Any Catholics here former Anglicans?

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The government involves mostly the rich esp the vestry and the Sr Warden in the church I belonged to was the richest man in town, who mostly funded the building of the chruch with his own funds.
I wonder whether this might be another case of the Anglican/Episcopalian range, given the difference between your experience and Izdaari’s or mine.

My church is in a rich neighbourhood, and there are some very flash cars in the carpark, but many of us come from farther afield, and so the congregation vary widely in age, wealth, and ethnicity. The considerable proportion who are retired clergy are most definitely not rich, and I am a teacher, which means that I will never be so!

The church councils are composed of the willing and the able, and their diversity, including socio-economic diversity, is carefully maintained so that they can remain representative of the congregation.
 
Hard to say in words!

Yours in Christ

Terry
That is my basic answer too, but I will try!

My childhood was spent in High Church Anglicanism (but not Anglo-Catholic), then I left for several years in my teens, and returned after a powerful conversion experience. I am always grateful to Protestantism for this experience, and acknowledge that this was how I came to know Christ.

After my conversion experience I took my faith very seriously and started practising Anglicanism and also attended other Protestant services, particularly charismatic ones. This was the early '80’s.

I was somewhat a “blank page”, with few preconceptions, other than of a strong love of Christ and a wanting to “belong” somewhere. At first, it never occurred to me that something as institutional as the Catholic Church could have any relevance to my quest for belonging and for Truth.

While I was looking around I was reading the Bible steadily, and learning doctrine from my friends and pastors. The second part, ie. learning doctrine, started to become unsettling as I found that different denominations, and every individual within a denomination, had their own versions of Christianity, which were all equally credible and sincere in some ways, but equally non-compelling in others. I saw myself spending a lifetime just working out the basics! At the same time, as I was reading the Bible I kept noticing passages which seemed to point to Catholicism.

Things I read which pointed to Catholicism included: authority in the Church, the visible church, celibacy, the demand for perfection in heart and works, the position of Mary, sacraments, relics. Seriously, each of these things was apparent to me just from reading a passage and considering it on my own. For instance, a passage such as Acts 19:11-12 or Acts 5:12–16 would seem to be pointing to relics in Catholicism, while having no meaning elsewhere.

I also became conscious of the style of the New Testament which seemed to be accidental and to make no attempt to be a comprehensive and consistent statement of belief and practice. It was as if Jesus passed on an oral tradition, primarily, and so did the apostles.

There was one passage, above all others, which rang in my heart. No, it wasn’t Matt 16:18! It was 1 John 4:2
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
This just astounded me. I saw that the Catholic Church, in its teachings, its practices, and, most of all, in it’s very existence, acknowledged “Jesus Christ come in the flesh” in a deeper and more fundamental way than Protestantism. The things which Protestants deny, such as sacraments, the visible Church, saints, relics, etc, were the very things which most emphasised the nature of Christ.

So, for me it was a movement of the heart, driven by a Biblical understanding of the nature of the Church.

It was less than a year from when I first started thinking “Maybe the Catholics aren’t all wrong”, till being received into the Church.

I very much miss my Anglican fellowship, and the music, but, after 30 years, there has never been a moment of serious regret or doubt.

My story was similar to Evangelical Convert: Renée Lin who found herself confronted by several Bible passages, over a few years. Some of her passages were the same as mine, and others not.

Best wishes,

Edmundus
 
That does sound strange. For us, the parish and its priest are typically presumed to be the primary authority in the initial stage of that process, because the bishop is unlikely to know an individual candidate well enough yet.
Then your diocese is too big:D.

The bishop is supposed to be the chief pastor of the Church in a particular place, is he not?

It’s my experience that parish committees are very slow to reject “one of their own.” You need a check on this–that’s why you have the bishop and a diocesan discernment committee.

Edwin
 
Shortly after that, I became Catholic, largely because I got engaged, and my fiancee (now my wife) was adamant about remaining Catholic, and I did not want for us not to be able to receive Holy Communion together.
My situation is the reverse in that respect, which is one of the reasons I have not become Catholic sooner. If my wife would go with me I’d have done it years ago.

As it stands, I went back to RCIA this past week. I still have a lot of misgivings, but I can’t get rid of the conviction that I ought to be Catholic so I may just have to put up with the family disruption.

Edwin
 
I wouldn’t know about Episcopalians in rich neighborhoods. Mine is a growing start-up church in a diverse middle-class, kinda hippie-ish neighborhood. We are 10 years old, from house church, then storefront beginnings, and we now have an actual church building. We have an average Sunday attendance of about 100, and an average age of 27.
My ex parish is very different from that. It is about 70 years old, and located in a run-down urban area., with high fences and locked most of the time. The only simularity is there is a Swedish Lutheran deacon. It has shrunken badly with most of the members moved away or in the columbarium which is full.

