Any Catholic ever been out debated by a Protestant?

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MollyMac said:
There are some key issues that are disputed between Catholics and Protestants, but there is no doubt that there are Catholics and Protestants alike that believe Christ is their Saviour.
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I don’t think anyone has tried to argue that either group does not believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior.
MollyMac said:
I find these threads the most intriguing because there are a lot of misconceptions between the two groups. The “separated brethren” comment gave me quite a chuckle I must say.
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What did you find so funny about the term “separated bretheren”?
 
aprilfloyd said:
My proof for what?
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For this:
Originally Posted by aprilfloyd
Over the years I have learned that a lot of what Catholicism teaches is wrong and indefensible and we just have to accept Catholicism got it wrong.
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That’s quite a statement to make without even giving an example of what is wrong and indefensible. Would you please do so?

Thanks.
 
PRmerger said:
Indeed. The Church in the past has done an abysmal job in providing nourishing catechesis for her flock.

I remember growing up in the 70’s and 80’s and hearing the cushy, touchy-feely messages of love. That was nice to hear, but about as nourishing and fulfilling as a bag of Cheetos. 🙂

I wanted to be fed Real Food!

Thankfully, the Church is realizing this and is doing her very best to feed us with the glorious Truth!
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👍👍👍

But don’t be maligning my cheetos…🙂
 
Aprilfloyd,

It’s always great to get countering views. It’s even better when they are substantiated and discussed.

You asking what proof, when you layed out the below comment today is pretty farcical.

Nobody is banned for asking questions. If you are in search for answers, you came to the right place, ask away.

You are not the first to make random uninformed statements about a subject matter you do not know. It’s not new to any Catholic either.

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The burden of proof on you is not a game - outlandish claims requires strong evidence
The majority of people don’t believe in the Christian god. "
 
aprilfloyd said:
You could start with homophobia,
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Considering your post history, you already know of the threads where sexuality is a topic.

Do you have any comments / questions related to Catholic / Protestant debates?

Feel free to start a new thread, but just be aware of the category and be sure to try and focus it somehow around the category or it might be moved.

Happy day!
 
aprilfloyd said:
You could start with homophobia,
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Homophobia is a fear or hatred of homosexuals. This is not the case. My mom, though she isn’t now nor ever was Catholic, distinctively lent credit to Blessed John Paul II for defining the Christian perspective of gay marriage. The Pope was certain to address the issue of tolerance and respect for the human individual but also made it clear that even though one should be treated as one wishes to be treated, that the Church should not condone the act of homosexuality and that it is a disordered act. Marriage is literally the standard for sanctioning a relationship in western society. I am no more willing to embrace gay marriage than I am polygamous marriage, marital incest, or marriage with a minor with the consent of both the minor and their parents. It’s not because I hate homosexuals, it’s just simply unorthodox.

Why should society be more willing to embrace gay marriage than any of these other unconventional unions? Homosexuality is by definition a sexual deviation. It would be misleading and dishonorable to lead a homosexual to believe that they would lead a normal marital life. First of all, you can’t produce children unless you adopt, have a surrogate mother or use sperm from a sperm bank.

V + V = Scissors
P + P = Toilet Plunger or Sword-fight
V + P = Conception.

Which do you think nature (or God) intended?
This is why it’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, or Adam and Eve and Lilith and Juanna de’ Fiance, or Eve and Bethany, ect. Can you imagine if Disney cartoons embraced these unconventional unions? Alladin and Jasmine would be Alladin and Jason or something… It just… Ain’t right.
 
I recently debated (or tried) with a non-denom christain. He was more interested in spouting
weird conspiracy theories then getting into a fair minded discussion with me. I find in the
street level that most protestants have their minds made up. It is my thought most
protestants aren’t interested in debate but more interested in converting ill informed
catholics.
 
tweetiebird said:
Just curious has any catholic ever had this experience.

When you finally figure out Protestants really “disagree” with you.

I remember it was about 20 years ago. I was on my Catholic university campus,

when a friend of mine from engineering class handed me a pamphlet with all

this stuff about how the pope was evil. And how catholics didnt know how to read the bible.

It came as a shock to me. I never had heard such stuff and didnt have any arguements.

It was just a total shock to learn about such things.

I remember I kept going to mass , but I started to go to a weekly bible study with them.

They said they were non-denominational. So I would go to mass early and then go to church with them on Sunday.

I remember a lot of clapping and singing, it was hard to get used to at first.

After a couple months I was getting comfortable.

Then I overheard them gossiping really bad about a member , calling them a sinner and stuff.

Anyway, I stopped going shortly after.

Just wanted to say, if you are an unprepared catholic, the protestant arguements are

really strong.
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Nope! Because all Protestant debates have been answered and rebuked at one point in time, many times over.
 
I used to debate my wife all the time before she graciously excepted I was leaving our non denominational church for the journey back to the catholic church.

She would always get very frustrated and stormed off (over a year ago) the other day she had my four year old coloring in a Fatima coloring book. :-).

