Any Catholic nations left where abortion is illegal?

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Abortion was illegal in the DR. In recent years the Protestant president pushed through legislation allowing abortion in extreme cases such as rape, etc. The then Cardinal Archbishop strongly opposed it, but his eminence no longer has the political sway he once did.
 
this is a very informative post; a lot to think about

thank you for taking the time to post this…
 
God bless the Philippines! Now…if they were just as strict with corruption…. 😉
 
There are some lay Vatican State Officials and the Swiss Guard are all lay men, many are married.
 
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God bless the Philippines! Now…if they were just as strict with corruption….
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I don’t think the current President, Mr. Duterte is really corrupt, he’s just a bit of an outsider and the establishment really doesn’t respect him. In the Philippines, from my understanding, everything outside of Luzon is the boonies, the sticks, what we would call “flyover country” here. And that is where Duterte is from.

Opinion polls show the Philippine President is popular with the voters, although he said he is ready to step down if he can get Bong Bong Marcos installed as Vice President to succeed him
 
But do the Swiss Guards, if married, live with their wives in the barracks?
 
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In the Philippines, from my understanding, everything outside of Luzon is the boonies, the sticks, what we would call “flyover country” here.
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So instead of “Middle America” we have “Middle Philippines” or more accurate the common soul of the Philippines (outside the major tourist spots).
 
Yes they do.

Married Swiss Guards have their own apartment in the Vatican.

I saw a documentary on EWTN several years back about the wife of a Swiss Guard. They did live in the Vatican.
 
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What is the punishment for abortions/stillbirths/miscarriages, does anyone know? In El Salvador, many women are sent to prison for any of the above. It must be terribly difficult for them. What happens in other countries, because you know being illegal does not mean it does not happen.
 
Sorry, I was thinking “Uganda” while typing “Africa”. I don’t know about the other African countries, but I have a friend in Uganda who say’s it’s still illegal except for the life of the mother
 
The Philippines is not only Manila, contrary to what tourists may think. 🙂

And corruption is not with the president (although his shoot now and ask questions later policy is not high on my “things good people do” list). Corruption is ingrained in the public service system, it cannot be weeded out anymore, its a way of life.
 
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abortions/stillbirths/miscarriages …In El Salvador, many women are sent to prison for any of the above.
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I believe they are only punished for abortions, not the other things. There have been instances where someone convicted of abortion has claimed it was an unintentional miscarriage. Just like with every other crime, I don’t doubt that there are some erroneous convictions (it’s the nature of human fallibility). If anything, that is an argument for improved forensic analysis and trial process, not the legalization of abortion, for which certain abortion-interest groups use it as a pretext.
 
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Unfortunately, the stories your provided don’t give much detail. The first one doesn’t even say what the theory of the prosecution was–in fact, the woman released did not seem to make a claim that innocent women shouldn’t be locked up, but that abortion should be legal. It also says there are no statistics on how many are prosecuted for innocent miscarriages.

The second one says the court convicted the person believing evidence that she deliberated killed the child by throwing the baby in the toilet. She claims she didn’t. There’s not much other detail given.

Again, my point still stands–if reform is needed, it is a better process for proving guilt and protecting the innocent.
 
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Since the same kangaroos are sitting court for all crimes in these countries, it seems the appropriate reforms these international pressure groups should be focused on are the judicial process, not on the abolition of crime.

For example, if that individual in the second story actually did what the court convicted her of, then she should receive a just punishment for the infanticide she committed. That shouldn’t be tolerated or, even worse, proclaimed as a right. If she simply innocently miscarried–or it cannot be proven otherwise–then she should not be punished (there are other possibilities too, like criminal negligence, etc. and certain equitable factors should be taken into account when sentencing for any conviction).

(Just to note, I am taking the premise that these are indeed “kangaroo courts” as given for the sake of argument, but I really can’t make that judgment one way or the other from the limited knowledge I have).
 
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There are several countries right now where abortion is illegal.

Do any of them have all women of childbearing years under house arrest?
 
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