Any Anglicans / Episcopalians considering switching to RCC?

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In the years I’ve been watching the Continuum Dance, some folk posit a few reasons for the process:

Personalities.

Purple Passion (every man his own bishop).

**A determination not to reinvent the Elizabethan Compromise (this time we get it right).
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The dance is iterative. Some groups form up, find the union unsatisfactory, change partners, and dance on.

Of late, as has been mentioned here, somewhere, 4 of the more prominent Continuing entities are deep into hand-holding, with hope for marriage in the near future. We shall see.
I find this one to be particularly ironic given how integral the Elizabethan Compromise was to forming Anglicanism’s unique position as the so called via media and it’s long time character as an overall denomination.

Based on what limited exposure I’ve had to the Continuing bodies and the more recent bodies I’d agree that your “purple passion” and personalities definitely play a part in it. That said, hopefully they can come together into something more cohesive if just for practicality sake since they don’t seem to have terribly much doctrinally that would separate them. Same would go for the ACNA and it’s contemporaries, though in that case it seems they’re having trouble maintaining what unity they do have unfortunately.
 
The Articles were formally imposed on the clergy of the CoE, not the laity, by the 1571 Parliamentary Act of Subscription. As ++Bramhall said,

“We do not hold our Thirty-nine Articles to be such necessary truths, `without which there is no salvation;’ nor enjoin ecclesiastical persons to swear unto them, but only to subscribe them, as theological truths, for the preservation of unity among us. Some of them are the very same that are contained in the Creed; some others of them are practical truths, which come not within the proper lists of points or articles to be believed; lastly, some of them are pious opinions or inferior truths which are proposed by the Church of England as not to be opposed; not as essentials of Faith necessary to be believed.”

They were the first expression of the* via media*, how Elizabeth choose to govern a fractious Church, in a fractious land, in fractious times: religion as statecraft. They are not normative for Anglicans, generally, save, for CoE clergy, in the technical sense of the Act; a sort of job description for the erastian CoE. One can contemplate the recommendations of Lambeth, 1968:

*Lambeth 1968 The Ministry - The Thirty-Nine Articles
"The Conference accepts the main conclusion of the Report of the Archbishops’ Commission on Christian Doctrine entitled ‘Subscription and Assent to the Thirty-nine Articles’ (1968) and in furtherance of its recommendation:

(a) suggests that each Church of our Communion consider whether the Articles need be bound up with its Prayer Book;

(b) suggests to the Churches of the Anglican Communion that assent to the Thirty-nine Articles be no longer required of ordinands;

(c) suggests that, when subscription is required to the Articles or other elements in the Anglican tradition, it should be required, and given, only in the context of a statement which gives the full range of our inheritance of faith and sets the Articles in their historical context."*

This passed. And following this TEC moved them into a new section of the 79 book. Historical documents.

What that recognizes is that there is not a single attitude toward the Articles throughout the Communion, but variable ones. And that should be reflected in how the Articles might be viewed. IOW, Anglicans are a motley crew. And to find out what attitude any take toward them, one needs to inquire of the particular Anglican entity. Anglicans, generally (meaning, without further explication) may interpret, affirm, deny, or partially affirm or deny, the Articles. Or cut them from the Prayer Book and use them to kindle the new fire at Easter.

That being said, if you can affirm, at the appropriate degree of theological certainty, what the RCC requires to be affirmed, look to the Tiber.
All Im trying to say is I like to know what I’m getting when I attend a church. I would be veryout of place at an evangelical parish; wheras I think I could blend in easily at a Romqan Catholic one (if I were received into the church).
 
I find this one to be particularly ironic given how integral the Elizabethan Compromise was to forming Anglicanism’s unique position as the so called via media and it’s long time character as an overall denomination.

Based on what limited exposure I’ve had to the Continuing bodies and the more recent bodies I’d agree that your “purple passion” and personalities definitely play a part in it. That said, hopefully they can come together into something more cohesive if just for practicality sake since they don’t seem to have terribly much doctrinally that would separate them. Same would go for the ACNA and it’s contemporaries, though in that case it seems they’re having trouble maintaining what unity they do have unfortunately.
Proper subjects for orders are likely to strike deep at ACNA.

I’m all for coming together. Everyone form up on me.
 
All Im trying to say is I like to know what I’m getting when I attend a church. I would be veryout of place at an evangelical parish; wheras I think I could blend in easily at a Romqan Catholic one (if I were received into the church).
Nothing hindering, save a full commitment to the requisite teachings. If that is present, *nihil obstat. *

IMO.
 
All Im trying to say is I like to know what I’m getting when I attend a church. I would be veryout of place at an evangelical parish; wheras I think I could blend in easily at a Romqan Catholic one (if I were received into the church).
The transition for you will likely be rather seamless, tbh.

Anglicans already accept Apostolic succession/authority.

Biggest hurdle for me was the blessed Mother and the mandatory beliefs the Church holds about her.

But as you said, you know for a fact the Mass will always be the Mass and never turned into a protestant rock concert. And they wont budge on matters of morality. Those two reasons alone were big factors for me.