The biggest frustrations she had was
Acts 1, acts 8, acts 15, 1tim3:15, James 2,
 
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[bibledrb]2 Thessalonians 3:6[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]Matthew 28:20[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]1 Timothy 1:3[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]1 Timothy 4:6[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]Acts 2:42[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]Romans 6:17[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]Romans 16:17[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]1 Timothy 4:13[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]1 Timothy 4:16[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]1 Timothy 5:17[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]2 Timothy 3:10[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]Titus 2:1[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]2 John 9–10[/bibledrb]

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Debating is a skill and the most skilled people generally win the debate.

If you want to win a theological argument, know your Bible.

1 Thessalonians 2:13
We also constantly give thanks to God for this, that when you received the word of God that you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word but as what it really is, God’s word, which is also at work in you believers.
 
Mike_SoCal said:
Debating is a skill and the most skilled people generally win the debate.

If you want to win a theological argument, know your Bible.

1 Thessalonians 2:13
We also constantly give thanks to God for this, that when you received the word of God that you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word but as what it really is, God’s word, which is also at work in you believers.
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I give this a hearty amen!

and yet also a “not so much”.

For what often happens in those who debate theological arguments from the Bible is just a tennis match of reciprocal Bible verses, with no ultimate authority to discern whose interpretation is the correct one.
 
Mike_SoCal said:
If you want to win a theological argument, know your Bible.
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This is crux of a Biblical debate, most people protestant, catholic, non-denomination, ect don’t know the Bible.
Or if more then likely if they do know the Bible, they know just enough to justify their position but not enough to prove other positions incorrect.

But the another big problem, is that is a sola scriptura Christian were to debate a catholic, the playing field isn’t the same. Catholic put alot of “faith” in the teaching of the fathers of the catholic church, previous saint and popes, and the catechism. Its hard to debate from a BIblical POV if the person you are debating references something you something to prove his point that your don’t believe is inspired in the first place.

I have had many debates with various people of various religions about specific things and they always go back to a church tradition or a church law book.

Really for a protestant to “beat” a catholic in a debate, that protestant has to be a master of catholic tradition and teaching to show inconsistencies and inaccuracies. And really the only people that might be able to do that are Priests that convert to other denominations, which does happen by the way.

But the big thing I suggest, is don’t get mad or upset with the person you are debating, they aren’t out to get you, but more then likely just trying to learn your point of view.
You also can’t approach it as a conversion chance, just as a friendly discussion.
 
solarguy17 said:
This is crux of a Biblical debate, most people protestant, catholic, non-denomination, ect don’t know the Bible.
Or if more then likely if they do know the Bible, they know just enough to justify their position but not enough to prove other positions incorrect.

But the another big problem, is that is a sola scriptura Christian were to debate a catholic, the playing field isn’t the same. Catholic put alot of “faith” in the teaching of the fathers of the catholic church, previous saint and popes, and the catechism. Its hard to debate from a BIblical POV if the person you are debating references something you something to prove his point that your don’t believe is inspired in the first place.

I have had many debates with various people of various religions about specific things and they always go back to a church tradition or a church law book.

Really for a protestant to “beat” a catholic in a debate, that protestant has to be a master of catholic tradition and teaching to show inconsistencies and inaccuracies. And really the only people that might be able to do that are Priests that convert to other denominations, which does happen by the way.

But the big thing I suggest, is don’t get mad or upset with the person you are debating, they aren’t out to get you, but more then likely just trying to learn your point of view.
You also can’t approach it as a conversion chance, just as a friendly discussion.
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Kindly tells us the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in regards to Catholicism? A priest who converts to another faith doe not equate into an expert. That is a bogus assumption.
 
solarguy17 said:
But the another big problem, is that is a sola scriptura Christian were to debate a catholic, the playing field isn’t the same. Catholic put alot of “faith” in the teaching of the fathers of the catholic church, previous saint and popes, and the catechism.
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You do realize, solarguy, that you, too put “faith” in the teaching of the fathers of the Catholic Church. You show that faith each and every time you quote from the NT, proclaiming that verse to be the Word of God.

For the ONLY way you know that, say, 1 Timothy is an inspired book, and that the Shepherd of Barnabas is not inspired, is because the Catholic Church told you it was inspired.
 
solarguy17 said:
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But the another big problem, is that is a sola scriptura Christian were to debate a catholic, the playing field isn’t the same. Catholic put alot of “faith” in the teaching of the fathers of the catholic church, previous saint and popes, and the catechism. Its hard to debate from a BIblical POV if the person you are debating references something you something to prove his point that your don’t believe is inspired in the first place.
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A Catholic can debate a non-Catholic Christian straight from the Bible.

Get the book:

The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith by John Salza.

It covers all the major issues from the Bible alone.

The Catholic Church did not come from the Bible. The Bible (the New Testament was written by the first Catholics) came from the Catholic Church. The Church was here first for hundreds of years before the Bible was canonized.
 
Miriam1947 said:
A Catholic can debate a non-Catholic Christian straight from the Bible.

Get the book:

The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith by John Salza.

It covers all the major issues from the Bible alone.

The Catholic Church did not come from the Bible. The Bible (the New Testament was written by the first Catholics) came from the Catholic Church. The Church was here first for hundreds of years before the Bible was canonized.
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It seems if a Catholic tries to debate Protestants through Scripture alone, then a Catholic is no longer holding to the Catholic Faith as revealed through Sacred Scripture + Sacred Tradition + Magestrium = Catholic Faith. 🤷
 
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