There were some young families, gays and minorities but they have left as well. The newer Rector has driven many away, he was from a fundamentalist denomination and had/has a lot of issues.

I think a whopping big endowment is about the only thing that keeps them going since the number of pledges has gone way down. There may be 40 ppl present on a good sunday.

I was confirmed in a small mission in a farming community, now the diocese has closed nearly all the small missions. Last time I was there the church had been sold to a Latino Pentecostal group, sad really.
 
My ex parish is very different from that. It is about 70 years old, and located in a run-down urban area., with high fences and locked most of the time. The only simularity is there is a Swedish Lutheran deacon. It has shrunken badly with most of the members moved away or in the columbarium which is full.

There were some young families, gays and minorities but they have left as well. The newer Rector has driven many away, he was from a fundamentalist denomination and had/has a lot of issues.

I think a whopping big endowment is about the only thing that keeps them going since the number of pledges has gone way down. There may be 40 ppl present on a good sunday.

I was confirmed in a small mission in a farming community, now the diocese has closed nearly all the small missions. Last time I was there the church had been sold to a Latino Pentecostal group, sad really.
I’m sorry to hear that, it’s a sad story. :hug1:
 
Then your diocese is too big:D.

The bishop is supposed to be the chief pastor of the Church in a particular place, is he not?
It is too big, and I am concerned by how much work our bishop does running around it. I have just been looking, and you must have the smallest dioceses in the Communion. The CofE, for example, has six times as many people as the Episcopal Church in the USA, but fewer than half the number of dioceses. Your bishops can thus get to know individuals in parishes far better.
 
I was a lapsed Catholic-become-Evangelical, endeavoring (unsuccessfully) to transform an internet ministry into a “brick-and-mortar” ministry, when I walked into the (Episcopa) Christ Church Cathedral in downtown St. Louis. Utterly blown-away by the architecture. Attended both contemporary and traditional services and rediscovered a hunger for good liturgy. Grieved that ECUSA (now TEC) is such a theological wasteland, till I found some traditionalist Episcopalian congregations struggling mightily. Loved all of this–but quickly realized that even among “orthodox” Anglicans, where any three are gathered, there will be at least four opinions on even fairly essential theological issues. Knew that this was NOT the unity of faith Christ intends. In fact, it was partly the theological vagueness of post VII Catholicism which had pulled me away decades before. With the RCC under JPII and B-16 solidifying the murkiness of the 60’s/70’s–I came home.
 
I come from a British family with parents who are baptized in the Church of England. They are no longer practicing but when I was 19 I read the whole bible and started going to church, an Anglican church in Sydney.
I just noticed that I disagreed with some of their beliefs such as no one can have visions from God (I believed that many saints have) and any images of Jesus are forbidden.

My women’s minister used to have regular meetings with me and tell me that Catholics were going to hell and so were many people in our church because they didn’t read the bible enough, then I was told we are saved by faith alone which didn’t make sense after what she just said.

I’m also aware that ‘Sydney Anglicans’ are different from the Anglicans in England and in other countries. Even churches around Australia differ in beliefs. It was confusing, some seemed corrupt. It was like, that every individual church can change the rules or interpretation of the bible depending on who the minister/priest is.
I’ve heard also many Anglicans believe in ‘soul sleep’ and that there is no soul or heaven/hell. Definitely don’t agree with that one.

Anyway, I left about a month or two ago now and am researching Catholicism. I agree with the teachings and have seemed to have found my new church. My local parish does not start RCIA until next year though, but I’m planning on going along to Mass soon if I can. 🙂
 
It is too big, and I am concerned by how much work our bishop does running around it. I have just been looking, and you must have the smallest dioceses in the Communion. The CofE, for example, has six times as many people as the Episcopal Church in the USA, but fewer than half the number of dioceses. Your bishops can thus get to know individuals in parishes far better.
Yes, and my diocese is one of the smallest in TEC. We’re really spoiled, especially since we have an excellent bishop (Ed Little). Bishop Little is one of the reasons I’ve stayed Episcopalian so long. He’s one of the humblest, most charitable people I know and he’s doing a valiant job to behave like a Christian in the middle of a mess. . . .
 
I’m a former Anglican and I’m becoming Catholic. If anyone is a former Anglican themselves, what made you convert?
I’m a former Anglican but I didn’t become Catholic.

I didn’t convert from the Anglican Church though, I pretty much just left the Anglican Church and converted later. I left because of the prevalence of modernism and a lack of any true connection with the historic Church. The lack of any true doctrine was another big factor. When clergy can openly question the divinity of Christ, you’ve got problems that are beyond hope.
 