Pax
 
The Articles were formally imposed on the clergy of the CoE, not the laity, by the 1571 Parliamentary Act of Subscription. As ++Bramhall said,

“We do not hold our Thirty-nine Articles to be such necessary truths, `without which there is no salvation;’ nor enjoin ecclesiastical persons to swear unto them, but only to subscribe them, as theological truths, for the preservation of unity among us. Some of them are the very same that are contained in the Creed; some others of them are practical truths, which come not within the proper lists of points or articles to be believed; lastly, some of them are pious opinions or inferior truths which are proposed by the Church of England as not to be opposed; not as essentials of Faith necessary to be believed.”

They were the first expression of the* via media*, how Elizabeth choose to govern a fractious Church, in a fractious land, in fractious times: religion as statecraft. They are not normative for Anglicans, generally, save, for CoE clergy, in the technical sense of the Act; a sort of job description for the erastian CoE. One can contemplate the recommendations of Lambeth, 1968:

*Lambeth 1968 The Ministry - The Thirty-Nine Articles
"The Conference accepts the main conclusion of the Report of the Archbishops’ Commission on Christian Doctrine entitled ‘Subscription and Assent to the Thirty-nine Articles’ (1968) and in furtherance of its recommendation:

(a) suggests that each Church of our Communion consider whether the Articles need be bound up with its Prayer Book;

(b) suggests to the Churches of the Anglican Communion that assent to the Thirty-nine Articles be no longer required of ordinands;

(c) suggests that, when subscription is required to the Articles or other elements in the Anglican tradition, it should be required, and given, only in the context of a statement which gives the full range of our inheritance of faith and sets the Articles in their historical context."*

This passed. And following this TEC moved them into a new section of the 79 book. Historical documents.

What that recognizes is that there is not a single attitude toward the Articles throughout the Communion, but variable ones. And that should be reflected in how the Articles might be viewed. IOW, Anglicans are a motley crew. And to find out what attitude any take toward them, one needs to inquire of the particular Anglican entity. Anglicans, generally (meaning, without further explication) may interpret, affirm, deny, or partially affirm or deny, the Articles. Or cut them from the Prayer Book and use them to kindle the new fire at Easter.

That being said, if you can affirm, at the appropriate degree of theological certainty, what the RCC requires to be affirmed, look to the Tiber.
That doesnt change the fact that doing things like wearing full vestments or using unleavened host could get you brought to heresy court less than a century ago. And yet, in TEC today, a bishop can deny something as fundamental as the trinity, or even the existence of GOD, and face no consequences
 
That doesnt change the fact that doing things like wearing full vestments or using unleavened host could get you brought to heresy court less than a century ago. And yet, in TEC today, a bishop can deny something as fundamental as the trinity, or even the existence of GOD, and face no consequences
Anglicanism, in the form of the CoE, has, ab initio, displayed a spectrum of opinions, under a general umbrella of mere Christian orthodoxy. This was sharpened in the Oxford/Tractarian movement and the later Ritualist movement, which indeed led to some doctrinal trials, notably, Bishop King’s.

That was then. What is now is what disturbs me. If the history of how the Anglo-Catholic/Ritualist movements originated and how they met with opposition, to little final avail, in the CoE, is of major concern to you, I note again that the Tiber is waiting.
 
That doesnt change the fact that doing things like wearing full vestments or using unleavened host could get you brought to heresy court less than a century ago. And yet, in TEC today,** a bishop can deny something as fundamental as the trinity, or even the existence of GOD, and face no consequences**
Don’t know about that. Seems a tad hyperbolic to me, particularly the second part.
 
Don’t know about that. Seems a tad hyperbolic to me, particularly the second part.
You know of whom I speak, yes? When these individuals said “theism is false”, they ruffled a few feathers, but faced no disciplinary action
 
You know of whom I speak, yes? When these individuals said “theism is false”, they ruffled a few feathers, but faced no disciplinary action
Spong yes? As I recall he caught a large amount of flak for those statements. And continues to rightly receive the same 16 years after he retired. And while he faced no formal disciple, he also didn’t try to introduce any of his more criticized ideas officially as far as I can tell.
 
Don’t know about that. Seems a tad hyperbolic to me, particularly the second part.
You know of whom I speak, yes? When these individuals said “theism is false”, they ruffled a few feathers, but faced no disciplinary action
 
You know of whom I speak, yes? When these individuals said “theism is false”, they ruffled a few feathers, but faced no disciplinary action
Spong yes? As I recall he caught a large amount of flak for those statements. And continues to rightly receive the same 16 years after he retired. And while he faced no formal disciple, he also didn’t try to introduce any of his more criticized ideas officially as far as I can tell.
 
I find that fact hard to understand. No confirmation by a RC bishop?
no. I guess since I had already been baptized and confirmed in the Episcopal church. We had confirmations at the Easter Vigil just a week ago and there was no bishop.
 
Hopefully 7Sorrows can confirm if he converted from Anglican to Catholic along with an entire congregation converting to the Anglican Rite, or if the conversion was individual.
first of all, I am a SHE. and no, I converted as an individual. not with a whole congregation. I worked one on one with the RCIA director.
 
Proper subjects for orders are likely to strike deep at ACNA.

I’m all for coming together. Everyone form up on me.
But aren’t you the one with the heretical views on the subject of yak butter?
 
no. I guess since I had already been baptized and confirmed in the Episcopal church. We had confirmations at the Easter Vigil just a week ago and there was no bishop.
The confirmations last week were by the priest, then? But nothing similar occurred when you were received?
 
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