GKC is probably right. He usually is. To jump from that to an assertion that the charges against both were trumped up is not logical. Of course the charges may have been trumped up. It was the 16th Century. Kings tended to get their own way.
Either way, if the annulments were fixed and the outcome determined, why bother with the executions/arrests?
I’m always baffled when some Roman Catholics want to go down the road of judging the character of King Henry VIII or any other leader, theologian, or whatever else. If we are to judge Anglicanism by the morality of Henry, then perhaps we should talk about the behavior, actions, and morality of some of the popes??? Some of the renaissance popes make Henry look like a choir boy.
Read GKC above. Two were annulled, two executed for treason, two survived the king.
That’s wrong. Two annulled, one died, two executed for treason, one survived as Henry’s widow.
The charge of treason, in committing adultery. Anne Boleyn’s and Henry’s marriage was declared null by Cranmer two days before her execution, on the grounds of an impediment of affinity arising from Henry’s prior dalliance with Anne’s sister Mary.
"Archbishop Cranmer declared Henry’s first marriage null. He had no power to do so, but on the day that he was made Archbishop of Canterbury he made a private oath not to submit to the authority of the pope. Anne was crowned queen. Pope Clement finally condemned the divorce. "*
I don’t believe it is so much of a discussion of a moral issue, though yes morally the things he did were wrong, but how the moral issues of Henry VIII caused the separation of England from Catholicism.I’m always baffled when some Roman Catholics want to go down the road of judging the character of King Henry VIII or any other leader, theologian, or whatever else. If we are to judge Anglicanism by the morality of Henry, then perhaps we should talk about the behavior, actions, and morality of some of the popes??? Some of the renaissance popes make Henry look like a choir boy.
Catherine was a randy individual. Her case was far stronger than the one agaisnt Anne. But Henry wanted Anne dead. Dead she was.
Folks who lived in the 16th century often acted like folks living in the 16th century, in their respective offices and roles. People are people, and were then. too.I’m always baffled when some Roman Catholics want to go down the road of judging the character of King Henry VIII or any other leader, theologian, or whatever else. If we are to judge Anglicanism by the morality of Henry, then perhaps we should talk about the behavior, actions, and morality of some of the popes??? Some of the renaissance popes make Henry look like a choir boy.
We are discussing the once “defender of the faith”, so not just the same as Pope Rodrigo Borgia.I’m always baffled when some Roman Catholics want to go down the road of judging the character of King Henry VIII or any other leader, theologian, or whatever else. If we are to judge Anglicanism by the morality of Henry, then perhaps we should talk about the behavior, actions, and morality of some of the popes??? Some of the renaissance popes make Henry look like a choir boy.
Just how Henry got the* Defensor Fidei * is a fascinating tidbit (lots of history is). I’ve posted it here often.
The Catholic Church recognizes the difference between a marriage that never validly happened, and a valid marriage that people seek to dissolve, to enact a new one. In some places, government authorities also recognize the distinction - it’s not just a religious thing. Protestant groups once accepted anullment, but not divorce. Over the years, Protestant groups accepted a position similar to the secular society on divorce. The RCC has held to the same, core Christian standard. Ironically, the RCC holds Protestant marriages in higher regard than the Protestant churches that performed them. They are indissoluble in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
And even more ironically, had C.S. Lewis been a RC, when he was faced with marrying Joy Davidman, the process of seeking a decree of nullity with respect to Joy’s marriage to William Gresham, he would have had a road to take, based on Gresham’s preexisting marriage to another, when he wed her. The CoE, 60 years ago, had no such path for him to take.
Good point.
Missed this.
So polluting the air and water God gave us, thus poisoning the lives of our brothers and sisters around the world and those to come after us, is not a grave sin?
I apologize if these links are not from a Catholic website, but here goes:
fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/03/10/lesbian-episcopal-priest-calls-abortion-a-blessing/
blog.adw.org/2013/04/total-loss-file-a-prominent-episcopal-leader-denies-the-need-for-the-bodily-resurrection-of-jesus/
virtueonline.org/pennsylvania-parish-priests-practice-pagan-eucharistic-ceremony
Episcopal Church, all are welcome.