’t figure out if there is a problem or not. Can you check on those for me? They are:

pgs 928 - 929 - mine has three pages numbered 928 that are different from the MD

pgs 1109 - 1112 are completely missing - pg1108 has part of Nov 2, then it skips to pg 1113 that has Nov 5-6-7.

pg 1253 and pg 1256 are on opposite sides of the same page - at the bottom of pg 1253 is the prayer “Deus, cujus misericordiae” of Pro Gratiarum actione. Then pg 1256 starts the Kyrie of the Litaniae. I’m not sure what would have been on pgs 1254 and 1255.

The Appendix ends on pg 1258 with the Sub Tuum then there is a blank page (which would be 1259), then the Preces Regulares on pg 1262. Pgs 1260 and 1261 are missing.

I really appreciate your help with this. I’m pretty sure that the page weirdness is a result of the monks updating the AM without repaging it, since most of the missing/extra pages seem to jive with the MD. But I would like to know for sure that the ones I can’t check aren’t misprintings.

 

[elizaveta01]

The monastic LOTH that I use refers to it for many of its antiphons for feasts and solemnities.

Out of curiosity, what is a monastic LOTH? I know that Benedictine Daily Prayer: a Short Breviary is available, is that it - or is there another?

 

[OraLabora]

I’ve decided to post this here since I can not, for the life of me, figure out how to send anyone a PM.

I went through the AM and there are a bunch of pages that are numbered weirdly, but I checked them against my MD and for the most part there doesn’t seem to be anything missing from them. It looks like they changed the content when the rubrics changed, but didn’t change the page numbers. Don’t know why.

But there are several places where I can’t figure out if there is a problem or not. Can you check on those for me? They are:

pgs 928 - 929 - mine has three pages numbered 928 that are different from the MD

pgs 1109 - 1112 are completely missing - pg1108 has part of Nov 2, then it skips to pg 1113 that has Nov 5-6-7.

pg 1253 and pg 1256 are on opposite sides of the same page - at the bottom of pg 1253 is the prayer “Deus, cujus misericordiae” of Pro Gratiarum actione. Then pg 1256 starts the Kyrie of the Litaniae. I’m not sure what would have been on pgs 1254 and 1255.

The Appendix ends on pg 1258 with the Sub Tuum then there is a blank page (which would be 1259), then the Preces Regulares on pg 1262. Pgs 1260 and 1261 are missing.

I really appreciate your help with this. I’m pretty sure that the page weirdness is a result of the monks updating the AM without repaging it, since most of the missing/extra pages seem to jive with the MD. But I would like to know for sure that the ones I can’t check aren’t misprintings.

Mine is exactly the same and I think your assessment is correct. I can’t say I ever noticed it because I’ve always prayed the post-Vatican II versions of the Divine Office, and they refer to specific antiphons (mostly for the Gospel canticles) in AM, but don’t use the whole thing, because the psalms in AM are the Vulgate, and post Vatican II the Neo-Vulgate is used, plus the calendar is different, etc.

Out of curiosity, what is a monastic LOTH? I know that Benedictine Daily Prayer: a Short Breviary is available, is that it - or is there another?

No, that’s not an “official” breviary, it’s an adapted “shorter” breviary designed for laity and oblates; it’s not liturgical.

There are 4 “official” versions of the monastic LOTH, taken from the Thesaurus Liturgiae Monasticae of 1977.

Schema A is basically the original psalm schema described in the Rule of St. Benedict, adapted to the post-Vatican II calendar, with a couple of options to eliminate Prime and redistribute its psalms either through Vigils or the minor hours.

Schema B (used by my abbey) is a modern schema devised in the mid-60s by Notker Fueglister O.S.B; it distributes the psalms over one week thus meeting the letter of the Rule of St. Benedict, if not the spirit. Our abbey does it in French except for Lauds and Vespers which are chanted in Latin Gregorian chant.

Schema C comes from Scheyern Abbey, I believe, and distributes the psalter over two weeks.

Schema D, also two weeks, not sure of the origin.

The current canonical regulation is that Benedictines must distribute the psalter over 2 weeks at a minimum unless engaged in a lot of external apostolates for for specific reasons where the 4-week LOTH may be used.