I come from a British family with parents who are baptized in the Church of England. They are no longer practicing but when I was 19 I read the whole bible and started going to church, an Anglican church in Sydney.
I just noticed that I disagreed with some of their beliefs such as no one can have visions from God (I believed that many saints have) and any images of Jesus are forbidden.

My women’s minister used to have regular meetings with me and tell me that Catholics were going to hell and so were many people in our church because they didn’t read the bible enough, then I was told we are saved by faith alone which didn’t make sense after what she just said.

I’m also aware that ‘Sydney Anglicans’ are different from the Anglicans in England and in other countries. Even churches around Australia differ in beliefs. It was confusing, some seemed corrupt. It was like, that every individual church can change the rules or interpretation of the bible depending on who the minister/priest is.
I’ve heard also many Anglicans believe in ‘soul sleep’ and that there is no soul or heaven/hell. Definitely don’t agree with that one.

Anyway, I left about a month or two ago now and am researching Catholicism. I agree with the teachings and have seemed to have found my new church. My local parish does not start RCIA until next year though, but I’m planning on going along to Mass soon if I can. 🙂
Thanks for sharing a bit of your story, Gemma - it was interesting to read, and I can relate to your experiences and thoughts.

Having spoken to, and read, many Catholic converts I have found that while they have much in common, each also has a personal element - some point at which God’s speaks to the individual heart through the Church.

We sometimes hear of people leaving the Catholic Church because “I read the Bible for myself” (such people were usually not well educated in the Catholic faith in the first place), but there are also others, such as myself, who entered the Church just for that reason.

Best wishes for your attendance at Mass!

Oh, and greetings from Adelaide 🙂

~ Edmundus
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I come from a British family with parents who are baptized in the Church of England. They are no longer practicing but when I was 19 I read the whole bible and started going to church, an Anglican church in Sydney.
I just noticed that I disagreed with some of their beliefs such as no one can have visions from God (I believed that many saints have) and any images of Jesus are forbidden.

My women’s minister used to have regular meetings with me and tell me that Catholics were going to hell and so were many people in our church because they didn’t read the bible enough, then I was told we are saved by faith alone which didn’t make sense after what she just said.

I’m also aware that ‘Sydney Anglicans’ are different from the Anglicans in England and in other countries. Even churches around Australia differ in beliefs. It was confusing, some seemed corrupt. It was like, that every individual church can change the rules or interpretation of the bible depending on who the minister/priest is.
I’ve heard also many Anglicans believe in ‘soul sleep’ and that there is no soul or heaven/hell. Definitely don’t agree with that one.

Anyway, I left about a month or two ago now and am researching Catholicism. I agree with the teachings and have seemed to have found my new church. My local parish does not start RCIA until next year though, but I’m planning on going along to Mass soon if I can. 🙂
Gemma, I am sure you are aware of Anglican comprehesifness (SP). Queen Elisabeth I was trying to keep the whole nation in one church, so she allowed all from highchurchmen to puritans in her church. It did not work since the puritans rebelled, murdered the king Charles I, made the prayer book and episcopacy illegal. Charles II restored the monarchy and the comprehensive nature of the CofE.

Australia has to be the lowest church part of the Anglican communion, I don’t know how it ended up, but several years ago they were proposing that lay-people celebrate the Eucharist. I heard they don’t even have altars in their churches just tables on wheels they cart in 4 times a year for the “Lord’s Supper”.

You were wise to leave.
 
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Izdaari:
Episcopalian and staying there. However, I am also Lutheran (ELCA), as my parish (unusually) has both affiliations. Either one works for me.
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I’m aware of the issue but I don’t particularly care about it. I came to these traditions from more emphatically Protestant ones (Baptist, then trinitarian Pentecostal), and Apostolic Succession is a new concept to me. I don’t reject it, but I’m still trying to wrap my mind around it.

That the TEC and ELCA have a full communion agreement, and that the leadership of both agree that the clergy of each may preside in a church of the other is good enough for me.
 
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How do TEC & ELCA resolve the issue of Apostolic Succession? TEC claims to follow the above; ELCA does not. How then can a Lutheran minister celebrate the Eucharist in an Episcopal parish?
Not all Episcopalians hold that apostolic succession is necessary for the existence of the Church–in fact most probably don’t. Those who do opposed the union, especially after it was altered to reflect Lutheran concerns. The deal was/is that bishops from both churches would be part of all future consecrations, so that eventually all clergy in the ELCA would have apostolic succession (assuming that we do).

Edwin
 
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Now days ELCA Lutherans have bishops, consecrated by Scandnavian Lutherans who kept their bishops all along, and Episcopal bishops.

While Episcopal and Swedish Lutheran orders have been pronouced by the Vatican to be invalid, still they do have bishops in what they consider to be apostolic succesion.
 
In the interest of full disclosure, the Concordat was part of my reason for leaving TEC. A
 
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