any episcopalians on here?

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I’m a cradle Episcopalian.

I’ll be happy to answer any questions you have the best I can.
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
no. my other issue is the forced participation of church in the RCC as well as parts of the RCC’s natural law, particularly masturbation.
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Forced participation? Do you mean having to go to Mass every Sunday? TEC canons state that people should attend church every Sunday/on a regular basis, as well as keep the Sabbath holy. (I’m paraphrasing).

Have you looked at the TEC’s canons?
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
but they don’t make it a mortal sin to miss church.
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Yes, but you would still be committing a mortal sin by missing Mass. And on top of that, even when you went ti an Episcopal service, you’d be committing a mortal sin!

Think about what Christ did for you: His suffering and His death on the cross. He did that so that *you *could be with Him in Heaven. And you want to say, No, thanks, I want to keep masterbating, sleep in on Sundays, and not look weird to my friends by disagreeing with them on the issue of homosexual activity.

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i don’t believe in the church’s homosexual thing anymore. it’s hateful, not all homosexual acts are wrong.
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
i don’t believe in the church’s homosexual thing anymore. it’s hateful, not all homosexual acts are wrong.
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Prayers for your discernment. May God keep you in his Catholic Church. This is the Church founded by Christ.

God bless,
Mary.
 
Going to a group which has chosen to not call sin, sin, does not make the sinful act less sinful. It just allows a person to remain in their sin without the temporal feelings of guilt. (They’ll still suffer the consequences of their actions though).

Good luck on your journey.
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
i don’t believe in the church’s homosexual thing anymore. it’s hateful, not all homosexual acts are wrong.
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I know I live in a small country town and don’t get out much with a 18 month old but just how many kinds of homosexual acts are there?

Which homosexual ‘acts’ do you consider ‘right’ and which ‘acts’ do you consider ‘wrong’?

All non-married Catholics, heterosexual and homosexual are required by the Church to abstain from sexual activity.

I pray you find your way Sean. :signofcross:
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
i don’t believe in the church’s homosexual thing anymore. it’s hateful, not all homosexual acts are wrong.
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Well, you can believe what you want. People sometimes believe wrong ideas. The reason is easy: because we are all fallible, our opinions, reasonings, etc, can be fallible. The consideration is: I don’t believe this, but that thing that I don’t believe is correct or only my fallible interpretation…

I’ve masturbated many times and I’ve sometimes thought it is a natural act and not a sin. In fact many people, sexologists included, says is good. But I’ve always want to know what is the correct, in spite of my reasonings, my personal intellect or the opinions of many people. My consciousness always pushes me to know what is the incorruptible truth no matter what. I know my opinions are fallible because I’m fallible but I know Church teachings are infallible not because the Church says that but because Christ wanted His Church were in any time, on earth and in heaven infallible:

“When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth” (John 16:13)
“He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” (Luke 10:16)
*“And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” * (Matthew 16:18-19)

I can make my personal interpretation and can fool myself thinking: well, the Bible doesn’t say homosexuality is not bad, to masturbate is not bad, to fornicate is not bad etc… Paul advise us in 1Cor 6:9-20. He says: “Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I therefore take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never” Homosexuality, to masturbate, to fornicate and many other things are bad if I believe in God’s Word.

But some Churches today says that these things are not bad when 100 years ago defended exactly the opposite. So perhaps the Catholic Church is wrong .How can I know what Church has the correct interpretation of Scriptures and the correct teachings? Because the true Church of Christ is the Church that teaches without errors, its teachings bind here on earth and in heaven, in spite the public, general opinions. The opinions of sexologists don’t bind nothing, my personal beliefs don’t bind nothing and the teachings of many Churches don’t bind nothing
 
@ Jason firestone. …

This is interesting, I sometimes wonder about how the Hebrew scriptures are interpreted, what certain words actually mean etc.

Thanks.
 
Disagreeing with someone’s lifestyle doesn’t automatically mean you ‘hate’ that person. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Some people have a alcoholic brother or promiscuous sisters whose lifestyles they disagree with but that doesn’t mean they don’t care for or no longer love them. The person who counsels and attempts to help an errant loved one does so out of a place of love and concern.

Catholics are called to be compassionate and loving towards our gay brothers and sisters.
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
well, i’m not gay but the bible does have instances of gay relationships on a positive note. for example, daniel and darius, the two angels at sodom and gomorrah.
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Darius was a king who tried to put Daniel to death by throwing him into a den of lions.

Could you mean David and Jonathan? Quite frankly, the evidence for their having acted inappropriate is nil, and is proposed by some with a very strong bias and desire to justify their own actions. They kissed–yes, because that is what is done in the Middle East. Just because *we *don’t do that except under certain circumstances doesn’t mean that when they do it it means the same thing.

As to the angels… what on earth…?
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Disagreeing with someone’s lifestyle doesn’t automatically mean you ‘hate’ that person. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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This is a very important point, and one that is going to have to be fought hard in the near future. Those against homosexual acts are now labeled with a medical mental illness (homophobia) and called bigots. This is dangerous because it will cause a lot of the western population to become disenfranchised with society.

And to the OP, the Episcopal Church is turning its back on scripture and tradition; I’d be very careful in assessing the situation, and see if they are putting themselves or Christ first in their actions. God Bless.
 
Guilt.

The gift from God that lets us know we have a friend.

To fix it is to ask for forgiveness and effort to do right. (and as humans, repeat often)

To ignore it and let it go cold - is to separate from who we harm. Which makes a statement about who is not our friend(s) by our choice.
 
but here’s the thing: the church wasn’t founded by christ, but by peter, and who knows what christ REALLY meant by “upon this rock i will build my church”?
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
but here’s the thing: the church wasn’t founded by christ, but by peter, and who knows what christ REALLY meant by “upon this rock i will build my church”?
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So what do you think it means then? How can you say Christ didn’t start the church when it’s His own words and spirit that told Peter to do so? I’m thinking you have a lot doubt(s)
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
but here’s the thing: the church wasn’t founded by christ, but by peter, and who knows what christ REALLY meant by “upon this rock i will build my church”?
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Can you support this claim? If you don’t believe the Church was founded by Jesus then any other topic (homosexuality, etc) is peccata minuta. If I didn’t believe that Jesus founded His Church, the episcopalian church or any other church would be irrelevant for me for the same reason. Do you believe that Jesus founded the Episcopalian Church? Was Peter?
 
we don’t know what Christ meant, to tell you the truth. and i was asking if there were any episcopalians on here, so jump on this thread if you aren’t.
 
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